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angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
1. It is easy for me to say "so they should" but it is like fighting with hand guns against war planes
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:02 PM
Mar 2016

The people have no chance of winning, just of being killed enmass

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
2. Well, to be clear, he was talking about all sides of the conflict.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:05 PM
Mar 2016

He basically said that he doesn't so much care which their cause is, just that they stay and fight it out.

The funny thing is, he is generally a good guy (never a NSDAP member). I guess there is just some things his generation will never stop believing (he served in the Wehrmacht during WWII).

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
8. Except those "heros" were still traitors. Call them what you want they
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

were still trying to overthrow the government of the United States of America.

They can go to hell as far as I am concerned. Actually they already have.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
11. Well considering it was a war of Confederate Aggression, I see it
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:17 PM
Mar 2016

more as treason. The intent was to preserve their rules on slavery, and they were intent on shutting down the United States government, by any force needed.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
12. They were traitors as soon as they decided to fight against
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:19 PM
Mar 2016

the legal government of the United States of America.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
14. not to seem like I'm critizing you too harshly...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:56 PM
Mar 2016

The German Army or the Wehrmacht was a totally different entity from the SS. The SS were the ones that did the genocide and were the ardent believers of Hitler. Hitler at several points had a difficult time reigning in the Wehrmacht and never trusted his generals.

The Wehrmacht, for the most part, were just normal soldiers like the guys in our Army. I'm sure there were some exceptions, but then again I'm sure there were some exceptions on our side too. I was stationed in Germany from 2003-2007 and I on several occasions attended veterans and memorial day events there. Many of the people who showed up to our events happened to be German WWII veterans. Soldiers are soldiers. Aside from the ardent idealist, we both face similar hardship regardless of the side we fought on.

I will say from my own combat experiences that I have a mutual respect for a majority of the guys on the other end of my rifle. Those guys were fighting me because they believed they were doing the best thing for their communities and their people. They may have been poor and uneducated and manipulated by their leaders, but for the most part they were doing what they thought was the right thing. Not to stray too far off from my point, as soon as you realize that you aren't that different from the guys on the other side it becomes harder to shoot them. Those guys are someone's son, brother, or loving uncle. They could even be good fathers and providers like I would like to think I am.

no_hypocrisy

(46,104 posts)
5. That was the story for one of my maternal great grandfathers.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:20 PM
Mar 2016

He lived in Russia and hated the Tsar. He became an ardent socialist. When the Tsar attempted to draft him to fight World War I, he ran to the U.S. for that reason alone.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
15. He leaves no room for someone who doesn't have a side.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:59 PM
Mar 2016

The ones who just want to live in peace are usually the first to go.

ck4829

(35,076 posts)
17. Ones that left Iraq... should they have also fought the US when it invaded Iraq?
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:02 AM
Mar 2016

In Syria... should they fight for a dictator that doesn't represent them?

Should they fight against Russian jets? American armed militants? Daesh fighters who will kill them and their families?

Where does it end?

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