‘White culture’ dies if women are ‘outside the home not having babies’

[marmar]

A Florida state House subcommittee heard testimony on Monday that the “white culture” would be destroyed if white women were “outside the home not having babies” while other ethnicities had a higher birthrate.

During a House Criminal Justice Subcommittee meeting on Monday, lawmakers discussed HB 865, a bill that would ban all abortions except in cases where the health of the mother was at risk.

Republican Rep. Charles Van Zant, who sponsored the bill, argued that life began at conception, and that even zygotes were “citizens of Florida.”

While testifying about the bill, an anti-abortion activist named Paul injected race into the discussion.

“We see the destruction we’re bringing upon ourself as a nation,” Paul opined. “The Muslims, they don’t kill the babies.”

Paul noted that “white people” did not “live on an Island,” and that “the Mexicans” would propagate faster because they did not practice abortions. .............(more)

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/fl-anti-abortion-hearing-turns-racist-white-culture-dies-if-women-are-outside-the-home-not-having-babies/

[daleanime]

1. Scumbag...

[Orrex]

2. Well it's about damn time.

To hell with white culture! Bring it on, women!

[sibelian]

3. Oh my GOD.

Uggggh. THINK STRAIGHT, FFS.

[sinkingfeeling]

4. I will bet $1 million that Van Zant can't tell the human

zygote from that of a pig zygote.

[niyad]

7. pretty sure you are correct.

[KamaAina]

15. I will bet $1 million that Van Zant developed from a pig zygote.

[3catwoman3]

30. Hey! Pigs are supposed to be...

...pretty smart. That's more than we can say for this miscreant.

If he is a representative of white culture, I say, "Bring it on." (In the interest of transparency, I am as melanin deficient as it is possible to be without being albino.)

[hifiguy]

41. More likely a naked mole rat.

That is one U-G-L-Y critter.

[KamaAina]

48. ROFLMAO!!

Are they related to Louisiana's nutria?

[SMC22307]

50. He looks like his smiling, but he still needs a blankie or a little sweater. (n/t)

[phantom power]

5. If American political discourse isn't the goddamned dumbest in the world, it's on the short list.

[niyad]

6. you woman-hating gestational slaving pos. at least you are openly admitting that the only

purpose women serve is as brood mares.

these haters are so emboldened by the endless number of anti-choice pieces of legislation they have promulgated that they don't even bother to dress it up anymore.

[jeff47]

8. I eagerly await their ban on IVF, since that inherently creates embryos that will be destroyed.

Any time now.

Any time.

Here it comes.

Any time....

[Person 2713]

52. I think the Catholic Church already checked in on that long time ago

http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/1774/church_teaching_on_in_vitro_fertilization.aspx
And in my opinion they at least are being consistent about embryos
Worse hypocrite thing ever- anti abortion protestors who have conceived Ivf . Sorry but my opinion
I am very pro choice but if you are going to condemn one then why not the other? Class that is why IMO

[Iggo]

9. Well, if that's White Culture...

[leftyladyfrommo]

20. It's not just white culture. nt

[Iggo]

22. Yeah, but that's what the bigoted racist asshole who's being quoted is talking about. (n/t)

[SheilaT]

10. This fear-pandering to whites

has been around for at least sixty years. I recall as a child, in the 1950's, being told that Blacks were outbreeding whites and that in some near future there would be more of them than of us.

[SammyWinstonJack]

11. Remind me, what century is this....

[niyad]

12. 16th

[TBF]

13. And Margaret Atwood thought she was writing fiction ...

except she's really smart so I think she was just seeing things with clarity before others.

The Handmaid's Tale has long been one of my favorites: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid's_Tale.

[haele]

14. Really, every zygot is a citizen of Florida?

Legal purposes - what happens if the zygot doesn't "take" and gets flushed out with during a normal menses cycle? Are there going to be "tampon police" for sexually active women? Is that manslaughter if it happens?
What about birth control or hormonal therapies? In effect, everything but barrier protection or the rhythm method is being banned. Will women at least be able to take the pill if they're suffering from acute menses or other hormonal issues, or are they just going to have to suffer because - Eve or something?

Do all the females in the state go through monthly fertility checks as soon as they hit puberty, and the state assign a case worker to every woman who's late on her period to ensure the safety and wellbeing of every zygot?

Also, there's tax purposes - can a woman claim the period of pregnancy as an additional dependent the year prior?
Which brings up, what happens if there's an issue and the fetus isn't viable? If it isn't born, does that mean the woman owes for the period of time she was pregnant, or can she claim the time up to when it was deemed to be unviable?

What about a false pregnancies?

Are we in f'n late 20th century Romania? Is Van Zant related to Cecescu?

And finally, who's going to pay for all of this nonsense? Certainly not the state of Florida, nor any of the right wing "charities" with their emergency pregnancy clinics.

Haele

[ProfessorGAC]

58. Are They Paying Taxes?

If not, then using republican logic, they're freeloaders.

[dembotoz]

16. amazed that they do not even hide the racist bs anymore

well actually i am not amazed

[Laffy Kat]

32. Not only racist...

Radically misogynist as well. Jesus H. Christ.

[pampango]

17. Insert "Muslim" for "White" and his statement would work in Raqqa, Syria.

The far-right has scarily similar views on women's issues even while they differ on others.

[surrealAmerican]

18. It is useful to hear them say this publicly.

They are against abortion because they are racists.

[leftyladyfrommo]

19. Good Lord!

The crazies have taken over the asylum.

This is stuff is really scary to me as a woman. These guys really aren't all that different from the men in places like Saudi Arabia. Only they are in Florida.

I'm beginning to think that women should be really afraid if men. It feels like their is a real undercurrent of male hostility that is rising all over the country.

[Initech]

21. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... racism is dead in America. Don't you get it?

[leftyladyfrommo]

23. If that's what white culture is then it needs to die. nt

[safeinOhio]

24. He really needs to define his terms better.

He is really talking about Southern, Bible Belt, Southern Baptist, inbred white culture. Not Western European, educated white culture.

My prayer for him, may all of your grandchildren be gay, happy and have a lovely bronze skin tone.

[raccoon]

25. I heard this sort of BS in a local Methodist church. Some woman was saying as somebody told her

the percentages of babies of different ethnicities born at a local hospital system.

I guess I don't need to tell you I never went back there.

[Agnosticsherbet]

26. Next time he needs to clean his Petri Dish.

[gratuitous]

27. So, Rep. Van Zant wants to raise wages?

You know, so that one person's take-home pay will be enough to sustain a spouse, the kids, and buy a new car every couple of years? Like back in the 1950s and 1960s when labor unions were at their peak?

I guess the poser for Van Zant is to figure out how to craft a law so that only white people get paid more.

[johnlucas]

33. That's what it's always been about. White Supremacy

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I'm glad they're finally saying it in the open right now.
All that talk about "welfare queens" was used to demonize Black women who make Black babies.
Then also Hispanic women & whoever else they wanted to equate with the Blacks.

The truth is the REAL "welfare queen" is a White woman who might live in Utah or somewhere in the South or "The Heartland".
That's the demographic who makes up the most welfare recipients.
But because other groups get that assistance too, they demonize the whole program because it doesn't offset the ratios of White births vs. everybody else's ones.

That's what Quiverfull members the Duggars are all about.
Breeding White babies to outnumber all the other non-White ethnic groups.
This is also why they historically opened the membership of Whiteness up to groups they used to demonize like Irish & Italians.
They needed more numbers & couldn't keep up the infighting.
Currently Asians being the "Model Minority" are being promoted for Honorary Whiteness by these White supremacists.
Yellow & Gold is close enough, I guess. Wasn't always that way.
Even a few South Asians like the India Indians are being considered even though that deep bronze tan can be a little too much for the supremacists.
This explains Nimrata "Nikki" Padhawa "Haley" & Piyush "Bobby" Jindal.
When the supremacists are desperate they'll even let a few Blacks work for the cause as we see from people like Stacey Dash, Raven-Symoné, & any Black Republican you can pick out including the current token Ben Carson.

As White births become more sustainable, you'll see them close up the ranks & membership bit by bit.
We don't need those tokens anymore & we don't need these off-Whites like those folks from the Mediterranean.
South Europe is right above North Africa after all. There's a reason why Rachael Ray has that seemingly permanent tan. YUM!

White Supremacy is a FEARFUL system. It's a weak system. It's artificial which is why they have to be active in exerting the system's various methods of violence against any other group not considered White.
It's also a system doomed to fail which is why you're seeing more & more desperation out of these folks.
When Obama got reelected in 2012, Irish Bill O'Reilly went on air publicly & said the White Establishment is over.
O'Reilly if he was born 100 or 200 years back wouldn't be championing that cause.
They let the Irishmen apply into the halls of Whiteness long ago so he laments on Fox News TV.
Seeing them outright admit the system's existence publicly shows you how close to the end that system really is.

That White culture NEEDS to die & a better White culture needs to take its place.
A culture built on respect & equality with all others on this planet.
Hopefully we can further this goal when we get Bernie Sanders elected to be President #45 this year.

John Lucas

[uriel1972]

39. Uh, I might have misread what you are saying a little...

So correct me if I am off-beam, but there is no one White culture as there is no one Asian, or African culture.
Are you saying That White culture in totality must perish or That this particular White culture must perish?

Even though I would gladly see the back of this particular white culture, there is a danger in saying it must perish. It is awfully close to saying it must be exterminated for my liking. It conjures up images of the extermination of other cultures too numerous to mention, which all too often lead to the extermination of the people who held that culture.

It is a deeply sick culture that needs to be dealt with, that is true. I think the people who hew to this culture need to be dealt with too.

The point is the system is based on fear and ignorance. Telling these people that you want to destroy their culture is perversely what they want to hear, it reinforces their belief in their persecution (the poor persecuted white male... will no-one think of his plight [sarcasm]) and makes them bunker down all that more.

I don't think there is any easy path to healing this form of culture. Opening up these communities to education and reform is a start. The priority is the children, expose them to the outside world and other points of view. Which would require adequate schooling and so on.

In other words these people need everything we promise to other people. I am no way saying prioritize these people over any other deserving group, or that they deserve special treatment, just that if you want to deal with this culture at it's root you will need to expend resources and effort.

Or you could just give them the Armageddon they so richly believe in. Eh... your call.

[johnlucas]

43. White Supremacy MUST PERISH. I didn't mince words.

Not "dealt with". DESTROYED.
No more of this coddling talk.
150 years of that coddling leads to all of this regressive nonsense that has held & continues to hold this land back.

They're scared because they SHOULD be.
They are dinosaurs that are about to be made FOSSILS.
And it will be done WITHOUT violence & that's what makes them the MOST scared.
That's what Progress is all about.

They're not gonna fit the America of tomorrow so they are doing their best to either hold it back or fight back at it before the inevitable conclusion.
I don't really CARE if they heal or not.
The education is out there. The knowledge is out there.
Decades & centuries of it.
They won't use it? So be it. Get left behind.

They WILL see their Armageddon but it won't be what they're expecting.
Like I said, they're not Civil so they expect the Violence they have put upon everybody else to be aimed at them.
Nah, we don't have to raise a fist in anger to destroy that White supremacist culture.
It was doomed to fail at the start. That's why they need non-White tokens to help them with their White supremacy strategies.
Can't even be "Pure White" on a subject like White supremacy. It's pathetic!

Every single thing people on this forum stand for will go absolutely NOWHERE until that White supremacy machine known as the Confederacy is DESTROYED.
It's no time to coddle & make excuses for these people anymore.
Adapt or die.
Join the future or stay in the past with the rest of the fossils.

I will do my best to help hasten that needed extinction when I vote Bernie Sanders into becoming the 45th President of the United States.
A UNITED force will beat a Confederate force every single time.
It's just physics.

John Lucas

[uriel1972]

44. Uh, how do you intend to destroy it...

With drones.. Tanks... flame throwers.. Gas chambers and Ovens?
I suggest you be careful and do not become exactly what you claim to stand against.

I'm not talking about "coddling" the people who break the laws or poison the well of thought. I'm talking about using the rule of LAW against them and trying to pick up the pieces they left by educating their offspring.

The dinosaurs did not die out they became birds and mammals.

I am all for self-defense, but not for genocide.

[johnlucas]

45. You're just reading the reply title. You have not actually read my posts at all

Go back & REALLY take in what I'm saying before you make your next reply.
That White supremacist culture will SELF-DESTRUCT. It was always destined to.
Now after you actually read my posts, then come back with another reply.

John Lucas

[uriel1972]

46. Your language in your post was interesting, terms like 'extinction' and 'destroyed'

Not "dealt with". DESTROYED.

You may see now why after reading your post, I felt that you intended to hasten it's demise. Destroyed is a powerful, emotive and very active word.

No culture is ever truly destroyed, it morphs and adapts.

You seem to take it as an article of faith that white supremacey will self-destruct. I am not so hopeful that it will, without significant intervention.

I suggest taking active steps to take these people (for there are always people behind the faceless word'culture') and set them as straight as possible, within the confines of a civilised society.

I don't do this as a favour to those born into that kind of culture, but as a favour to the the rest of us.

[johnlucas]

49. Plenty of cultures & cultural practices have died out with the progress of time

Yeah I'm using powerful words to make my point crystal clear.
I want no ambiguity on the matter.
Ambiguity has been the problem which allows that mentality to fester.
People have been educating for decades upon decades now & it barely changes anything.

I'm not talking about killing off people in ovens & setting up execution squads.
I'm talking about a more metaphorical destruction.
When it becomes too unfashionable to hold on to those mentalities.
When you lose opportunities because of those mentalities.
THAT'S when it dies. People HAVE to change because staying the same won't get them anywhere in the society.

Coddling that mentality gives them cover to keep thinking in those regressive ways.
As long as it's cool to believe in White supremacy among friends & family this will always be here.
But once your social circle ostracizes you for having those beliefs, eventually people give up those beliefs.
THAT'S the EXTINCTION I'm talking about.

Nobody lives like the Victorian era anymore. That culture died out.
No men wear powdered wigs anymore like in the 1770s. That culture died out.
Nobody drills holes in people's heads to cure headaches anymore. That cultural practice died out.
Handwriting culture is dying out in the midst of electronic communications.
Things that were so commonplace just 100 years ago are foreign to people living today.
It happens all the time.

White people of today are NOT like White people of 500 years ago.
The cultures of all these other groups they came in contact with has forever changed them.
The way they talk, the way they dress, the way they act.
And the White supremacy mentality fears that inevitability.
White supremacists found out that they caught a tiger by the tail & are now stuck between holding on or taking a big fall.

The reason I KNOW White supremacy is doomed is in its very nature.
It tries to stay separate in order to maintain its status.
As soon as White mixes with non-White, White ain't White no more. The purity thing.
That's the weakness.
It's a DEFENSIVE mentality masquerading as an offensive mentality.
They have to PROTECT Whiteness because it's so very fragile.
But the nature of people is that we rub off on each other. We influence each other.

Think of the British Empire "conquering" India & so many other places around the world.
Then think about the British Beatles walking around with Nehru jackets playing the sitar like Hindus.
Who was really conquered?
Think about its descendants in America "conquering" the Natives in this land.
Then think about Chuck Norris walking around like he's an honorary Native on Walker Texas Ranger.
Who was really conquered?
White America "conquered" Japan but today so many White boys got Yellow fever.
They're watching anime & reading mangas & playing videogames from so many Japanese companies.
They listen to J-Pop & swoon over those Japanese idols & AV stars.
Who was really conquered?

And in the end everybody from those lands the British Empire & its descendants invaded become a significant part of their "conqueror's" land.
To assert themselves against these ever-strengthening influences, a mentality of White supremacy is put up so they don't become changed.
It's like the plastic on your old grandma's couch.
So worried about it getting stained that she wraps it in cellophane.
Makes for an uncomfortable sit & makes you not wanna go to grandma's house anymore.

And White supremacists are ESPECIALLY scared of Black people because we rub off on people THE MOST.
World culture has been Africanized.
They were playing jazz in pre-Hitler Germany.
The breakout Nintendo game called Splatoon is full of hip-hop influence.
Even country music is not immune. The banjo is an African instrument.
Adele from UK wants so bad to get that soulful sound cultivated in Black churches.

Even when they thought they were mocking us & being superior to us, they wanted to paint their faces black.
Just why DO so many White people like tanning so much? Isn't that counter-intuitive?
Today the phenomenon of PAWG is a thing despite the mockery of prominent Black posteriors in the past.
Before Kid Rock was going out here rapping with a Confederate flag, he was trying to be another Vanilla Ice with a similar haircut.

The White supremacist system has always been fragile.
It is all based on a lie from the very beginning.
If Whites were so superior why were they bringing over all these other non-Whites to build the place up?
Couldn't they do it themselves? What happened to purity?
Sally Hemmings & so many others proved that they couldn't keep it "pure" if they tried.
You're NOT gonna be "pure" if you sail on a boat, if you ride on a train, if you fly on a plane, if you travel in a caravan, if you walk on shoes, if you print on a press, if you dial on a phone, if you log on the 'net.
You wanna keep it pure, then hide in that cave, caveman.
Otherwise all those forms of transportation & communication only brings about the Family Reunion.
You came to see US, remember?

They ultimately know this but they continue to pursue this White supremacy system in futility.
The world is getting SMALLER not larger.
All this technology is bringing the world closer TOGETHER.
Which means there's gonna be a lot of rubbing off & influencing going on more than ever before.

That's why I say we won't have to resort to violence to destroy this evil culture.
Obama hasn't even really used his power like he should.
He's actually been a disappointment personally.
But just him existing in that office has caused the Conservative (actually Confederate) coalition to implode on itself.
He hasn't done anything actively against them & they still fell apart.
In just 8 years, that coalition is finally about to exit the national stage in American politics.
Black people have ALWAYS been the shifting force on the political parties from the start of this country.

You get Bernie in there & we'll guarantee that this part of the White supremacy machine will be dismantled.
Everything Bernie will fight for does not line up with what this guy mentioned in the opening topic is looking for.
By helping ALL people it prevents a policy that only helps White people.
They're gonna be gutted when Trump gets landslided because they thought that tripling down on a White supremacist platform would get them results.
When a wide open bigot can't get past Romney's 47%, they'll know that it's Jurassic time for them.

Obama was the dawn of the Fourth Republic.
For the next few decades, things are going away from their vision on the nation.
Nobody openly celebrates the Ku Klux Klan anymore when in the 1910s & 1920s they were openly celebrated.
Cultures die all the time & this one will be no different.
Progress is always the key to making that happen.

John Lucas

[uriel1972]

51. I'm hoping Bernie Sanders wins,

but I do not share your optimism about white supremacy melting away like a vampire in sunlight.

I think a lot of time and effort and even blood and lives will be spenttrying to get it under control and even then it will remain underground, waiting for signs of weakness.

There is no destiny, no upward escalator, no inevitability, no guarantee, written into the laws of physics that white supremacy will fail.

I'm not saying it won't abate for a time, but history has shown us genocide after genocide, all over the globe by all 'races'.

The urge to root out and destroy outlanders is all too strong in humanity. It needs to constantly be watched against.

[katsy]

28. Here is the real murkin' taliban

Would have us wearing burkas if the other side of the coin hadn't thought of it first.

This fundie dinosaur should just die off.

[Starry Messenger]

29. I'm pretty sure this is that basis for most pro-life positions.

He's honest about his opinion, unlike others who dress it up in euphemisms.

[raccoon]

31. This dude is a Southern Baptist minister. Surprise, surprise!

"Charles E. Van Zant (born November 24, 1943) is an American architect and Southern Baptist minister who serves as a Republican member of the Florida House "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Van_Zant

[uriel1972]

34. Of course his religion has nothing to do with this...

Yeah, right. The pigs are lined up on the runway, ready for take off for the newly created ski slopes in Hell.

[lancer78]

35. Maybe if the was more economic opportunity

instead of the rich getting everything, maybe we could AFFORD kids.

[alphafemale]

36. What is "White Culture" exactly.

I get ethnic specific things like Irish or Scottish or Italian or whatever.

But what is White culture maybe except trying to be one of the first people in line at the opening of a Crispy Chik so you get free food for however long that is.

[csziggy]

37. The "white culture" that requires this needs to expire

The same as the "culture" that wants women to wear burkas or be subject to attack or the "culture" that allows gang rape in India, or the "culture" that allows killing homosexuals in Africa, or the "culture" that prevents laws being passed that outlaw child brides, or any "culture" that allows subjugating others for their profit and pleasure.

Sorry, but overall human culture tends to move forward towards more inclusiveness and all those "cultures" are trying to hold the entire human race back or to return us to earlier more barbaric times.

[joeybee12]

38. The real scary thing is I bet Paul truly believes he's making sense...

What a world.

[hifiguy]

40. I presume that the guys with the butterfly nets

driving the rubber truck were summarily called to do their duty.

[bhikkhu]

42. "white culture" depends on women being uneducated servants of dominant males, then

...nothing this white male has any interest in being a part of. Its hard to imagine that there are still people thinking we have to out-reproduce other "ethnicities" to maintain some kind of superiority.

[Warpy]

55. Cattle that cook

You know, to be bred at will and also have dinner on the table every night.

[MisterP]

47. aaah, you'll just incorporate the more güero latinos

you did the same thing with the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, the Jews (presumably with the express intent that if any one of them looked at you cross-eyed or joined the Wobblies they'd be right back in "ethnic"-land)

[valerief]

53. If white culture means subjugating white women, then it should die. nt

[Warpy]

54. Looks like the woman behind him is thinking "yeah, about time."

The culture of WASP Repu8blicans like him deserves to die and should have died many decades ago.

We'd have a nicer, more decent, more civil country if it had. We'd also have far less wealth concentration and a brighter future for all of us.

[Little Tich]

56. Say whaat?

[quaker bill]

57. Van Zant

introduces this bill every session and has done so for a couple of decades now. It never goes anywhere, but he runs on doing it and gets re-elected every time.