FBI releases video footage of LaVoy Finicum shooting

[snooper2]

Set the speed to .25 on the video. At 6-7 seconds in you can see dickboy take his right hand and reach into his coat where his .45 is always holstered from other videos..

Hands up, hit the ground ...
Reach into coat, get fucking shot...

[bullwinkle428]

1. PREDICTION : Alex Jones will claim this was staged like the moon landing!

[exboyfil]

4. Story I am hearing is that he was ordered to drop his weapon

he reached for it to comply and was shot.

Ridiculous I know but that will be the narrative.

Other option is that he reached for his torso after being shot. They he was shot again.

[LannyDeVaney]

5. Police don't say "drop your weapon" when no weapon is visible ...

If the weapon isn't visible, they secure the suspect.

Guy said he would rather die than go to jail, and his wish was granted.

[NutmegYankee]

12. Police would never tell a person to pull out a weapon and drop it.

The procedure is to have the person keep the hands up and slowly walk to an officer and then they will secure the hands and remove any weapons.

He clearly did a suicide by cop.

[polly7]

13. I'll get slammed for this, but I agree with your last

statement. I watched it three times (and I hate seeing anyone die, no matter who it is) it seemed to me he reached towards his torso with both hands - possibly after being shot already. Maybe he came out with his hands up thinking he'd be protecting the rest of the people in the truck. I don't think what these people did or stood for was right in any way, but I'm not as much in disbelief of the girl/woman's statement now as I was before seeing this.

[snooper2]

15. his daughter get the facts before you make judgements

otherwise we are just doing ID ten T errors LOL

[polly7]

16. I don't find it funny.

I could be very wrong, but a human being still died.

And I'm not talking about his daughter, I'm talking about what the female in the truck said.

[snooper2]

17. I believe the 18 year old female was his or another of the terrorists daughters

Google it..

And , he was a threat to our country. Rather he would be in prison but I watched all of Tarp Mans videos and he wanted a death wish..

[polly7]

20. Does it matter who she was? You google it.

I'd rather he was in prison too. I just think it's sad anyone died for the stupidity of that group and to me, it's not clear what he was doing with his hands. I'm not saying I'm right about it at all ... just how it looks to me from that aerial footage. Maybe the female in the truck couldn't see anything either after he left the vehicle with his hands up.

[underahedgerow]

21. He was just like any of those idiot school shooter nuts who want everyone to 'remember

their name'. He was reaching for his gun, he got shot and is dead.

Let's make sure his name is totally lost forever.

[Gman]

11. I guess we can expect a bunch of white guys in camo walking around saying

Hands up don't shoot.

[salin]

25. to be staged, he would have to be in on the staging

of his own death - in collaboration with the FBI. Listeners would have to tamp down a whole lot of cognitive dissonance to follow that line.

I think the pause between 'hands up', and reaching down, suggests mentally playing out the scenario he described earlier on video. "Do I give up and go to jail? Or would I rather die?" - and a suicide by police scenario is the choice.

Can't help but finding this both inevitable, and yet, still sad.

[hollowdweller]

26. That's what it looked like to me.

He came out with his hands out to his sides not over his head, like so it was a shorter distance to his gun.

Then it looked like he was deliberating whether to draw his gun and when the guy came behind he he decided to do it.

Sad, he didn't have to die. He almost was able to run around the road block. Looked like that was what he was hoping to do.

On the other hand you see him at the refuge, he's smiling. He's having the time of his life living out his fantasies of being a revolutionary.

Maybe after that going back to all those kids and farmwork, or jail just wasn't in the cards for him.

Guessing it may come out what happened inside eventually.

Maybe he thought they were going to kill them all in the car and he'd draw the fire.

Hard to say. He was 55, he had a lot of good years left. Sad.

[aikoaiko]

2. c'est la vie.

[wheniwasincongress]

3. Wow

drone or satellite?

[Maru Kitteh]

14. Plane. FBI plane. n/t

[JudyM]

6. Well, he certainly wasn't running at them. Nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. The full video shows him trying to speed past the roadblock, but being stopped by the snow

[alcibiades_mystery]

7. He seemed startled by the guy coming out of the trees behind him

That guy was either posted there or off taking a piss when Finicum tried to beat the roadblock.

[hollowdweller]

27. If you were the cops wouldnt you have people hid on both sides of the road?

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. Sure

Which is why I said "posted there."

[Electric Monk]

9. Posted multiple times already

GD
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V&M
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017325016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017325015

[snooper2]

10. and?>

[Electric Monk]

18. Depends if you care more about a good signal to noise ratio, or having your name on the OP.

Apparently you care more about the latter.

[snooper2]

19. LOL, we were having a T.38 debate at work just today

[Lee-Lee]

22. Totally good shoot.

He took off from a felony traffic stop at high speed, almost hit the officers at the roadblock, immediately exited the vehicle, was moving briefly with his hands up but then started dropping them as if grabbing for a weapon.

He got out looking for a confrontation using the hands up to try and move. That is the only reason to exit that way as fast as he did. Then he waffled between if he wanted to fight or not grabbing toward his weapon, and learned that when you start a fight the other party may end it, and you, rather quickly.

Either that, or he jumped out intending to commit suicide by cop and just kept his hands up long enough to get himself out from net to the truck so his buddies wouldn't get hit by the fire.

Either way, he wanted to play by the big kid rules, and he learned that shit has consequences.

[Scurrilous]

23. Yep.

He was reaching for something and it wasn't the sky.

[tblue37]

24. I saw him reach across his body TWICE to the left inside pocket of his coat.

I got the impression that perhaps he couldn't quite decide at first whether he really wanted to go for the gun or not--thus vacillating between holding his hands up and moving suddenly to reach for the pocket on his left side.

(Another possibility is that he was pretending to surrender until he could steady his footing and get close enough for a clear shot at the LEO approaching him--but I suspect that vacillation is the more likely scenario.)

Also, when he suddenly veered into the snowbank he very nearly ran down one LEO standing in the snowbank near the roadblock.

Running at high speeds from the original stop, almost running down a cop or FBI agent, reaching twice to the pocket inside his coat (where, as it turned out, he had a fully loaded gun)--and all this after posing for weeks with his gun across his lap while announcing that he would never allow himself to be jailed--well, in this case I can't blame LEO for assuming that he was a genuine threat and that if they gave him the chance, he would try to kill them.

None of the other people were killed, because they surrendered without acting like a threat to LEO.

If the stories about arguments inside the vehicle he was driving are true, then perhaps the others realized he was likely to get them all killed. If he had been arguing with his pals, then after running the first roadbloack, driving fast to escape, and then being blocked again and veering into the snowbank and jumping out of the car, his adrenaline was probably pretty high. That's why I suspect he was torn between surrendering and grabbing his gun and blazing away.

[doc03]

28. You guys have better eyes than I do, from the extremly poor guality of that vidxeo

I couldn't make any kind of conclusion one way or the other..

[JesterCS]

29. It's hard to see

But I saw it. He kinda looks like he's bending left and right at the waist to get into his pockets.

[Calista241]

31. I'm just gonna go ahead and say it

If he was African American, this board would be up in arms. There would be demands for officers jobs, trials, and marches in the street.

[Katashi_itto]

32. If he was African American, he'd have been just holding a bag of Skittles and generally

minding his own business. Not being a part of an armed occupation.

That shit went out in 1985 with MOVE.

[Cal Carpenter]

33. Really? You think it is that simple?

Regardless of skin color, I doubt many people would have been 'up in arms' about anyone with a fully loaded weapon, likely reaching for it, after being on record countless times claiming he would rather get killed than surrender to the authorities, meanwhile abusing public lands and making them inaccessible to everyone else based on a dnagerous clusterfuck of ideology.

You are stretching real hard there. What's your point? Do you think this is comparable to the Tamir Rice situation? Freddie Gray? Michael Brown? John Crawford?

Please, elaborate. I'd love to see where you're going with this.

[phantom power]

34. except the bit where *this* guy was an adult, who had loudly promised to go down shooting

[Shankapotomus]

35. Actually, not much difference in a similar case

Some thought it was right, others had questions but no one was up in arms.

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