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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKrugman: Return of the "Undeserving Poor"
At their heart, the only thing Conservatives really have is blame for the victims. This applies to basically every aspect of their politics and policies. I feel like Democrats ought to be able to use that to win more elections.
There were all kinds of theories, ranging from cultural hand-waving to claims that it was all because of welfare. But some people, notably William Julius Wilson, argued that the underlying cause was economic: good jobs, while still fairly plentiful in America as a whole, were disappearing from the urban centers where the A-A population was concentrated. And the social collapse, while real, followed from that underlying cause.
This story contained a clear prediction namely, that if whites were to face a similar disappearance of opportunity, they would develop similar behavior patterns. And sure enough, with the hollowing out of the middle class, we saw (via Mark Thoma) what Kevin Williamson at National Review describes as
the welfare dependency, the drug and alcohol addiction, the family anarchy
And what is the lesson? Why, that poor whites are moral failures, and they should move to where there are opportunities (where?). Its really extraordinary.
Oh, and lots of swipes at food stamps, welfare programs, disability insurance (which conservatives insist is riddled with fraud, despite lots of evidence to the contrary.)
Its surely worth noting that other advanced countries, with much more generous welfare states, arent showing anything like the kind of social collapse were seeing in the U.S. heartland.
Anyway, the rights inability to face up to the evidence on this front is just like its inability to face up to evidence on any other front.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/return-of-the-undeserving-poor
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)worried about (a) keeping ourselves afloat and (b) someone else getting something they don't deserve. (Or, alternately, keeping others afloat and worrying about getting something we don't deserve.)
phantom power
(25,966 posts)I don't know if other countries also have this, but Americans are clearly susceptible to the narrative that helping people fosters weakness. It's a national quirk that Republicans have exploited really really well. So well that when a Democrat like Sanders comes along and un-abashedly advocates for social programs, even a lot of other Democrats basically treat him like a freak of nature who needs some good hippy-punching.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Yes, because strengthening the strong has worked out SO well these past 40 years (or 400, depending on which historian you ask), hasn't it??
trotsky
(49,533 posts)The poor white people THINK they are strong, and that the only thing standing between themselves and Drumpf-like wealth (assuming he actually is rich) is the government taxing them and giving the money to "undeserving" minorities.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)of religions and the harm they cause but for the most part they have dropped that bull. I am not sure what caused those countries to turn their back on hate for the poor. The Enlightenment? The Great Depression? Hitler and his Nazis? No idea what changed them.
starroute
(12,977 posts)I have Facebook friends in England who are constantly posting about their schemes. There's the bedroom tax, where any single person with a two-bedroom apartment has to pay extra for the privilege, even if they have no other options. There's some scheme afoot to cut disability payments in order to cover a tax cut for the middle class. They're also about to expel a large number of long-term permanent residents who are not British subjects if they earn less than 35,000 pounds a year.
And those are only the complaints I've seen in the last week. Things are getting really bad over there.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)greed now not religion.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)cog·ni·tive dis·so·nance
nounPSYCHOLOGY
the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change.
Yet, he served for the guy who cut benefits to the poor. Seriously this is f'd up. Not that what he wrote isn't true in this case. But, he supports economic policies that screw poor people and the middle class.
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phantom power
(25,966 posts)White working class voters, who were Democrats until the Democrats took up the Civil Rights cause in the 60s, at which point their underlying racism overrode their desire for democratic socialism. Effectively, they made the collective decision that they'd rather help the GOP burn down the New Deal, than see it helping blacks or other minorities.
And 30 years later, here we are. And, as reality-based economics and social science predicted, these people have succumbed to the same social decay that any group of people will suffer when their economic and social support system dies.
What's interesting is seeing the National Review throw them all under the bus, just like they did with the blacks decades ago. It's really a sight to behold. I've become too jaded to believe that they'll learn anything from it, however. You can see that instead, they've glommed onto Trump, who is stroking their racism. Which they've already proven is more important to them than their own economic or social well-being.
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maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)Trying to recall the recent article I read on this but this is the gist: working class whites, who are just above the poverty line, who may have been on TANF or SNAP at some point, definitely are voting GOP now. They carry a lot of resentment for those poorer than them, people on Disability in particular, who they consider freeloaders. They think Dems enable these slackers, or want to take their guns or Jesus away.
They very poor tend not to vote at all.
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lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)It's just that now some critics are recognizing the white faces among the crowd.
This would seem to be an issue tailor-made (Hey, there's a job!) for Democrats: A jobs bill. Anyone remember the powerful issue the Republicans ran on in 2010? Jobs. Anyone remember what Republican governance has looked like in the five years since then? Just about anything except jobs. Well, not "anything," really. Mostly repealing Obamacare. I wonder why the various national Democratic committees aren't hammering the Republicans on the woeful record of their non-existent job creation program?