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kpete

(71,988 posts)
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:27 AM Mar 2016

KRUGMAN: "The establishment’s problem with Trump isn’t the con he brings; it’s the cons he disrupts"






.....the Trump phenomenon threatens the con the G.O.P. establishment has been playing on its own base. I’m talking about the bait and switch in which white voters are induced to hate big government by dog whistles about Those People, but actual policies are all about rewarding the donor class.

What Donald Trump has done is tell the base that it doesn’t have to accept the whole package. He promises to make America white again — surely everyone knows that’s the real slogan, right? — while simultaneously promising to protect Social Security and Medicare, and hinting at (though not actually proposing) higher taxes on the rich. Outraged establishment Republicans splutter that he’s not a real conservative, but neither, it turns out, are many of their own voters.

Just to be clear, I find the prospect of a Trump administration terrifying, and so should you. But you should also be terrified by the prospect of a President Rubio, sitting in the White House with his circle of warmongers, or a President Cruz, whom one suspects would love to bring back the Spanish Inquisition.

As I see it, then, we should actually welcome Mr. Trump’s ascent. Yes, he’s a con man, but he is also effectively acting as a whistle-blower on other people’s cons. That is, believe it or not, a step forward in these weird, troubled times.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/opinion/clash-of-republican-con-artists.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1
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KRUGMAN: "The establishment’s problem with Trump isn’t the con he brings; it’s the cons he disrupts" (Original Post) kpete Mar 2016 OP
That's a great line BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #1
This is what everyone should be saying..... vi5 Mar 2016 #2
"Yes, he’s a con man, but he is also effectively acting as a whistle-blower on other people’s cons." pampango Mar 2016 #3
"He promises to make America white again.... sufrommich Mar 2016 #4
The GOP base has to be so relieved that they can come out and say it Hydra Mar 2016 #9
Much like their whining about 'free speech'... Wounded Bear Mar 2016 #16
Oooohhhhh..... That's gonna leave a mark. TalkingDog Mar 2016 #5
Krugman's right on this one. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #6
BINGO! Myrina Mar 2016 #7
That's mighty rich from Krugman Red Oak Mar 2016 #8
Yes,Krugman is evil,evilllllll!!!!! sufrommich Mar 2016 #10
"Look, look, over there! At the con, over there! Look! No, look over THERE! ...over...there...not Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #11
+1 TIME TO PANIC Mar 2016 #18
Thank you. eom LittleGirl Mar 2016 #13
Yep... MattSh Mar 2016 #17
+ another 1 eom Arazi Mar 2016 #22
I've been reading Krugman since BushCheney squatted in the White House. He has always.... Hekate Mar 2016 #32
Cruz and Rubio are bigger threats than Trump? Sounds about fair. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #12
And if you think Drumpf is going to stop w/ the GOP... I got an office building in Brooklyn... Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #14
No irony here! HenryWallace Mar 2016 #15
The comments section ejbr Mar 2016 #21
The Good Doctor strikes again... Wounded Bear Mar 2016 #19
Well said, Mr Krugman. nt bemildred Mar 2016 #20
Trump's appeal distilled, from a ltte in today's NY Times: cloudbase Mar 2016 #23
You have to give him credit here, great observation! I'm a Bernie supporter, and I know Krugman FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #24
This is where Trump will rip Hillary apart, he will expose her cons, or percieved cons, and possibly FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #25
+1 jwirr Mar 2016 #27
"Make America WHITE again". GOLGO 13 Mar 2016 #26
Yeah, there is only racism in the South. :sarcasm: nt raccoon Mar 2016 #33
Not just the cons of the Repub Establishment -- the Democratic Establishment, too Dems to Win Mar 2016 #28
it's not just the dogwhistles: for years Fed money's poured into the Red States MisterP Mar 2016 #29
Krugman nailed it malaise Mar 2016 #30
Oh my. Krugman's insights are as sharp as a surgeon's knife. Hekate Mar 2016 #31
 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
2. This is what everyone should be saying.....
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:32 AM
Mar 2016

There is zero daylight between Trumps policies and Cruz/Rubio/Kasich except that he is actually saying it rather than dogwhistling. And in some cases Trump's policies are worse but in some they are actually more reasonable than the rest of them.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
3. "Yes, he’s a con man, but he is also effectively acting as a whistle-blower on other people’s cons."
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:34 AM
Mar 2016

Krugman does have a way with words while he destroys conservative economic policies.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
4. "He promises to make America white again....
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:40 AM
Mar 2016

surely everyone knows that's his real slogan,right?"


Exactly. Great Krugman crackdown.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
9. The GOP base has to be so relieved that they can come out and say it
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:58 AM
Mar 2016

The people he's appealing to hate the "political correctness." By that, they mean they are not allowed to be rabid racists out loud in public.

Which happens to be most of them.

Wounded Bear

(58,649 posts)
16. Much like their whining about 'free speech'...
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 12:11 PM
Mar 2016

which is a strong corollary, what they're really complaining about is society's efforts to stop them from being the assholes and bullies they want to be.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
6. Krugman's right on this one.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:12 AM
Mar 2016

When Mitt talks about Donald, he's talking about ever single Republican con man out there, himself included. The big lie is that Donald is different in kind, not just in being open and crude about his hatred and anger.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
7. BINGO!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:23 AM
Mar 2016

The party proper is pissed that he's saying out loud the things they've been saying to each other & their ultra-rich donors behind closed doors, and tacitly putting into legislation, for the past 30 years.

He's taken the mask off the 'kinder, gentler / compassionate conservative' party.

And I think to some extent he's also harnessed (oddly enough) the class-war potential of 'poorly educated voters'. Although not pointing them entirely away from the GOP, he's given their rage an outlet. Sadly most of them are too enraged & poorly educated to realize that neither Trump nor the GOP is ever going to address the basic inequity of the playing field on which they exist.

Red Oak

(697 posts)
8. That's mighty rich from Krugman
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:55 AM
Mar 2016

Calling out the cons in the Republican Party and then shilling for the cons in the Democratic Party.

I guess one set of cons pays his bills and one doesn't.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
11. "Look, look, over there! At the con, over there! Look! No, look over THERE! ...over...there...not
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:11 AM
Mar 2016

over here, OVER THERE!"

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
17. Yep...
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 12:18 PM
Mar 2016

It's evil when the RepubliCONs do it, but when the Democrats do the exact same thing, it's okey dokey!

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
32. I've been reading Krugman since BushCheney squatted in the White House. He has always....
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:24 AM
Mar 2016

...been spot on.

Blue State Bandit

(2,122 posts)
14. And if you think Drumpf is going to stop w/ the GOP... I got an office building in Brooklyn...
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:35 AM
Mar 2016

that will be in need of a new tenant.

Apparently the current tenant is under investigation by the FBI.

 

HenryWallace

(332 posts)
15. No irony here!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:43 AM
Mar 2016
.....the .... phenomenon threatens the con the .... establishment has been playing on its own base. I’m talking about the bait and switch in which ….. voters are induced to (forgo responsive) government by dog whistles about Those (Crazy Dreamers)...., but (ultimately,) policies are all about rewarding the donor class.

cloudbase

(5,513 posts)
23. Trump's appeal distilled, from a ltte in today's NY Times:
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 01:18 PM
Mar 2016

The Trump voter is not a policy wonk. The Trump voter wants action. The Trump voter hates to hear that there will be “no deal” on a Supreme Court nominee, no deal on the federal budget, no deal on taxes, no deal on trade, no deal on immigration, no deal on economic policy, no deal on health care. The Trump voter wants the best dealmaker to make deals on all these issues.

So until the Republicans stop being “the party of no,” the Trump phenomenon will continue to roll on until he is the leader of the Republican Party. The Republican establishment just doesn’t get it.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
24. You have to give him credit here, great observation! I'm a Bernie supporter, and I know Krugman
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 01:57 PM
Mar 2016

supports Hillary, but, this is a good observation from a Nobel winning Economist who has had many in the past. Give him his due!

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
25. This is where Trump will rip Hillary apart, he will expose her cons, or percieved cons, and possibly
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:01 PM
Mar 2016

win! Very scary.

This is why, IMO, Bernie can beat Trump, or any of these assclowns. Bernie is not running any Cons, or triangulating, or whatever they call calculating politics these days.

Hillary may not beat all of these guys. from CNN:

Dems vs Trump:
Clinton 52 - Trump 44
Sanders 55- Trump 43

Dems vs Rubio:
Clinton 47 - Rubio 50
Sanders 53- Rubio 45

Dems vs Cruz:
Clinton 48 - Cruz 49
Sanders 57- Cruz 40


It is still early, though, but worries me.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
26. "Make America WHITE again".
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:07 PM
Mar 2016

As in the white that fought the North for the soul of this country & got their asses beat black & blue. Histories biggest losers.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
28. Not just the cons of the Repub Establishment -- the Democratic Establishment, too
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:49 PM
Mar 2016

Trump is exposing the lies of Democrats that pretend to support American jobs while selling us out with bad trade deals.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
29. it's not just the dogwhistles: for years Fed money's poured into the Red States
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:56 PM
Mar 2016

and the Senators scream about "welfare cases" in order to 1. get their voters to ignore that they're living off the teat and 2. make all that money seem like it's coming from the Senator (Cruz and flood money, GOP and Amtrak)

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