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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRepublicans Rocked As Polls Show 4 Senators Could Lose Seats Due To Obstructing Obama
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/02/24/republicans-rocked-polls-show-4-senators-lose-seats-obstructing-obama.htmlEarlier this week, PPP polls of Pennsylvania and Ohio found that Republican incumbents Pat Toomey (PA) and Rob Portman (OH) are in jeopardy of losing their seats due to the due to the decision by Senate Majority Leaders Mitch McConnell to obstruct President Obamas Supreme Court nominee.
Democrats need to capture five Republican seats to retake control of the Senate, and thanks to the Republican decision to obstruct and Obamas nominee before he or she has been chosen, Democrats have the inside track on four seats. It might not matter who Republicans nominate for president.
The Senate is slipping away from Republicans because the bill for years of obstructing President Obama may be coming due this November.
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)brooklynite
(94,598 posts)OH and NH are slight advantage, PA and FL are underperforming and tied up with Primaries, AZ and MO are outliers with potential.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Still doesnt help with the House though.
longship
(40,416 posts)Why not either Hillary or Bernie?
The Democrats have a rather large advantage this year for the Senate. The only way to say otherwise is to spin it for ones candidate. Which is just like this, and nothing else:
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)them a big advantage in swing states and red states.
longship
(40,416 posts)Like they won't run against Hillary? Like she has no negatives?
I like your posts, but this one is weak sauce, my good friend.
I will gladly support the nominee in November, but will vote for Bernie in the MI primary. I am a proud lifelong Democrat, but that argument is hollow.
My best to you.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)But since then most of his posts since then have been one big bummer. And yes I tried for the rhyme
Cary
(11,746 posts)You underestimate the negativity of the word "socialist." I'm not saying it's correct, quite the contrary. Unfortunately years and years of "conservative" propaganda have instilled all kinds of thought viruses in people's minds including most of those Hillary's "negatives" that Sanders' supporters so eagerly try to perpetuate and capitalize on.
longship
(40,416 posts)Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)I want another FDR, not another Clinton Third Way.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)But as someone who hasn't said a bad word about Bernie Sanders I have to tell you that if anything is "insideous" it is the "conservative" Hillary Clinton propaganda that I have seen maliciously spewed by alleged Democrats.
Of course several have admitted to me that they are not now and never have been Democrats.
longship
(40,416 posts)And apparently that kind of plea just doesn't always work here.
I support Bernie in the primary but will gladly support, work for, and vote for the Democratic Party nominee.
So there's that.
My best to you.
From your lips to God's ear, but not here apparently.
I'm not sure how much of it is, in reality, intraparty warfare. Personally I think the differences between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are way, way over stated. Both will be severely constrained by reality. I believe both of them will work towards the policies I favor.
And I'm not the least bit interested in personalities.
So it is my opinion that most of the noise here at DU from either corner is just bluster.
longship
(40,416 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)worked for them they'd build a whole scandal out of supposed crimes he may have committed while sleepwalking. "Do we want a president who might be sleepwalking when he should be keeping the country safe?" ANYTHING could and might be manufactured.
And then there are the first 25 years or so of his adulthood. I may feel the way he lived his life is simply another type of diversity, but it offers incredible opportunity for creativity.
This isn't disapproval of Bernie, this is just realization that what they did to Hillary will be done to Bernie if he threatens them with too much success.
Cary
(11,746 posts)My opinion is purely tactical although I acknowledge the fact that the smears will come, regardless. I still would not give them that ammunition even though I agree 100% with his premise.
I would find another way to attack and neutralize "conservative" propaganda, based on cost versus benefit.
getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)just look at the low hanging fruit...
He is a socialist who has openly supported castro and noriega
He is an atheist (yes, I know he is secular, but they don't know what that word is. Non-practicing = sinner = atheist as far as they are concerned)
He wants to break american industry and banking, only to rebuild it?
He is a pacifist. Sure he voted against the iraq war. He hates war. He hates foreign policy. He won't be aggressive.. blah blah blah
Trump will have him painted as a racist. He will have him ridiculed for being old and unhealthy.
Trump will even best him on the Jewish front (his daughter is converted).
And then there are the real policy gaps in his positions.... And how he pays for them....
Nope. Won't be pretty. But as a non-practicing atheist with some similar viewpoints, most of bernie's weaknesses don't really bother me. But they will resonate with a large swath of this country. And they will drive anyone with a small business to trump.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)He's weak, he's old, he's a nut. They'll all be developed. It doesn't matter if he's not corrupt -- that'll be developed too. People expect scandals.
And handling the incoming is just part of the job when running against the GOP these days.
getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)there is no scandal with either bengazi or the email server. All of that was invented out of whole cloth. So yeah, given time and a bernie nom they will find something. Maybe he didn't pay for his own girl scout cookies or something. (sarcasm).
Don't get me wrong, I like bernie as a person and as a senator. I would vote for him if he were the nominee, but I don't feel he will be as good a president as H will be. Look, Obamma wasn't the perfect president either, but he was much better for the country than mcain or romney would have been.
And the thought of trump picking 3 scotus members is sickening. What if picks people like himself; billionaires with a "you don't tell me what to do" attitude towards gubberment and a scalia attitude towards human rights? He could and probably would.
It will be trump. And he will lose to H (or bernie). As long as we as a party don't go to war.
rtracey
(2,062 posts)i totally agree, I hope the majority....ultra, complete majority feels the same way. I will support the nominee, either Bernie or Hillary..MD primary is soon...
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)And that GOP turnout will vote downticket also.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Trump will have a big negative impact. The real interesting question is how the establishment plans to put Humpty Dumpty together again.
But hey, anything is possible.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)No matter how crappy the republican candidate is, all the GOP has to do to GOTV is say 'Hillary Clinton', and replicans will flock to the polls to vote against her.
rtracey
(2,062 posts)I don't agree, I have seen and heard many reports that say they will vote Hillary/Bernie rather then Trump.... I do believe there will be a GOP candidate and a 3rd party run by Trump. I think his race bating, get america great again is working on the cretins who support him, but I dont think its going to fly in some of the bigger delegate states like California, Texas, even New York.....they know what Trump is...
Cary
(11,746 posts)I'll stick with my assessment, unless you have something to actually back up your judgment.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Have you been paying attention at all for the past 24 years? You think Whitewater, impeachment, Benghazi, and all didn't happen?
Cary
(11,746 posts)Democrats will be teeing off on his Trump University fraud, mismanagement all over the place, abuse of immigrant workers, sexism and racist remarks, and too much more.
Trump will be radioactive by summer.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Cruz got like 5 delegates in Nevada.
Rubio, the same.
Trump, 25.
High disapproval rating isn't keeping him from winning.
Cary
(11,746 posts)I can't believe you said this here at DU.
getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)but guess what, they would vote in the same numbers agains bernie. it's what they do.
I doubt anyone who wouldn't otherwise vote will turn out just because it's hillary. Look at how many people voted against obamma. Same people.
The real question is how many won't vote because it's trump. I don't think it will be yuuge in the end, but he will lose some votes to the void.
And the reverse is also true. A lot of dems and blue indies will turn out because its trump. And with scotus on the very real line, even more will be motivated.
It won't be a low turnout election.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I've noticed a lot of that has moved over from the GD-P.
All I can suggest is not feeding the beast.
Hawaii Hiker
(3,166 posts)that Obama was so despised that Repubs will hold their nose and vote for Romney & it will be a landslide...
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)He captured 6 of 7 swing states. A couple of critical states going the other way, and Obama is a one-term President. I think GOP turnout was most ever, Obama got 5 million fewer votes than in 2008. So actually, Republican voters <did> turn out in big numbers and held their nose to vote for Romney.
Hawaii Hiker
(3,166 posts)while Obama did receive less votes than he did in 2008, the only 2 states that he lost in 2012 that he won in 2008 were Indiana & North Carolina....And those 2 are rather red states historically so a Democrat even competing there is amazing....
And compared to the 2016 GOP pretenders, Romney was an adult in the room and was a formidable challenger despite some glaring flaws...
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)bumper sticker by saying he didn't mind Sander but he hated Clinton.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Impressive.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)homes, their jobs, their retirements, and seeing their children and loved ones killed and wounded in Wars For Profits. We are sick of seeing our children charge high interest rates for money to go to college while our government charges zero interest to banks for billions in loans. We have a long road to haul fighting the Big Money but we will prevail.
"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"
Cary
(11,746 posts)Your insinuation is subtle but it's there, nonetheless. It's cheap and not well-taken.
I'm really tired of the rhetoric: no pun intended. The outcome is almost certainly baked into the cake already and even if it wasn't I don't see the wisdom of alienating fellow Democrats. That is, if one is actually a Democrat. Right?
I don't appreciate being told things like I'm "siding with the Billionaires." Nothing could be further from the truth and it's just snide for no good reason. Not that you really affect me in any way, mind you. But in assessing who and what you are, and character and all that, I have to take into account things like the way you treat other people who don't share your opinions and don't toe your line.
Good Democrats are leaving this board because of the way they are being treated. A lot of them. It didn't used to be like this. Since you assume a leadership role here I would think it would behoove you to set an example.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)in the 99%. This is a class war. Tell me it isn't. Tell me that Clinton, worth 50 million is a friend of the poor. Tell me she will hold Wall Street accountable. Tell me she wont send our families to die for corporate profits. More people in the 99% die from lack of proper care (6 babies die before reaching 1 year old out of every 1,000 live births) than any other modern nation. It's because corporations like Goldman-Sachs loot the resources we need to help our families survive.
There are clearly two sides to this class war and the Clintons and Goldman-Sachs are not on our side.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Their ancestors will rise up chanting their call to action, "Win this one for St. Ronny", or some such stupid meme.
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)are a LOT of Bernie Sanders supporters.... mostly Millenials, but older people also.
One thing that really SHOCKED me though was my cousin, a lifelong Democrat and raised in a strong Union family just like I was, said that if Bernie didn't win the nomination that he was going to vote for Trump because he doesn't like HRC. I KNOW that he already voted for Bernie in the primary during the "early voting" period. We were in town one day and went ahead and did the early voting while we were there. I'm still trying to change his mind, hopefully I will succeed. I keep stressing the importance of having a Democrat in office for, if nothing else, the SCOTUS nominees.
His reasoning is the same as the other Trump supporters I've heard...."He's not a D.C. "insider" and doesn't care what he says, or who he offends, he 'tells it like it is'." I just look at them and say "You'll care who he offends when some Country decides to start a war with US because of his mouthing off!"
Peace,
Ghost
elljay
(1,178 posts)There is actually some overlap in their positions, which is one thing giving the Republicans ulcers (everything else about Trump gives US ulcers). Matt Taibbi summarized it in yesterday's Rolling Stone:
"This is part of a gigantic subplot to the Trump story, which is that many of his critiques of the process are the same ones being made by Bernie Sanders. The two men, of course, are polar opposites in just about every way Sanders worries about the poor, while Trump would eat a child in a lifeboat but both are laser-focused on the corrupting role of money in politics.
Both propose "revolutions" to solve the problem, the difference being that Trump's is an authoritarian revolt, while Sanders proposes a democratic one."
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-america-made-donald-trump-unstoppable-20160224?page=12
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MisterFred
(525 posts)The average Joe under 40 doesn't remember the Cold War. The Average Jane over 40 realizes we won it and its over.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)This red scare thing is ridiculous.
And it pales next to the irrational hatred of anything Clinton on the right.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)So you make an excellent point.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)so long with the name 'socialist' that more and more people are ignoring it, looking at policy statement, and ignoring the calculated, defamatory labels and name calling.
RobinA
(9,893 posts)In my experience, Repubs who are against Obama firmly believe that he is a raving lefty. This after 7 years in which he has done little or nothing to earn that title. When I encounter a friend spouting "Obama is a socialist" rhetoric I ask them what they feel he has done that fits that description. I get either a lot of sputtering or some nonsense about raising taxes. Facts don't matter. Nobody looks at policy statements, they look for catch words that fit a preconceived bias.
Duval
(4,280 posts)they all are examples of Democratic Socialism.
blondie58
(2,570 posts)Totally different thing.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I mean I fucking loathe Hillary Clinton (It rivals how much I hate Ronald Reagan--I openly advocated disinterring Reagan and setting up a queue for AIDS patients, the homeless, and the mentally-ill to use his skull as a urinal in revenge for his Presidency)...but in comparison to them, I look like Hillary's biggest fan.
Nothing is going to motivate GOP turnout like the opportunity to send Hillary miserable into a forced retirement. They'll show up to vote against her regardless who the Republican nominee is. Turn-out and energy are not on our side if Hillary is the nominee. It would dwarf any "running against the socialist" advantage the GOP might have in swing states and red states.
It's literally their raison d'etre to destroy Hillary. Nobody and nothing is going to motivate them more than a Clinton candidacy.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)independent voters. The GOP base won't vote for a Dem no matter what, so a HRC or Sanders nom won't change that. It is the independent voter that will change the outcome. (That and Dem turnout).
Where I am the GOP doesn't hate Hillary (not more than any other Dem). They desperately want Sanders to win the nom, but that is just because they think he is easier to beat.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I expect her nomination to tank Democratic turn-out and motivate GOP turnout through the roof...I basically expect her to cause a turnout gap in favor of the GOP that rivals mid-term elections.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)President Obama....
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)by the right wing media yet, but they would come for him big time.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)Lower income Red State voters are being denied expanded medicaid, thus cheaper insurance, because their Republican leaders refuse that option out of childish spite. Years and years of Republicans simply stamping "NO" to everything the Democrats put forth, including affordable health care insurance, may catch up. Especially Bernie's single payer proposition that would solve all that.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)I know of no socialist running. Only a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST. The two are different.
Beartracks
(12,816 posts)They've claimed for years that all Democrats and liberals are socialists -- even the obviously centrist ones. The only difference with Bernie, in their view, may be that he's proud of the label and hasn't tried to "hide it."
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Android3.14
(5,402 posts)If Hillary is on the ticket, we lose everything.
jmowreader
(50,560 posts)Also, polls taken as far from New Hampshire as we are to the general election indicated Bernie was going to lose by at least 50 points.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)to polls that people pull out of their posterior.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)7 hours later, still no link to back this up.
jmowreader
(50,560 posts)This was on DU within the past week - of course, the way any post critical of Bernie disappears here, it's almost certainly gone now. The post said that a group of people who had no opinion of Bernie were told the Bernie platform then asked to rate him against the GOP candidates. He did well. Then they used the expected GOP attacks against Sanders...socialist, tax raiser, free stuff...and the GOP all pulled ahead of him.
If Bernie Sanders wins the Democratic primary, the GOP has got attacks ready for him he will not be able to withstand...and he will lose by the biggest margin in the history of this nation. Forget the "socialism" card, although the GOP will definitely play it. The American populace wants one thing from their government: less of it. They want lower taxes; Bernie promises higher ones. They want smaller government; Bernie promises massive expansion. They want the government to stay out of their businesses; Bernie will push them farther into the affairs of the private sector.
You can't even get people to accept higher taxes in the name of self-preservation: My sister is business manager for one of the biggest school systems in Idaho, and they have a problem: the boiler at the high school is within six months of exploding. It is not going to merely fail; a licensed engineer the state hired says that sucker is going to blow sky-high.
This is video of a boiler explosion:
The boiler at this school is large enough to level the building when it goes. If it goes while school is in session, it will kill the entire student body. They have tried to pass bonds to build a new school and they ALWAYS fail, no matter what they try.
A vote for Bernie Sanders is an endorsement of all the things you hate about government. And that, dear Matt, is the reason Bernie Sanders cannot, and will not, win the election.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)erlewyne
(1,115 posts)I should have discovered him years ago. I am surprised that
it took this long. Of course, I am from Ohio and that should
explain a lot. I still have my Kucinich signs! and I still back
Dennis Kucinich!
Trump as president and a republican controlled House, Senate and likely Supreme Court.
What could possibly go wrong?
eridani
(51,907 posts)--who would walk through fire to vote against her.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)if she was might as well be Republican. truth hurts
I read every article I can find from just about any source that comes my way on Hillary /Sanders and the presidential election. It is very difficult to find any of them that have a pro Hillary opinion. I for one said early on I was for Sanders but would hold my nose and vote for Hillary but right now Trump might be looking pretty good if the choice was Trump or Hillary and I am not alone by judging the comments I read. I look at Trump as being the wild card because I really don't believe he is serious in what he says and is only being opportunistic because he smells blood in the water. If he is serious in what he says and is president he will be thrown out or ignored by both houses or there will be blood in the streets.
debunction.junction
(127 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)debunction.junction
(127 posts)We only need 4 to retake the senate. We only need to split 50/50 on the other 20 to get to 60. So it is possible mathematically, right? I know, I know...
Fearless
(18,421 posts)rpannier
(24,330 posts)Illinois, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are definites
Ohio, New Hampshire probable pick ups
Florida good chance (60-40)
Indiana may be 50-50 if it's Coates again or a teahadist. The determining factor will again be Lake County. Lake County is very Democratic (Mondale, Dukakis, Cliton, Gore, Kerry, Obama). But it has an erratic voting history
Missouri would be sweet, but unlikely unless Blunt loses the primary to another Atkins
If Grassley would retire it would be helpful
Likely loss is Nevada. Especially if SanDoval runs
We only need 4 senate seats to pick up. That and a victory in the presidential election would give us 50-50 + Veep
It's 44-54-2 (The 2 being King and Sanders)
Number9Dream
(1,562 posts)Toomey beat Sestak last time because of the money advantage. This time, he will have a HUGE campaign fund advantage.
snip> "He also predicted that Toomey could have more than $10 million by the time a Democratic primary ends, while Sestak may have to fight just to win the nomination."
http://articles.philly.com/2015-04-23/news/61422406_1_democrat-joe-sestak-toomey-fund-raiser-campaign-funds
Toomey is also getting a lot of dark money from the Koch bros. Toomey has accepted nearly $60,000 in Koch cash, and has a 96% rating from Koch group Americans for Prosperity.
https://www.dscc.org/pressrelease/pat-toomey-once-again-benefiting-koch-connected-dark-money
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)But with Sanders at the top of the ticket, there will be more low-hanging fruit - which may be pickable on his coattails - and every day they obstruct Scalia's replacement will hang the fruit a bit lower.
the zound of zilence
(16 posts)The GOP is walking into our trap, believing the False Gospel of FOX. You'd think they'd have learned from the pre-election night forecast of a Romney landslide. Then again, "learning" is a dirty word to them!
longship
(40,416 posts)The numbers just work out that way. Plus, it is a presidential election year which also favors Dems.
Yup! The GOP will very likely lose their Senate majority. Buh-bye Turtle Man.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Scalia kicked the bucket at just the right time for Dems.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Their paranoia is incurable imo.
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TheUndecider
(93 posts)But I think rank and file repubs are loving, even demanding this obstructionism.
Rex
(65,616 posts)As we can see with this Congress and the way the treat the POTUS.
nykym
(3,063 posts)as long as the DNC does not screw our chances by no supporting the candidates.
They need money and physical support.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)speculation here is that he's floating Sandoval as a trial balloon so as to see if the repukes would reject one of their own because the black guy nominated him.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)platitudipus
(64 posts)If they say he's acceptable will Obama then try a more progressive candidate? If they say he's not acceptable will Obama run a more conservative candidate past them? No, if he's submits Sandoval for approval, that's who he wants. I would never expect Obama to nominate a progressive to SCOTUS, he's never even had a real one in his administration.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)they've looked at the polls, too, and decided to pursue this course. at least for now.
they don't think it's going to hurt them, or they're trying to make this a campaign issue. either way, they're cornered rats - they have no choice if they want to preserve their 5-4 majority.
Raster
(20,998 posts)Keep up the delay tactics 'til everyone in this country sees you what what you are: petty, obstructionist assholes that value their out-of-touch party's agenda over the good of the country.
Keep. It. Up! Let EVERYONE in America see the real republican party.
kysrsoze
(6,022 posts)He's got a really tough election coming up against Tammy Duckworth. I would LOVE to see Dems take back the Senate. I doubt we have a chance in hell though, of getting the House back as well.
Wednesdays
(17,380 posts)Unlike the Senate, all House seats are up for election this year, and of course the Goopers have more of those to defend than the Democrats.
elljay
(1,178 posts)Yes, but they are so gerrymandered that almost all districts are safe. They haven't figured out a way to do that with the Senate, yet!
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)apparently Utah is trying to find a way to opt out of the 17th amendment.
Funny how these assholes who babble about how peoples right as so sacred just off handily say, well, the founding fathers wanted it that way, so we really think it is a good idea to let elected officials pick senators.
fucking jackasses ...
But, your are right, it something REALLY big has to happen for them to lose the House.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)favors the smaller red states).
3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)...Tammy takes her bionic legs and kicks Kirk's ass but good!
madville
(7,412 posts)Wisconsin was already a likely Democratic pick up with Feingold leading by around +10 in every poll back to last March.
Ayotte has around +5 polling average back into last year in NH.
It really just depends on the timing. If Obama nominates quickly and they deny it soon after then it will be a faded memory by election time because everyone will be watching the 24/7 Trump and Hillary show.
How many Independents that this would be an issue for would stay home and leave down ticket Democrats out to dry because they aren't motivated by Hillary and preferred Bernie (like in NH)?
What happens if Hillary is indicted as a result of the FBI investigations?
Republicans have been more motivated to turn out during this primary season,
That enthusiasm gap is troubling.
Of course there are about 99 other factors that could easily overshadow this SCOTUS nomination. I remember when the government shutdown in 2013 was going to cost Republucans their House majority in 2014 and the chance they had at winning the Senate back, how'd that work out? That's why these types of predictions are meaningless.
Wednesdays
(17,380 posts)Yeah, no one saw that coming!
Bucky
(54,027 posts)Or do they call that "investment banking" now?
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)but why would any Republican vote against a Senator over this issue?
KamaAina
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MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)be moderates, than they get primaried lol
Vinca
(50,278 posts)Her opponent is Maggie Hassan who has been a very popular governor.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Still got them seats in 2012 and 2014. If the Queen is the nominee, we will lose. They'll vote a GOP ticket all the way. At least with Bernie we could gain with Indy's, and Trump haters. But no Trump hater hates him more than they hate Hillary.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)The GOP leaders are fools!
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)houston16revival
(953 posts)Obama should not play ball with these Republicans by giving them a Republican pick
they would sort of like to approve
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silvershadow
(10,336 posts)pandr32
(11,588 posts)Let's hope so!
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)depressed turnout of your base... just saying, the minute that Trump releases the Goldman Sachs Hillary transcripts is the moment of departure of a large portion of the Democratic base.... that is if she is the nominee... I still pray that people will wake up from their slumber and vote for no baggage to represent the Democratic party.
pandr32
(11,588 posts)Democratic turn out is down, and you can see one of the biggest paid Goldman Sachs speeches yourself...Google Hillary Clinton 's Goldman Sachs speech "10,000 Women..."
Suggesting Hillary Clinton took money from Wall Street in the form of speaking fees in a sort of "pay for play" is a deliberate campaign tactic for a desperate candidate--it is a manufactured scandal.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)she supposedly gave them hell for making millions off of people who lost their homes....Oh yeah that one doesn't exist so maybe she will release the one where she is yucking it up with the wall street fat cats... no don't think she has the ....... to do that...but I am sure Trump will be playing it night and day during the GE and people like you will expect people like me to defend her..... LOL.. insulting to say the least.
mountain grammy
(26,624 posts)The fact that Udall, a far better Senator than Bennet, was beaten by the teabagger idiot Cory Gardner, has scared Bennet even more to the right.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)win control of the Senate in the first place.... but I digress the most important point to remember is that we need serious turnout in Nov... the way you get serious turnout is to have a candidate that INSPIRES the masses.... there is simply only one Democratic candidate that does that.....
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)that turnout is good... can't imagine Hillary being able to muster a good turnout especially when Trump will be releasing her Goldman transcripts in the GE that will sure Depress this side...
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)will have a lot to do with it. There's a strong correlation between a sitting president's approval ratings and picking up seats.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)I'm just saying.....
People better get their heads out their rears, hold their noses if need be and vote in November.
AllyCat
(16,189 posts)Better a Dem POTUS, but a Dem Senate would help against tRump
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)It shouldn't even come to that. Having to have a democratic senate to stop him.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, KamaAina.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)newblewtoo
(667 posts)save Tinker Bell too. But that is not the way things happen. A strong Republican showing will sweep weak incumbents like Ayotte back into office as offensive as it may be. A strong populist Republican candidate will change the landscape for years if we go with Hillary. Sorry. Reality sucks. If the Republicans continue to keep the momentum they have I see a very bleak future. It sucks, clapping won't change the outcome. Hillary will not win against an agitated Republican base.
We need an electable candidate. I do not think it will be Sanders.
spanone
(135,844 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)That's worth a shit. And who campaigns as a DEMOCRAT not a Repub in Democratic clothing.....
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Does he fit the bill?
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Our party has had a habit of nominating the worst campaigners that I have seen in a few decades.
Gray has some fire in him, so he could do well if he doesn't get hamstrung.
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)toddwv
(2,830 posts)SCOTUS leaning left.
A new Democrat in the White House.
The Senate changing hands.
I can't wait to hear the howling from the right about how it's not a mandate...
merrily
(45,251 posts)potone
(1,701 posts)This Congress has been worse than useless. The arrogance of the Republicans is beyond anything that I have ever seen, including the impeachment trial of Bill Clinton. They simply cannot and will not accept that Obama is the legitimate president of the country that they have done so much to damage over the last 35 years. I don't know how he has managed to keep his sanity having to deal with these people. I long ago would have run screaming into the street.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)In the months leading up to the election, the President and Senate Dems must manufacture ways to keep Republican Supreme Court obstruction in the news cycle. Republicans are hoping that , after they initially ignore the President's nominee, the issue will fall out of the news cycle. I don't care if it comes in the form of a challenge in the courts, filibusters on essential legislation, showing the nominee getting the door slammed in his/her face on Capitol Hill or the President calling well timed news conferences on the issue over the coming months. THEY MUST EXACT A MAXIMUM PRICE FOR THIS OBSTRUCTION BY KEEPING IT FRONT AND CENTER IN THE NEWS CYCLE.
randr
(12,412 posts)A person beyond reproach that has the bonifides as a fire brand liberal.
And he should challenge whether he can select and appoint a new judge without consent from congress.
The congressional challenge to NOT advise or consent is clearly a breach of the Constitutional responsibilities they have sworn to uphold, placing the Senate committee on impeachable ground.
The advice and consent clause of the Constitution serves an archaic purpose:
The concept serves to moderate the power of one branch of government by requiring the concurrence of another branch for selected actions. The expression is frequently used in weak executive systems where the head of state has little practical power, and in practice the important part of the passage of a law is in its adoption by the legislature.(from Wiki)
This may have been the case at the creation of our nation, when we were a bit monarchical shy.
However, in the current political climate it can be argued that it is the legislative branch that is weak and acting out of the interest of the nation.
I propose this challenge to be raised in hopes that the Supreme Court, in its current disorder, would make a verdict one way or another.
Otherwise, he should still call the bluff with a liberal nomination and let the chips fall where they may. If this is a priority issue in the next election whomever wins will have a free pass for their nominee.
AllyCat
(16,189 posts)He is awful.
ffr
(22,670 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/1064143
Let's make a democratic supermajority a reality for whomever our nominee is!
AllyCat
(16,189 posts)Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)And the DNC is already throwing its weight behind DWS's favorite, a former republican.
liberalfromaustin21
(61 posts)The GOP's policies are cancerous. We need more progressives in office.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)caraher
(6,278 posts)itcfish
(1,828 posts)Only 4 up for re-election? Geez what is wrong with the United States?
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)rladdi
(581 posts)seats in the house and senate and even some governorship too. The people have not been asleep the past 7 years and noticed what the GOP has not done. Since McConnell claimed at Obama swearing Obama would be toast, He and other GOP gangs have been trying hard. But Obama fought on, creating millions of jobs, got the economy back on it feet, provided healthcare for millions. He would like to have roads, bridges and railroads updated, but the Republicans are not about fixing up America.
SodoffBush
(1,035 posts)I've been watching close races or waiting for the primaries to end and picking the Dems that have the best chance.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)ut oh
(895 posts)lose those seats anyway....
We really need to make the Senate and House majority Dem again...
bleedinglib
(212 posts)BHO should pick the most Liberal person to nominate for the Court !! Then Democratic voters will come out & vote & throw all the bums out
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)and trying to get back Congress.
rladdi
(581 posts)will result for them. It could be a huge win for Democrats in November. In reality the citizens of the USA want results, want this nation to have safe roads and bridges. A good railroad system, but the GOP wants to keep us backwards, back to the 18th century. American voters are to smart to elect those who want to defeat them and destroy the nation.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)something plain RIGHT about them ; intolerably right ! unconscionably right. It's just not good enough in this day and age. If you're not all very careful, your will have your banana export-licence rescinded.
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)They can do a job of stopping RW vote count fraud attempts if they get wind of it. Rumor had it that they stopped Rove's fraud attempt in Ohio in 2012.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Then does that mean the people have spoken and the dem senate should refuse any candidate till next election?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)But I can't see any scenario in which we take the Senate but lose the White House. Besides, who says Hillary's gonna be the nominee?
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Now...if only Grassley would get his ass handed to him, too.