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FGM IN THE U.S.
A controversial new study published in the Journal of Medical Ethics says nicking the genitals of young girls is an acceptable compromise for the practice of female genital mutilation (FGM) in the West.
Arguing that criminalizing FGM in Western countries such as the U.S. and U.K. has pushed the practice underground, the authors suggest a compromise solution that would legally permit a minimal form of genital mutilation in recognition of its cultural and religious obligations. Despite being perceived as a practice linked to Islam, FGM is a cultural practice that has no basis in religion. No religious texts prescribe FGM, according to the World Health Organization (WHO), while Human Rights Watch says the practice is erroneously linked to religion and is not particular to any religious faith.
In the study, published on Monday, U.S.-based authors Dr. Kavita Shah Arora, director of quality, obstetrics and gynecology at the MetroHealth Medical Center in Cleveland and Dr. Allan Jacobs, professor of reproductive medicine at Stony Brook University, write that in order to better protect female children from the serious and long-term harms of some types of non-therapeutic [FGM], we must adopt a more nuanced position that acknowledges a wide spectrum of procedures that alter female genitalia.
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http://www.newsweek.com/fgm-compromise-nick-western-countries-429250
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Nick the genitals of the adults that want to do this to their child first, then see how hot they are to do this. Yeah I realize some of the moms might already have done this, in that case give them some educational material like a film of their husbands being nicked.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)How about your hop up on the table Doctors Arora and Jacobs and we'll get the scalpel out and do some exploratory "nicking" on your parts to see what looks good?
katsy
(4,246 posts)Well fuck that shit.
No excuse for the opinion of this study.
Whatever their past contributions of these researchers, their new titles should be "quacks".
Hope they're never taken seriously again.
Rex
(65,616 posts)just wanting to be total assholes? Control freaks are sick people. And they cannot hide behind religion on this one, it is totally stupid shit like anti-vaxxers.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Are these people on psychedelics? DOCTORS are proposing this?
And, um, yes it IS linked to a particular religulous delusion.
PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)Fuck that. You're gonna bow down to ignorant misogynists and say, "oh, it's CULTURAL!" No. No. No. No.
A THOUSAND TIMES NO!
Quantess
(27,630 posts)I'm fucking sick of the weak folding that nearly all countries do, in regards to womens "rights", when confronted with muslim cultures. What a fucking joke, to even say that some women should even have any rights at all, according to the men in their culture.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)When those who are not part of a culture and who cannot be held to account by that culture acquiesce to practices they find morally repugnant they are simply being cowards.
I suppose those who gave up their brains, spines, balls and hearts can't be bothered to care about a mere clitoris.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)last comment... old village ladies slice those female genitalia off, by the thousands with a rusty blade. It's horrible.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)f*** this "cultural differences" BULLSHIT
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)who are doing to this young girls are open to "compromise"?????
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)This kind of shit makes me so angry.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Shandris
(3,447 posts)...any way to track the...propensity of any particular group supporting this. How unfortunate. Very sad, but I suppose nothing can be done about it. **Big Shrug Emoji**
Since the WHO and the other 'world groups' can't seem to figure out where it comes from, we can't just drive the illegality underground. I mean, we learned how terrible that was with abortion. Only thing to do is find a way to make it legal, natch!
((It truly is sad how it's impossible to even figure out who's likely to do this. I mean, I keep coming up with all the times Obadiah Smith and his neighbor Nehemiah Jones did this to their children, and it's just staggering!. (Do I really need the tag? )))
angrychair
(8,700 posts)"Nicking" something is still cutting something and is still FGM. what a bunch of assholes!
A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I mean, except the sorts of cultural values that let cartoonists draw "blasphemous" cartoons, or let women decide to wear a sexy bathing suit on the cover of a magazine, those deserve universal condemnation of course.
But we must be respectful of these cultural values here, you know.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)I don't think that's a thing.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)rollin74
(1,976 posts)fuck these "doctors" and their compromise
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)While the author is trying to minimize the link to Muslims, this is definitely related to a branch of Islam; religion and culture are often entwined. This is like saying, "No TRUE Scotsman is a Muslim."
I'm not bashing Muslims, at all, not even close. Most Muslims obviously do not participate FGM or anything else like that, but the people performing the FGM sure as hell believe that they're doing it for Islam.
Perhaps the answer lies within getting other, more mainstream Muslims to do educational outreach, either charitably or at the expense of a government (including ours). Education is the key here.
Normally I'm a cultural relativist, but this is one of those cases where I genuinely believe that Western values (not considering women as property, not mutilating girls' genitals, etc.) are superior. On edit: most non-Western, world Muslim values, as well.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It's a tribal practice that pre-dates Islam in certain African areas.
Had Islam never come to those places, they'd still be doing it. But those areas did become overwhelmingly Muslim, and the practice continued. Were it not for that history, then in all probability they would be still doing it, irrespective of whatever the dominant local religion had become.
As you note, it is not a practice that correlates with Islam outside of those places where they have always been doing it - Muslim or not.
lpbk2713
(42,759 posts)I don't see how it is possible a "director of quality, obstetrics and gynecology" and a "professor of reproductive medicine" can even consider something like this. I find this incredible.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)They are people and not for anyone to touch.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)feel anything sexually). Disgusting pigs castrate them...(the guys taught the women to believe this is the right thing to do).
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)What exactly is a fucking "nick" supposed to be?
Yeah, this pisses me off.
tblue37
(65,403 posts)will not be tempted to be "unchaste," because such cultures think women are all promiscuous and unable to control their animal nature without sch restraints. A symbolic "nick" won't satisfy the purpose of FGM--and besides, they need to just leave those little girls' genitsls the heck alone!