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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:15 AM Mar 2016

Military Admits Billion-Dollar War Toy F-35 Is F**ked

Officials are finally admitting the F-35 fighter has turned into a nightmare—but it’s too late to stop the $400-billion program now.
Way back in the early 2000s, the U.S. military had a dream. To develop a new "universal" jet fighter that could do, well, pretty much everything that the military asks its different fighters to do.

But the dream of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter turned into a nightmare. The program is six years behind schedule and tens of billions of dollars over budget. And now, 16 years after the JSF prototypes took off for their first flights, top officials are finally owning up to the trauma the $400-billion fighter program has inflicted on America's finances and war readiness.

In a remarkable period, beginning in February and lasting several weeks, senior officers and high-ranking bureaucrats finally publicly copped to the warplane program's fundamental failures.

But the timing of the military's mea culpa is ... interesting. For at the same time as the admissions of guilt, the F-35 was passing several bureaucratic milestones that make it more or less impossible to cancel. Too much money's already been spent. Too many well-established jobs are at stake. Too many F-35s are already rolling out of the factory.

The Pentagon can clear its conscience of the jet fighter's misdeeds because doing so is, at this late hour, consequence-free.

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Military Admits Billion-Dollar War Toy F-35 Is F**ked (Original Post) n2doc Mar 2016 OP
CANCEL the program Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #1
Because food stamp manufacturers don't finance reelection campaigns. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #10
Smart leaders know that sunk costs shouldn't be considered a reason to keep on keeping on. Scuba Mar 2016 #2
Now they just need to find some smart leaders. CentralMass Mar 2016 #3
Designed more than 20 years ago...it's already ancient technology. Atman Mar 2016 #4
"Billion-Dollar war toy?" If only. Orrex Mar 2016 #5
It won't be cancelled, even though it should be Lurks Often Mar 2016 #6
They should fire all those politicians nt Andy823 Mar 2016 #18
A lot of them are Democrats Lurks Often Mar 2016 #19
Famous aircarft in history. lpbk2713 Mar 2016 #7
Excuse me: The P-47 was called the Thunderbolt; The Mustang was the p-51 LongTomH Mar 2016 #12
Absolutely right. lpbk2713 Mar 2016 #13
I'd like to add the F-20, even though not many were built. kentauros Mar 2016 #20
The only surprise is taht they finally admit it. 2naSalit Mar 2016 #8
Should have watched Pentagon Wars... Wounded Bear Mar 2016 #9
Weapons programs now are like the wars themselves...Vietnam...Iraq...Afghanistan... Octafish Mar 2016 #11
It will never be canceled gratuitous Mar 2016 #14
Designing 101 - Complexity only when necessary. Oneironaut Mar 2016 #15
It will be good to hear the Republicans edhopper Mar 2016 #16
Maybe we could use them for an aerial version of demolition derby. KamaAina Mar 2016 #17
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
1. CANCEL the program
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:18 AM
Mar 2016

it is just good money after bad.

Why is it we never get anyone saying, "Oh, we can't cut food stamps. The program is rolling along and too many people's lives are at stake."?

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
10. Because food stamp manufacturers don't finance reelection campaigns.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:59 AM
Mar 2016

Fighter jet manufacturers do.

That's my guess, anyway.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. Smart leaders know that sunk costs shouldn't be considered a reason to keep on keeping on.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:27 AM
Mar 2016

Kill this monstrosity.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
4. Designed more than 20 years ago...it's already ancient technology.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:44 AM
Mar 2016

Just stop it. STOP IT! Why waist another penny, just because "too many well-established jobs are at stake? That makes no sense! No one ever once said that to a factory who was about to shut down and move all of it's production to China.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
6. It won't be cancelled, even though it should be
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:50 AM
Mar 2016

Too many politicians and too many countries have invested too much time, money and political capital into the F-35 to cancel the program.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
19. A lot of them are Democrats
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:42 PM
Mar 2016

I rather doubt Sen. Blumenthal & Sen. Murphy of CT would vote to cancel the F-35 program, it would cost United Technologies (Pratt & Whitney as well as other defense related companies) jobs and money and further CT's already fragile economy.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
12. Excuse me: The P-47 was called the Thunderbolt; The Mustang was the p-51
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:58 PM
Mar 2016

Both were remarkable aircraft, as my late Uncle, a former Air Force mechanic pointed out.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
20. I'd like to add the F-20, even though not many were built.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:51 PM
Mar 2016

The F-20 Tigershark was a superior plane killed by an inferior President. Reagan strikes again.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. Weapons programs now are like the wars themselves...Vietnam...Iraq...Afghanistan...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:59 AM
Mar 2016

We can't get out and give up after all that we've sacrificed in blood and treasure for their freedom, uh, independence, uh, opening up to capital markets.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
14. It will never be canceled
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:36 PM
Mar 2016

The manufacturer wisely spread out the contracts for the F-35 over something like 47 states. It will never be built, it will never fly, but it will never be canceled because that would mean that the Senators and Representatives of 47 states put the country's interests above that of their constituents, and that's not the way the U.S. rolls. Budget deficit hawks, who come out of hibernation whenever there's a Democrat in the White House or when someone proposes that a few million dollars in the budget be redirected to help ordinary citizens, never EVER mention the F-35, and the popular media know far better than to bring it up to them.

Ain't that America somethin' to see?

Oneironaut

(5,512 posts)
15. Designing 101 - Complexity only when necessary.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:51 PM
Mar 2016

If you try to load everything up and pave it with gold, prepare for disaster. Sometimes, simplicity is good. This seems to be a case of trying to create a god-like fighter without examining whether or not it was actually feasible. Now, they're making the classic mistake of believing that they're committed because they spent so much time and resources on a constantly creeping project. There comes a point where it's time to let a disastrous project die.

edhopper

(33,597 posts)
16. It will be good to hear the Republicans
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:57 PM
Mar 2016

come out and blast this as Government waste and vote to curtail the program.








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