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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 03:10 PM Mar 2016

Russian 'Rambo' Wipes Out ISIS Thugs By Calling Airstrike On Himself When Surrounded By Jihadi Force

A brave Russian special forces soldier who was on a Rambo-style one man mission to hunt for ISIS militants died a "hero" after calling in an airstrike on HIMSELF.

The fearless officer was directing Russian airstrikes at Islamic State targets near the ancient city of Palmyra in Syria when he was surrounded by terrorists.

Not prepared to go down without a fight, he ordered military officials to drop bombs on his location and died in the blast.

A spokesperson for the Russian military said: "An officer of Russian special operations forces was killed near Palmyra while carrying out a special task to direct Russian airstrikes at Islamic State group targets."

"The officer was carrying out a combat task in Palmyra area for a week, identifying crucial IS targets and passing exact coordinates for strikes with Russian planes.

"The officer died as a hero, he drew fire onto himself after being located and surrounded by terrorists."

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/russian-rambo-wipes-out-isis-7626914

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Russian 'Rambo' Wipes Out ISIS Thugs By Calling Airstrike On Himself When Surrounded By Jihadi Force (Original Post) Purveyor Mar 2016 OP
A very brave man. Russian Special Forces COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #1
Yep. 840high Mar 2016 #4
How do we know the Russian air attacks were any more correct in their targeting than US have been? Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #2
Or, A Cover Up For Friendly Fire? TomCADem Mar 2016 #3
For some it might but at least he selected his method of death instead of letting IS do it for him. Purveyor Mar 2016 #5
Assuming the report is actually true. I do not. I think it is more hype. Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #6
Of course it isn't true. Nothing is true. Never believe anything, Purveyor Mar 2016 #12
.. Liberal_in_LA Mar 2016 #14
You assume he actually existed and that Russian media would have access to accurate Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #16
Let's do the math. highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #37
Common in WWII and Korea in the US Army 1939 Mar 2016 #8
here's one Ex Lurker Mar 2016 #23
A friend was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross for this in Vietnam pinboy3niner Mar 2016 #40
Sounds like it rockfordfile Mar 2016 #7
You haven't served on the front lines have you. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #43
Doesn't it show at least we have a common goal? Pauldg47 Mar 2016 #9
John R. Fox was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor for doing this in WWII Kaleva Mar 2016 #10
cool story. KG Mar 2016 #11
More pro-Russian BS propaganda stories! oberliner Mar 2016 #13
It's generally considered to be a left wing newspaper. CJCRANE Mar 2016 #15
Left wing tabloid, sorry oberliner Mar 2016 #19
Absolutely garbage, but recognisably left-wing garbage rather than right-wing garbage. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #35
Yeah, nobody ever does anything, or something. linuxman Mar 2016 #17
If a US military spokesman put out a similar story, it would be seen as dubious oberliner Mar 2016 #20
It most certainly is happening here. ronnie624 Mar 2016 #41
Fair enough oberliner Mar 2016 #46
You might not like Putin, but there is nothing wrong with the Russian people Flaxbee Mar 2016 #27
Who said anything bad about the Russian people? oberliner Mar 2016 #28
Well, that includes Russian people - the military and journalists. Flaxbee Mar 2016 #30
I think folks here are often skeptical of statements from US military spokespeople oberliner Mar 2016 #31
Unlike Putin, man of few w Mar 2016 #18
Could just be propaganda, but it could very well be mostly accurate. PersonNumber503602 Mar 2016 #21
Or another Pavlik Morozov. Igel Mar 2016 #22
Malheur Morans call in Snacks on their position. PeoViejo Mar 2016 #24
No, they got tampons and old porn videos, though. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #26
War is stupid. nt valerief Mar 2016 #25
Absolutely. ronnie624 Mar 2016 #42
Yeah but Rambo survived at all costs, so this guy is not so much Rambo Rex Mar 2016 #29
Olgivy probably isn't a common name in Russia. nt awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #32
Brave man FLPanhandle Mar 2016 #33
The Russians learned in Astan. DashOneBravo Mar 2016 #34
Precisely PaddyIrishman Mar 2016 #36
This. BerningForYou Mar 2016 #38
Old British Saying gladium et scutum Mar 2016 #44
some suicide attacks are bad; others are good MisterP Mar 2016 #39
A suicide attack on Hitler would have been good Democat Mar 2016 #45
dead heros can't tell their own story. Sunlei Mar 2016 #47
yet IS leader gets to drive out, untouched & USA drone has to take him out before he leaves Syria Sunlei Mar 2016 #48
I'm not buying it. bluedigger Mar 2016 #49

Ford_Prefect

(7,895 posts)
2. How do we know the Russian air attacks were any more correct in their targeting than US have been?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 03:30 PM
Mar 2016

How many civilians have been murdered by the air attacks supposedly aimed at ISIS?

I don't advocate here for ISIS or for tolerance of their horrible reign of terror. I do ask about the so-called effectiveness of the bombing campaigns and who was actually targeted and hit.

I don't believe the hype from the Russians any more than I do that from the War Hawks in DC, Riyadh, Doha, Damascus, Ankara or Jerusalem.


 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
5. For some it might but at least he selected his method of death instead of letting IS do it for him.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 03:47 PM
Mar 2016

Ford_Prefect

(7,895 posts)
16. You assume he actually existed and that Russian media would have access to accurate
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 04:59 PM
Mar 2016

radio logs regarding his so-called activities. How much dis-information do you digest daily?

I don't disparage the possibility of the "noble warrior". I doubt very much he was present in this instance. Russian hype has been to paint the actions in Syria as patriotic and noble. Since they have a long documented history of misrepresenting facts regarding field missions to favor their positions I have reason to doubt. Something like this kind of exaggeration for effect is SOP.

 

highoverheadspace

(307 posts)
37. Let's do the math.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:11 PM
Mar 2016

US supposedly conducting air strikes against ISIS for the past two years= ISIS gains 10 times the territory they previously held and make millions selling oil through Turkey.

Russia commences bombing of ISIS in Sept 2015 and achieves decisive victory over ISIS taking back most of the territorial gains within 6 months. Russia also exposes ISIS's Turkish oil sales while US State Department denies it is even taking place.


Meanwhile the King of Jordan just revealed in the Guardian UK today that Turkey is aiding ISIS. Link to that Guardian UK story. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141392328

1939

(1,683 posts)
8. Common in WWII and Korea in the US Army
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 04:23 PM
Mar 2016

Usually you are in foxholes and the bad guys are coming across open ground to overrun your position. Hopefully you survive and they don't but if you don't call in the fire, you are going to be dead anyway.

Ex Lurker

(3,813 posts)
23. here's one
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 05:50 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.stripes.com/polopoly_fs/1.332038.1425070204!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_490/image.jpg
Dak To, South Vietnam, June, 1966: Capt. William Carpenter, right, commander of the 101st Airborne Division's C Company, 2nd Battalion, 502nd Regiment, and 1st Lt. William Jordan talk about their company's recent close call in escaping from near-encirclement by North Vietnamese forces. Carpenter, a football All-American and team captain at West Point, called for a napalm strike on his own position that enabled his troops to set up a defensive perimeter and eventually break free. His actions earned him his second Silver Star of the war. Carpenter eventually turned down pro football offers and made the military his career; he retired as a general officer.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
40. A friend was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross for this in Vietnam
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:27 AM
Mar 2016

He was commanding a company of the 1st Cav when it was overrun and he called in fire on his own position. Many of his men died, and all of the survivors were wounded. He was severely wounded himself, and his First Sergeant died in his arms with all of his limbs blown away. The Army investigated him to determine if he had acted properly. He was cleared and was awarded the DSC.

I knew him on a subsequent tour when he was commanding the Security Guard Detachment that guarded HQ U.S. Army Vietnam and the General Officers' compound at Long Binh. Every man in the detachment was a hand-picked combat vet, including the commander.

One thing I remember about him is that he had two shaving kits filled with all the meds he had to take as a result of his injuries.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
10. John R. Fox was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor for doing this in WWII
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 04:35 PM
Mar 2016

"John Robert Fox (May 18, 1915–December 26, 1944) was an American soldier who was killed in action when he deliberately called for artillery fire on his own position, after his position was overrun, in order to defeat a German attack in the vicinity of Sommocolonia, northern Italy during World War II. He posthumously received the Medal of Honor in 1997, for willingly sacrificing his life.[1]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Fox

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. More pro-Russian BS propaganda stories!
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 04:51 PM
Mar 2016

It's amazing how quick some are to believe a "Russian military spokesperson" in a press release from the state-run Russian news agency TASS, eagerly repeated by right-wing UK tabloids like the Mirror.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
15. It's generally considered to be a left wing newspaper.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 04:57 PM
Mar 2016

"The paper has consistently supported the Labour Party since the 1945 general election".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mirror

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
19. Left wing tabloid, sorry
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 05:14 PM
Mar 2016

Here are the lead stories on their homepage:

The Voice star Beth Morris forced to quit hit show amid drugs scandal allegations

Air steward looks like Barbie’s Ken after spending £305,000 on 42 plastic surgery ops

Stephanie Davis is 'looking forward to a new chapter' after being dumped

Niall Horan sends fans into meltdown as he casually rides the Tube

http://www.mirror.co.uk

Garbage.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. If a US military spokesman put out a similar story, it would be seen as dubious
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 05:15 PM
Mar 2016

The same scrutiny should apply to a statement by a Russian military spokesman, if not more.

Yet, that doesn't seem to be happening here for some reason.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
27. You might not like Putin, but there is nothing wrong with the Russian people
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 06:20 PM
Mar 2016

So don't apply your anti-Russian leadership mindset to the Russian people. That kind of crap is what allowed and perpetrated the Cold War, which our military seems to be trying to kick-start.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
28. Who said anything bad about the Russian people?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 06:27 PM
Mar 2016

I am just saying that it is ridiculous how a press release from a Russian military spokesperson is uncritically accepted as fact.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
30. Well, that includes Russian people - the military and journalists.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 06:32 PM
Mar 2016

I know several Russian journalists and they're not pushovers.

And you can easily say the exact same thing about our journalists here. It is not easy (nor often done) to criticize US military spokespeople...

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
31. I think folks here are often skeptical of statements from US military spokespeople
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 06:37 PM
Mar 2016

I am just saying that same skepticism does not seem to be being applied here.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
21. Could just be propaganda, but it could very well be mostly accurate.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 05:34 PM
Mar 2016

I recall awhile ago watching a documentary about some US forces in Iraq. Some special forces team was pinned down and surrounded by enemies, and they basically called in airstrikes directly over them. Some of them were wounded in it, but were not killed. But it could have went much worse for them if the pilots were off just a little.

It seems very plausible that this Russian soldier could have died during a similar situation. Do they spin it a bit? Maybe. But that's nothing unusual. Either way, the solider was killed fighting ISIS and I think he deserves to be honored for that. I'm not going simply assume it's all bullshit just 'cause it's Russia. If some evidence of it being completely fabricated comes out, then by all means go after it, but until then I'm going assume it's at least somewhat based on reality.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
22. Or another Pavlik Morozov.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 05:47 PM
Mar 2016

If the truth isn't enough, you have to invent it. It's the Soviet and KGB way. But real or invented, it's still the truth (tm).

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
42. Absolutely.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:18 AM
Mar 2016

This type of story is perfect for aiding in the manufacture and maintenance of consent from an uncritical, unquestioning populace.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
29. Yeah but Rambo survived at all costs, so this guy is not so much Rambo
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 06:30 PM
Mar 2016

as someone that knew he was shit out of luck.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
33. Brave man
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:24 PM
Mar 2016

He was doomed if the terrorist got him or if the bombs hit his position.

Poor guy but at least he took some of the terrorists with him.

DashOneBravo

(2,679 posts)
34. The Russians learned in Astan.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:44 PM
Mar 2016

Not to get captured by these guys.

There are several instances of Russsian troopers killing themselves with mines and taking many of the Mujahideen with them.

Rest in peace

PaddyIrishman

(110 posts)
36. Precisely
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:28 PM
Mar 2016

If my choices were

(1) get captured by the guys that burnt a Jordanian pilot alive in a cage

Or

(2) call in an air strike and take as many of the head hacking scum with me

I'd go (reluctantly) for option two. Neither are palatable but one is less horrific than the other.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
45. A suicide attack on Hitler would have been good
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:17 AM
Mar 2016

Is it difficult to see a difference between a suicide attack on unsuspecting civilians and one on terrorist trying to kill you?

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
49. I'm not buying it.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:20 AM
Mar 2016

Why would the Russians send out an officer by himself for this mission? And why preserve his anonymity posthumously? It sure is a great story, though, in the finest Soviet Patriotic Tradition.

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