Breaking News: Trump can actually win the White House

[Cyrano]

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They’re down to Cruz, Kasich, or whoever they pick at their convention.

But the gaggle of totally thoughtless people, otherwise known as the Republican Party, will probably end up with Trump because he’s the only realistic chance they have of grabbing the White House, and winning down-ticket GOP senate races.

So here’s a fact. All Dems who vow “I won’t vote unless … is our candidate” are, in effect, listening to your hearts rather than your brains. In short, you’re helping Republicans take over the country.

For one moment, tune out the love and think. The reality we are facing is that we can actually end up with a “President Trump,” with his finger on the nuke button.

None of us want that. None of us could even begin to imagine the incredible damage that a “President Trump” could do to this world.

This post is not for Republicans, as none of them read DU other than trolls.
This is a plea to Democrats who claim “I won’t vote” if their candidate isn’t the nominee.

Let me try to reach you intellectually by saying that no one is “demanding“ anything other than reason. The “pledge” meme is total bullshit. No one is asking for a pledge of any kind. All that’s being asked of you is reason.

I’m braced for all the insults/denials/rationales that will be coming my way. But all I’m asking is that you help keep Trump out of the White House.

Peace.

[ghostsinthemachine]

1. Crazy world we are living in

But he will get slaughtered in any debates.

[Whiskeytide]

23. I hope you're right Ghost, but I have my doubts...

... Trump is successful in debates precisely because he doesn't debate. He bloviates. He just rattles off insults and "zingers" aimed at the calculated weaknesses of his opponent, and spouts slogans with no meaning. His supporters eat it up. Anyone who actually pays attention and has even a morsel of common sense and a modest understanding of the issues will readily see what he's doing. But what percentage of the electorate have those skills? And what percentage of the people who have those skills are not already repulsed by Trump?

He's not aiming for you or me, or anyone else on DU. He's aiming for the low information middle, and I have much less confidence that they can see through his charade.

And - compounding the problem - the media won't help people understand that Trump is saying nothing because diminishing Trump is not in the best interests of their business models.

I fear we remain hunkered down in our "he's just full of shit and no one will buy it" bunker at our peril. That strategy has been disastrous so far for the republican establishment, right?

[AgadorSparticus]

96. Yes!! Totally agree. Trump cannot be ignored any lon We need to start now and take him down. Nt

[Agnosticsherbet]

2. Republican Governors control 32 states, and control who counts the votes.

I assume that any Republican can win, especially in a close, low turn out election.

[NowSam]

3. Please give me a reason to vote for a candidate instead of against the other

candidate. Voting to keep Trump out is not a vote for Hillary. How is she supposed to lead a nation without having us vote for her instead of against him? I need a reason besides lesser of two evils. Leaders need to inspire hope and not instill fear. Otherwise she is George W Bush's Third Term. Is that what we want as a nation? More fear? To be bullied and intimidated into following a leader? Not me.

So luckily the primaries are still on and Bernie still has a great chance at winning this. He inspires me. A vote for him is a vote for him and not just a vote against Trump.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

8. So you watch the same speeches I watch, the same hate spewed by all

conservative candidates, the same promise to make hatred of others a national pastime, and you need a reason?

If so, there is no reason that will satisfy you.

[NowSam]

11. So you offer no other reason

than we should vote against Trump? Nothing positive about your candidate except she isn't trump?
if that is the case than I don't believe she is electable.

Sorry. That is my opinion

[Jackie Wilson Said]

14. So your answer is yes, you do see the same horrible hate machine being warmed

up and your response is, "so what".

I sincerely hope, for the lives of millions, your attitude is rare.

God help all of us if not.

And I dont even believe in the guy.

[NowSam]

21. I don't think Hillary has the people's

interests at heart any more than Trump quite frankly. TPP will destroy lives. We will see perpetual war and poverty if she is elected. I'm just as afraid of her as of the carnival barker. Bernie is the only sane choice.

[oberliner]

30. Bernie and Hillary agree with each other on about 90 percent of the issues

There is a reason why Bernie caucuses with Democrats and not Republicans.

[NowSam]

33. no one can really know Hillary's positions

they change from speech to speech.

[awoke_in_2003]

80. Yes, and she doesn't equate

Mexican Americans to rapists and murderers. She does not think we should track all Muslim Americans. She does not pine for the "good old days" when protesters were roughed up, nor does she encourage her followers to do so. I am for Bernie, but will vote for her if she wins.

[840high]

105. You have not offered me anything.

[jwirr]

25. There is a post here today about how 100,000 people will

lose their food stamps due to a bill passed in 1996 by the Clinton administration. Something about personal responsibility. All those hungry children must be taught a lesson.

Yes, we can vote against Trump because he is evil but let us not pretend that the alternative is much better. Especially to those 100,000 people who are being hurt. To those hungry children.

If Hillary wins we all lose because we then have two bad candidates to choose between. I am not thrilled with this choice and I do not feel like I am helping anyone with any vote for either of them. We are doomed if we keep moving right just because it LOOKS like the safest way. How long before we are just voting to make our slave masters feel good about themselves?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

27. I posted that and it is one million, not one hundred thousand.

So you will vote for Hillary if necessary, good.

The bill Clinton signed in 1996 was not of his choosing, BTW

(title of the post you refer to says 500,000 but in the article she says more like a million)

[jwirr]

34. Thank you for the correction. Yeah I will vote for her if forced

to but it will not make me feel any better.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

36. I support Hillary but will never shy away from posting negative things about her.

The same way Bernie will continue to be the Democratic Party's biggest critics , sometimes, that is.

We need that.

I would rather have Bernie in the WH, but the NEW Bernie Sanders, off of a whirlwind and very successful campaign, can make a difference.

Very very successful, and I mean that, considering where he started and the odds against him.

When I say I support her, I want Bernie for president, right up to the point where he is out if he is., etc.

[jwirr]

43. To be honest my problem with Hillary and Bill started the

day they hurt me and my family - especially my disabled daughter - with the welfare reform. And yes they had a packed R congress to deal with but they actually lobbied to get the damned thing passed.

If my state MN had not stepped up and made some exceptions to the law so my little lady got to stay home. It was not so great for others in R states that just wanted everyone to get a REAL job.

[MidwestTech]

54. That's because our state is 10 kinds of awesome!

weird as fuck! but awesome.
I'm a transplant in my 6th year here and I really do love it here.
The mix of conservative and liberal ideas still makes my head spin though.
Dayton has done miracles considering the mess pawlenty left this state in.

[jwirr]

56. Agreed.

[Jim Beard]

99. Wasn't 1996 the next congressional session after Bill Clinton raised taxes on the highest income

earners and a wasn't there a Newt Gingrich Republican Revolution also after Hillary had worked very hard for a Healthcare Plan.

[oberliner]

31. Hillary and Bernie agree on most issues

There is a world of difference between the two of them and the Republican candidates.

[revbones]

53. Depends on when you ask Hillary

Her agreement tends to change depending on audience.

[democrattotheend]

9. Stopping someone like Trump should be enough for all of us

Whether it's a vote for or against a candidate, it's an important vote.

That said, I see that you live in California so if you want to cast a protest vote in November, go ahead. I may do the same in New York. But anyone who lives in a state where their vote matters should not even be considering not voting for the Democratic nominee.

[NowSam]

12. My vote doesn't matter?

Well see. It might make the difference in June and I can than have the candidate who does inspire me. Bernie.

[democrattotheend]

37. I meant in the general election, it doesn't matter much

Because if a Democrat is in danger of losing California they probably will not win the election (unless maybe the GOP nominee is from California, like on West Wing). Ditto for me here in New York.

[HuckleB]

41. If you really want to SC to go full conservative, so we start losing rights...

... well, I don't find that to be a good thing.

[NowSam]

42. So the only positive thing about Clinton

that you can say is she isn't as bad as Trump?

That isn't enough for me.

[ZombieHorde]

101. HRC has done good things for many disenfranchised women around the world.

She adopted the resolution on human rights and the environment a couple of years ago.

[Herman4747]

51. Hillary's husband appointed Ginsburg & Breyer to Supreme Court

Hillary will undoubtedly choose someone similar.
Who knows who Trump will pick

[Skittles]

104. I have been voting AGAINST candidates for a long, LONG time

[MinnieBlum]

4. Trump doesn't scare me - Cruz does

I hate that Trump is acting like such an idiot, because he almost makes Cruz seem reasonable.

Trump's a loud mouth, selling snake oil to dumbasses. He doesn't believe a word he says. And, frankly, his past views are probably the real ones - progressive. He has been pandering to the right wing to get attention since President Obama's election. His "beliefs" aren't even skin deep. One point in his favor: he is destroying the GOP.

Cruz is the problem. He is not only a wingnut, he is a religious maniac. He is truly, truly frightening.

[The Second Stone]

15. Agreed. I predicted (and will win money) that Trump gets the nom

I mouthed off to my Dad that Trump would be the nominee as soon as he announced. Dad told me to put my money where my mouth was, so we bet the standard Duke boys bet of $1, and I told him he could have all the other clowns, whereupon he said he'd give me two to one for that, which I gleefully took. We both agreed that I was not hoping Trump would be nominated, but rather predicting it. Dad is pretty much resigned to losing his two bucks. Anything is better than Ted Cruz. Ewww.

The same logic that told me that Trump would win the nomination: namely that he is appealing to the party controlled by rank and file idiots, told me that those same people would be the only ones backing him in the general, and virtually everyone who ever occasionally vote Dem would choose Hillary as the lesser of two evils, if not first choice (me).

I think Trump is close to sewing up the nomination, and I think he will be clobbered in Nov.

[busterbrown]

19. Exactly why I want Trump to win the Nomination..

Cruz is much more frightening..and I think we can beat Trump with ease..

Imagine the Hispanic, Black, LGBT, Women Vote.. Combined sensible moderates, Dems and Progressives?
Looks Good!!

[etherealtruth]

22. I hear you!

Trump is a narcissistic buffoon ... Cruz is that strange mix of evil incarnate and religious insanity, all rolled into one .... though neither of these fools are positive in any way .... Cruz is MUCH scarier and much more dangerous

[Scootaloo]

77. They both scare me. But Cruz does scare me more

I'm not willing to bet any money on Trump "not meaning it," I've learned it's best to beleive politicians when they make threats. But he's also a fucking blowhard, and would likely cave under pressure or render himself meaningless while still in office. Damaging, but not irreparable.

Cruz is the kind of guy who would release sarin in kindergartens across the nation to usher in the reign of Jesus or something.

[Funtatlaguy]

5. This whole thing still has a Manchurian

feel to it for me.
We will know in August.
Will Trump tone it down? If so, he's legit.
But, if he ramps the crazy, he is secretly wanting Hillary to win and made a deal with Bill when they talked before Trump decided to run.
If so, it would be the greatest troll of all time.

[The Second Stone]

17. I think this was generally Trump's plan when he started out

but any candidate gets in a bubble of their own bullshit and starts becoming a true believer.

[Funtatlaguy]

29. You may be right.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Especially for a narcissist.

[Bucky]

68. Your vicious slur against people of Manchurian heritage is unacceptable

And yet you are the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life

[nadinbrzezinski]

102. Except that he was thinking of running well before that conversation

Working on speeches he gave well before that.

Somebody has to do it, try to put Trumpism together, because the MSM will not

The one I am reading right now was delivered in Iowa, on January 24, 2015

Here is the choice quote "So if I run for president and if I win..."

So nope, and by the way, that speech is not as rambling as what he delivered after the launch... I think I have most of trumpism in that one. But I have two more, so far, to go through. Yes, doing what none will do... and what I am seeing is scaring the pants off me.

Here you go

http://www.p2016.org/photos15/summit/trump012415spt.html

I should not be the only one doing this...

[democrattotheend]

6. I am a Sanders supporter and I agree with you 100%

It is worth pointing out that a lot of people didn't take Hitler seriously when he first got into politics and assumed his political career would never go anywhere.

I am not giving up on Bernie at all (especially since I have not even had the chance to vote for him yet!) but I think it is imperative that we do not let Trump or any of the other clowns the Republicans are considering get into the White House. I will do whatever it takes to prevent that.

[meow2u3]

7. Do we want only our candidate, or Trump as dictator?

Hold your nose and vote for the Democratic candidate, even if he or she is not perfect. Democracy, freedom, and our constitutional rights itself are at stake.
Are you sure you're willing to risk America falling to a tyrant because of ideological purity?

[jzodda]

10. Trump has no ideology and no morals.

I think he's dangerous and he would treat our military as his personal army.

That being said I think we will crush him in a general. His brownshirts don't even make up a majority of the party he's using as his vehicle.

But...... Please come out to vote! If you hate Clinton vote for the Supreme Court, vote to protect Obamas legacy. Vote to prevent the largest mass deportations we have ever seen. Vote to prevent trump and his cult of personality.

[B2G]

13. If you're having to have this conversation on DU,

this bodes extremely badly for the GE in November.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see Hillary firing up the typical American voter enough to GOTV. I'm sure the Bernie supporters HERE will come around for the most part, but the rest?

Sorry, but I just don't see it happening.

[mac56]

18. x100

If Bernie is not nominated, Madame Secretary will get my vote.

The independent voters are the ones I'm concerned about.

[farleftlib]

20. ^This^

Luckily, Bernie is still in the race. There is still someone to vote for.

[jwirr]

32. I will vote for her in the GE but as I pointed out above I

will be under no illusions that I am going to change anything for the better.

[TeamPooka]

16. Trump can win California in the GE. Just Like Arnold did twice. Celebrity is the most powerful force

in America.
You have been warned.

[onecaliberal]

52. Arnold won with 27% of the vote. He never ran in a national election. Big money smeared gray davis

It's not even remotely the same situation.

[TeamPooka]

75. He was re-elected in 2006 with 55.88% of the vote. Fame kills. Enjoy the facts and the warning.

Ignore it at America's peril.
Dude fucked up our state bad. Trump will do worse to USA.
Fame kills.

[onecaliberal]

82. He certainly did, but in all fairness the republican legistature did most of the screwing...

Once we elected Brown and a dem supermajority, we were back to good within 6 months. That should tell you something.

[TeamPooka]

83. 2008 voters in CA defeated Prop 8 (gay marriage), and didn't legalize cannabis

because you never know what the denizens of Prop13-ville will do when it gets going.
You get enough of the huge red swaths of the state and these idiot "Reagan Democrats" (Republicans too scared to publicly call themselves Republicans in LA and SF regions) and Trump is a threat here.
All he needs to win is everyone who voted against Prop 8 in 2008.
That's his built in base.
The Prop 13 loving Californians I've come to call my neighbors these last 16 years.

[onecaliberal]

87. I seriously doubt Trump is going to win in California. A gubanatorial election is much different

than a national election. Historically a lot more folks turn out. San Francisco isn't republican because they wouldn't have elected some of the most liberal reps to the state house we have in California over and over. Now in LA, and the Central Valley, we have ALOT of whackos, thankfully they don't represent much of the vote. The fact is when people here actually vote, liberals win in a big way. We have a large demographic of races here, I'm sure they don't appreciate his racist fascist ass one tiny bit.

[LanternWaste]

24. A rather politic way of stating the more accurate

"For one moment, tune out the love and think..."

A rather politic way of stating the more accurate, "for one moment, set aside the strength of your convictions, principles and personal judgement, and abide by my editorial... or else (insert prophecy here)."

[Cyrano]

45. Twist reality any way you want

I choose to believe in what may be called objective reality.

Then again, "objective" may mean different things in different realities/dimensions/planets. However, here on this planet, at this time and in this place, Donald Trump will fuck us beyond belief.

So go ahead and stick with your convictions.

And if you have nightmares, please don't ever wonder where those "showers" that are actually gas chambers came from.

[840high]

106. Such drama.

[fullautohotdog]

26. Anybody who stays home...

instead of supporting either the secretary or the senator in the general election is the same as voting for (presumptive nominee) Trump. Period. Half the voters staying home gave us Dubya. Never forget.

For the Hillary supporters: Of course Bernie is going to lose if you don't vote for him.

For the Bernie supporters: Of course Hillary is going to lose if you don't vote for him.

I could get behind either candidate (in fact, my choice has been wavering as of late for the candidate I was planning to vote for in my primary next month). Yes, many supporters of both candidates leave a bad taste in my mouth, but I'll still vote either way I need to to stop Donald Trump, because I'm not "that guy."

Don't be that guy, DU'ers. Nobody likes that guy.

[Rebkeh]

49. Trump is not Bush

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If he were to be the republican nominee, Hillary would lose anyway. *Correction, democrats and the party would lose anyway.

This is not a football game, we have to stop thinking in those kinds of terms.

We just may get the general election we deserve after all.

[fullautohotdog]

73. You're right.

This is not a football game, we have to stop thinking in those kinds of terms.

You're right. It's not. It's too important to stay home and let a moderate Democrat or liberal independent lose to a fucking flip-flopping racist nutjob because the Democratic candidate wasn't your "team" in the primaries.

Why is it so important? Because that also means you're going to probably stay home and not vote in the Senate/House elections, too, thus giving the GOP everything it needs to fuck us:

Gay marriage? Gone.
A slightly-regulated health care system? Gone. Insurance companies will be playing "Happy Days are Here Again."
Liberalization of drug laws? Gone. Expect the Rockefeller drug laws to look reasonable and raids in Colorado and Washington.
Affirmative action? Gone. Expect all benefits for women and minorities gone.
Abortion rights? Gone. Expect Planned Parenthood to go the way of ACORN.
Any semblance of responsible gun control? Gone. Expect to see handgun permits go nationwide and the fucking machine gun registry open up for manufacturers.
A fair Supreme Court? Gone. Expect a Sarah Palin or Chris Christie nomination.

As it stands, with a GOP-controlled Congress, we aren't in a position to get anything new — hell, we're in a fight to keep what we have. With an aging SCOTUS, we're this close to losing ALL of what we have now.

If you can't see how important it is to vote for whoever gets the nomination, I just feel sorry for you. Once the primaries are over, everyone better get on the bandwagon and work on GOTV efforts, because the current football "teams" will turn into the Democratic Party. I don't care if Richard Nixon's reanimated head in a jar runs against Trump as a Democrat, I'm filling in the bubble for the donkey in November if I have to roll my coffin into the polling station.

[Rebkeh]

81. Wow

There are so many assumptions made here I don't know where to start.

Never mind, carry on.

[fullautohotdog]

85. What, Trump and the GOP won't gut everything if they win?

Great debate...

[bkkyosemite]

28. There is a BIG difference between Bernie Sanders and HRC!

[LonePirate]

35. Since when are opinion posts considered to be "Breaking News"

[Dems to Win]

38. Vote for Carter, cause Reagan is so scary!

Didn't work. Not enough people came out to begrudgingly vote for Carter just to keep Reagan out of office.

I'll be voting for the nominee, of course, I'm a yellow dog. But I don't have any confidence at all that Hillary can win in November.

Trump will hammer away at all the bad trade deals that have destroyed the working class, while Hillary's husband is the guy who signed NAFTA.

For some reason I can't fathom, many people love reality TV. Trump's celebrity makes him very hard to beat.

I'm pretty depressed today. Not seeing much of any good future for my beloved country.

[Zambero]

39. This classic tape constantly replays itself

Remember how the Republican right swore never to support Romney? Well, 90%+ of them came home and made it a close race. And there much was much ill will between Hillary and Barack supporters in '08, complete with massive negative ad campaigns (recalling the "who will you trust when the 3 AM crisis call come is?). Once the dust settles, people invariably reconsider the options available. If Trump (or Cruz) gets the GOP nod, the horrifying spectre of one of them reaching the White House will be all that is needed to rally the Democratic party behind their candidate. This realization is not necessarily one that will be accepted at the moment, but will be in the months ahead.

[felix_numinous]

40. I can see the American people blaming each other

for another stolen black box election. Americans have lost their confidence in these machines, they are hackable. We have to have a plan for assuring that this crucial election is not stolen. Being surrounded by neo cons and neo liberals who have already proven to be willing to bend rules across the board.

[Cobalt Violet]

44. wondering how Jesse ventura entering the race would effect dems and reps.

He has said if Bernie isn't nominated he will enter. I'm really not sure if he can and even less sure about how that would effect the race.

[Rebkeh]

46. Bernie is the only one that can effectively beat Trump nt

[fbc]

47. Fascism vs Oligarchy?

I prefer oligarchy, but doubt I can bring myself to vote for it.

[MisterP]

48. Trump will run to Clinton's left--not exactly a clincher for the "if she loses it's the Dems' fault"

argument

[Buddyblazon]

50. Don't blame your fears of losing the whitehouse...

on Bernie supporters. Better you pick a candidate you don't have to worry about losing to a characature.

[arcane1]

55. No fear-based votes coming from me n/t

[840high]

107. Or me.

[mrmpa]

57. In Stephen King's Novel "The Dead Zone"...

the hero Johnny Smith is not sure what he wants to do about Greg Stillson a candidate for Senator, who Johnny foresees destroying everything via nuclear war. While Johnny contemplates what to do, he meets a WWII vet, and asks the vet, "knowing what you now know about Hitler, if you could have done something then what would you have done". The vet answers he would have shot Hitler, but before putting the bullet in the gun, he would have "dipped the bullet in rat poison".

Now we all can foresee what Trump holds for this country, and our "bullet" is our vote. I am a Bernie fanatic, however I will vote for Hillary to stop Trump from destroying our country and other countries. I have enough faith that those of us on the very progressive end of the party will not shut up & keep working for what we want and what our country needs.

Vote for Democrats or watch this country waste away.

[Jim Beard]

100. Same here and Thank You!

[CanonRay]

58. No insults or denials for me

just K&R

[Javaman]

59. if trump wins, I honestly think he will make sure the repubican party is destroyed.

just a feeling.

[Stellar]

60. The Hillary supporters said that about Obama.

So here’s a fact. All Dems who vow “I won’t vote unless … is our candidate” are, in effect, listening to your hearts rather than your brains. In short, you’re helping Republicans take over the country.

8 years ago
Exit polls: Half of Clinton's supporters won't back Obama

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clintons-supporters-wont-back-obama/

But then they did...

Sorry, Hillary. Your 2008 PUMA Die-Hards Aren't That Into You Anymore.

https://newrepublic.com/article/121584/hillary-clintons-pumas-once-die-hard-supporters-arent-sold-2016

[NoMoreRepugs]

61. I'm with you Cyrano... unfortunately not all here are...

Repubs can suck it up and vote their party, Dems can't seem to do it to the detriment of us all...

someone earlier posted how the turnout was low to vote Carter over scary Reagan, just imagine
if Democrats had some stones back then and did turn out.... different world today.... the consequences of a T-Rump presidency are to me almost impossible to comprehend.

[anothergreenbus]

67. "the consequences of a T-Rump presidency are to me almost impossible to comprehend"

Get ready you're almost there.

[Harriety]

62. I know it is hard to do

-to vote for someone who is not your first choice. My husband backs Hillary, and I back Bernie. Which ever one our candidates gets the Democratic nomination we will vote for that person.

I know that trying to keep that monster who stirs up so much hatred, out of the Whitehouse, is a poor excuse to vote, but what's the alternative? Trump would not only destroy our country but so many others too.

[TeddyR]

63. Just saw a Trump ad that shows Hillary

Barking like a dog? What was she thinking?

[FighttheFuture]

74. As she so candidly said, she's not the savviest of politicians. I will take her word on that!

Regardless, if she is the nominee I will vote for her and try to push more progressive ideas into the party, and the downstream races, which is why Bernie needs too, and will, stay in. There is much influence he will have to the ideas of the Democratic Party regardless of who wins the nomination.

Politics is not a one shot deal and you're done. It's a continuous process and requires some vision; individually and at the leadership level. Bernie has provided that in spades and has shown others who can listen what the people are concerned about and really want for their country. It is up to us all to take this on and push for even better ideas!

[840high]

108. Who knows.

[Fla Dem]

110. It was during a speech she made about Republicans lying. It was actually funny.

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[Demobrat]

64. Telling people to "use their reason"

is not a real good way to make your point. Just sayin'. Speaking of insults.

[anothergreenbus]

65. I won't insult you if you don't insult me.

The reason America is in this political crisis is because both parties have been corrupted by corporate money. We expect that from the Republicans but not as much from the Democrats. Clinton has elevated the campaign finance graft to a new level and is destroying our party. Since Bill Clinton, the corporatist Democrats (DLC) have been pushing for greater and greater corruption. I no longer care why they do it. They obviously want to amp up the corruption.

This means they are not working for their constituents but playing a duplicitous game to win votes and then serve the oligarchs. The false-Democrats have enabled the slide of the GOP into fascism by not maintaining their position on the left, or even the middle ground. Obama is promoting the TPP, for god's sake. This means the GOP has no where to go but to the right. That's our party's fault.

Winning one more election for a overtly corrupt party and candidate like Hillary is not going to fix the problem. It won't even forestal the collapse of the American middle-class because austerity will increase and we will be at war in the blink of an eye.

So tell me why I should vote for Clinton when it might be better to let the DNC crash and burn? Maybe, as I believe, this is the only hope we have to creat a truly populist Democratic Party out of the ashes? To do that we have to stare down GOP fascism, and DNC fascism-lite and break the DNC.

[freedom fighter jh]

66. If Hillary wins the nomination,

let her do her part to ensure that she, not Trump, wins the general, by earning the votes of Bernie's supporters. Let her commit to positions that are the minimum needed to distinguish her from the oligarchs.

I imagine she can negotiate with Bernie. Maybe she'll make an ironclad, specific commitment to make our nation a leader in fixing climate change. Maybe she'll commit to rejecting the TPP and anything like it that may come along. If she satisfies Bernie that she's being as progressive as she can be -- and as she needs to be to keep life in this country livable -- then Bernie can ask his supporters to vote for her. Those votes can be enough to put her over the top. And the issues that Bernie wins may be enough to to help a lot of people in this country.

[anothergreenbus]

69. Exactly. Well said.

We need an explicit pledge to block TPP.

[freedom fighter jh]

72. Thank you.

I think Bernie's supporters do themselves a disservice when they say they definitely will or won't vote for Hillary in the general. We need Hillary to move toward Bernie's positions in some reliable way (not just lip service), and to make that happen we have to negotiate our votes. Hillary will be acceptable to me if X, Y, Z. Then let Hillary meet that.

[roamer65]

89. I would definitely vote for a Clinton - Sanders ticket.

Bernie would make an excellent VP.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

70. So can Sanders.

So can anybody who attracts enough votes.

[Runningdawg]

71. I will

vote blue no matter who...
IF Trump wins the WH, there won't be a nice little fence around the WH that visitors can look through, nor will there be any more WH tours. He will be building a wall sooner than he anticipated and the taxpayers will fund it.

[yourpaljoey]

76. If she 'wins' the Primary, Hill will drop our for 'personal reasons'

Blood sport.

[shawn703]

78. I voted for the country's best interests in the primary

I'll vote (or not) according to my own best interests in the GE. Sad fact is, there has been no measurable difference in my own life between having a corporatist Republican or corporatist Democrat in the Oval Office. Business gets their will over ours either way. Hillary can earn my vote, but her pledges for the first 100 days will need to be measurably more populist than corporatist.

[BillZBubb]

79. I'll vote for whoever earns my vote.

There is a very good chance Hillary won't accomplish that. I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils.

[TeamPooka]

84. Can Trump earn your vote? nt

[BillZBubb]

86. I don't see how.

[TeamPooka]

90. Then you'll stay home and not vote as you threatened? That means you're worthless to us as a party

So you'll have to take whatever the rest of us decide.

[BillZBubb]

94. Putting words into my mouth is typical of a Hillary fanatic.

I never said I would stay home and not vote, although that is always an option.

As to your pathetic comment, you seem to think I need to endorse what you've decided with my vote.

And as far as being useless, tell that to the down ticket Democrats who could use my vote, genius.

[TeamPooka]

109. Ignorant assumption. check this post...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511117628

[HoosierCowboy]

88. Guess where the Candy comes out?

http://www.instructables.com/id/Donald-Trump-Candy-Dispenser/

[quaker bill]

91. Voting for the lesser of two evils

is just that. It is always better than doing nothing and allowing the greater evil a win. Voting is about a block away and takes 10 minutes, it is not sacred. Many things to me are sacred, voting is not one of them. I have always voted and never voted for a republican. I can never contribute to the furtherance of that sort of thinking.

[renie408]

93. Exactly

Thank you.

Cause if people think President Hillary doesn't suit them, just wait til they get a load of President Trump.

[renie408]

92. Grown ups don't pick up their toys and go home...

when things don't go their way.

Listen, people, saying "I will abstain" is pretty stupid this year. We need to CRUSH Trump.

Not beat him....CRUSH him. Cause this about a little bit more than Hillary not being liberal enough for you. This is about showing racist asshats that they can go fuck themselves. This is about showing the slimier people in this country that they are done.

This isn't about the lesser of two evils. This is about serious, REAL evil getting kicked in the balls.

[BillZBubb]

95. Cruz is the real evil. Trump not so much, he's a blowhard who could do some evil.

[seanjoycek476]

97. Trump is a lunatic

He must be stopped before he ends up destroying our country.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

98. It would be nice to be able to vote FOR something for a change instead of AGAINST something/someone.

[basselope]

103. Sorry, I don't vote for Republicans, even when they have D next to their name.