Chemical Glyphosate (GMO handmaiden) found in California Wines

[AxionExcel]

Researchers have already found the toxic herbicide glyphosate (which is used in conjunction with over 80% of GMO crops) in beer and tampons, and of course in human bodies. Now they have also found the foul, toxic glorp* infesting California wines.

As it happens, the industrial ag farmers spraying toxic glyposate all over kingdom come have even polluted nearby organic vineyards to a degree. The contamination of conventional wine was 28 times higher than organic wine.

No doubt the vast, well-funded War on Clean Food and Drink (aka War on Organics or Organic Hippie Punching) campaign will attempt to use this as propaganda to allege that clean, organic food is just as f*cked up as the Product that issues from Corporate Industrial GMO-Chemical-Pharmaceutical Conglomerates, Inc.

WARNING: Do not swallow the Industrial Glyphosate PR which systematically infest the Intertubes, the way the chemical toxin glyphosate systematically infests GMO fields, and then drifts into the rest of the world, including our bodies.

http://ecowatch.com/2016/03/27/monsanto-glyphosate-wine/

[Dr Hobbitstein]

1. .

[AxionExcel]

2. Drink deeply, my friend, and enjoy your derisive laughter while it lasts

[trotsky]

58. ...

"But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." -- Carl Sagan

[AxionExcel]

110. BREAKING: European Environment Commission votes against GLYPHOSATE

This just in. No doubt the glyphosate pro faction will trash the source and deride this as 'woo' - their standard boilerplate systematic response to any reality they cannot abide.

But doggone it, this also is fact. It really happened. Just this week. Corporate media has no interest in this kind of truth. The glyphosate-GMO pros will no doubt also label Europeans as 'STUPID' following the lead of Republican role model Donald Trump.

But fair-minded observers will see that this is simply a factual news report about government officials actually taking seriously the health and well being of the people they serve, rather than the financial profitability of the chemical-GMO-pharmaceutical Industrial Ag Corps, Inc.
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"The European Commission “should not renew the approval of the herbicide substance glyphosate on the EU market”, voted the European Parliament’s Environment Committee on 22 March ARC2020 reports.

"The European Parliament’s Environment Committee (ENVI) passed a resolution on Tuesday by 38 votes to 6, with 18 abstentions which objects to the Commission’s plans to approve the controversial substance in June of this year, for a further 15 years.

In a statement the Committee said “So long as serious concerns remain about the carcinogenicity and endocrine disruptive properties of the herbicide glyphosate, which is used in hundreds of farm, forestry, urban and garden applications, the EU Commission should not renew its authorisation. Instead, it should commission an independent review and disclose all the scientific evidence that the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) used to assess glyphosate, said Environment Committee MEPs on Tuesday”, Oliver Moore (WHES2016) reports."

http://organic-market.info/news-in-brief-and-reports-article/glyphosate-european-environment-commission-votes-against-approval.html

[trotsky]

111. EU report declares glyphosate herbicides safe despite UN results

http://www.dw.com/en/eu-report-declares-glyphosate-herbicides-safe-despite-un-results/a-18847421

I'd rather wait and let science do its job than scream and promote fear-mongering.

You may have the last scream... I mean word.

[vkkv]

6. Um, why are you laughing?

Seems like a very odd response..

[Dr Hobbitstein]

7. Because EcoWatch is a woo site.

Full of anti-vaxxers and other forms of pseudo-science.

[AxionExcel]

13. Scientific American: Glyphosate Proves Deadly to Human Cells

More "woo," according to the GMO-glyphosate pros; more damning evidence, according to sensible human beings - GMO-glyphosate cons - especially those with children.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/weed-whacking-herbicide-p/

[Dr Hobbitstein]

17. Link to the study that the article is quoting?

There doesn't appear to be one in the article, just an article in a pop science magazine that has no citations.

Also
Graphics with random text are not factual. If you want to discuss science, try using actual scientific research. Not graphics from the internet or uncited articles in pop-science magazines.

[petronius]

43. The article I suspect is talking about this, from 2009:

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/tx800218n

The graphic is almost certainly based on this:

http://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/detection-of-glyphosate-residues-in-animals-and-humans-2161-0525.1000210.php?aid=23853%2522%253Estudy%255B/url

The former is behind a paywall except for the abstract; the latter is available full-text, and--to put it politely--somewhat questionable...

[Dr Hobbitstein]

45. So, once again...

A nothing burger.

[HuckleB]

46. As noted below, yes, it's Seralini.

[HuckleB]

19. And Seralini and his "school" gets another mention.

[Major Nikon]

23. Predictably

This one is really on a roll today. Channeling anti-vax, homeopathy, and Seralini all in one thread. That's got to be some kind of record, even for here.

[HuckleB]

24. It appears to be a daily mantra, lately.

Apparently shouting "BE AFRAID!" is all one must do to be just and righteous.

[AxionExcel]

37. I'm sure you would agree that someone needs to balance the steady, systematic War on Organics

Or are you anti-fairness as well as anti clean, wholesome food?

Oh, and why are you so afraid of facts? Facts are actually your friend. You might want to look into that.

[HuckleB]

38. "War on Organics!" "War on Christmas!" "War on Easter!"

LOL! Yup, the silly pseudoscientific hyperbole continues ad nauseum, with full support of every unethical piece of fiction-based marketing propaganda the organic marketing machine promotes.

Yawn.

But you don't recognize how badly your Seralini-style hyperbole is backfiring. So keep going!



PS:

12 highly toxic pesticides approved for use in organic farming
https://risk-monger.blogactiv.eu/2015/11/12/the-risk-mongers-dirty-dozen-12-highly-toxic-pesticides-approved-for-use-in-organic-farming/

[AxionExcel]

65. More alleged 'woo' from WHO (World Health Organization)

Kind of a pity that the GMO pro advocates cannot accept independent science. Perhaps they are guzzling too much glyphosate-infested beer or wine? Dangerous crud, that.

http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Monographs/vol112/

[HuckleB]

66. EFSA looks at all the evidence and says that glyphosate poses no carcinogenic risk.

http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/press/news/151112

Meanwhile, alcohol, which is abundant in wine, is a carcinogenic substance, no questions asked.

PS:

http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-carcinogenicity-classification-of-five-pesticides-by-the-international-agency-for-research-on-cancer-iarc/

http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pages/glyphosate-whats-the-lowdown.html

https://risk-monger.blogactiv.eu/2016/03/21/iarcs-unprofessional-and-unethical-behaviour-time-to-retract-their-glyphosate-monograph/

Meanwhile, "Mr. I Love Organic" doesn't give a rip about these:

12 highly toxic pesticides approved for use in organic farming
https://risk-monger.blogactiv.eu/2015/11/12/the-risk-mongers-dirty-dozen-12-highly-toxic-pesticides-approved-for-use-in-organic-farming/

[Major Nikon]

75. Why can't you just accept the "science" of Seralini rat studies?

Pointing out that you and virtually every regulatory and scientific advocacy organization on the planet agree isn't helping. If you aren't getting your information from sources that claim vaccines and water fluoridation causes autism or water has a memory, you just don't know what you're talking about.

[lagomorph777]

118. Now Monsanto is genetically engineering the English language - "woo"

What a pile of shit.

Monsanto, take your shills and fuck off. Your "science" is at the same level of credibility as Big Oil's climate denialism and Big Tobacco's murderous campaign of lies.



?itok=ywaMVG8k

[Dr Hobbitstein]

120. Woo.

You promote it. Woo.
Pictures of doctors in ads for cigarettes is called advertising. The science, at the time of those ads, was actually against smoking.
FriendsOfScience.org (the billboard) are not in an way scientific (they are global warming denialists). And once again, graphic memes are in no way whatsoever informative, nor do they cite credible information.

If you'd quit panicking, and put down the tinfoil for a minute to read a couple actual research documents in reputable publications, you might actually learn something.

Now, I'm off to Monsanto/BigPharma/DNC/DLC/3rdWay/HRC/DWS/ABC/TGIFRIDAYS/LMNOP to pick up my shill check.

[lagomorph777]

121. Have a glass of glyphosate while you're there.

Because it's good for you.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

124. Glyphosate?

That's my favorite drink!

Thanks, kind woo peddler!

[HuckleB]

123. Anti-GMO activists are the ones practicing “tobacco science”.

http://fafdl.org/blog/2015/05/19/anti-gmo-activists-are-the-ones-practicing-tobacco-science/

PS:

If I Were a Food Activist

Read more http://www.nurselovesfarmer.com/2014/11/food-activist/

[Major Nikon]

9. Because you can't make shit up this funny

Let's just forget for a moment that this dubious site is channeling obviously bullshit mongers like Mom's Across America.

Let's forget that they are also channeling the widely discredited organic-shill Seralini.

Let's forget they are further channeling Monika Krüger who has to pay well known junk science purveyor OMICS to publish her nonsense.

Let's also forget that the European Food Safety Authority's commissioned study on the IARC's determination of glyphosate as a "probable carcinogenic" found it to be complete bullshit.

Let's forget that the lab used is the favorite of the organic industry shill, Henry Rowland, and evidently isn't certified for accuracy by anyone.

Let's also just go with the highest tested level out of all the samples tested (by far) of 18.74 PARTS-PER-BILLION and completely forget the EPA standard for drinking water is 700 PARTS-PER-BILLION.

The really, really, funny part is California wine typically contains 14-18% ethanol, which is listed by the IARC as definitely carcinogenic, as opposed to 18.74 PARTS-PER-BILLION of something the IARC says is probably carcinogenic (not).

In other words, the chemophobic bullshit mongers, Moms Across America, are actually worried about completely insignificant levels of a lesser "poison" contaminating significant levels of a much greater "poison".

[vkkv]

12. You seem to know a lot about it. Do you work for a chemical company? Just wondering.. eom

[Major Nikon]

20. Oh noes! The shill gambit. Who could have ever foreseen that one coming?

Even though it raises it's silly head in every single thread where someone is busted for posting woo.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shill_gambit

[vkkv]

25. No, not my intention, I was genuinely wondering how it is you know so much about ALL of the info

on chems in wine, Ecowatch, and the other orgs that you so neatly strung together..

[Major Nikon]

26. Sure, because this is absolutely the first time anyone has ever posted such woo on DU

..or anywhere else for that matter.



Stick around long enough in this thread and I'm sure you'll also be treated to rock solid sources like NaturalNews, OCA, and Mercola. You'd be surprised what you learn on DU. Before long you already know what tactics certain posters use because they just aren't that original.

Transparency pages are also a great source of information. Not sayin' you, but you know, just sayin'.

[vkkv]

30. I see... An observation: Stalking is a life-style reality for some.... eom

[vkkv]

27. So, you can't provide an actual answer then? Very, very weird.. eom

[Major Nikon]

31. You can always just call me names and then go stomping off with your ball

Although that behavior has it's own pathology.

[vkkv]

33. I haven't done that, I was only asking how you come to know so much about the chems in wine

and were able to string together all of the info. It would appear to be written by someone who works for a chemical company. The more you avoid, the more likely it seems so.

[Major Nikon]

36. Seriously? More shill gambit gibberish?

Yes! You are absolutely correct! I'm so busted as being part of the vast conspiracy you fear the most!

Who could have ever possibly imagined our totally secret plot to destroy humanity would have been discovered so easily.





Please do continue. Soon there won't be a dry eye in the house. Oh wait! That line has already been worn out by countless posters before you. Nevermind.

[vkkv]

39. Good grief! You've gone to a lot of trouble to prove your emotional instability here. Getting waaay

too scary for me.

Goodbye and please get some help.

[Major Nikon]

41. Wow, a personal attack and stomping off with your ball

Who could have ever predicted that?

[HuckleB]

32. Why would you ask specifically if he worked for a chemical company?

Especially considering that you "recommended" the OP. The OP has been shown to FOS propaganda. Now you appear to be playing the shill gambit. You do realize that many people actually want to be informed, right? And they question things, right? And so they learn how to think critically, how question, how to understand actual research, what things like a scientific consensus mean, how to recognize woo, etc... That doesn't mean they work for a chemical company.

It means they care about the world.

It's time to apologize. Will you? The right thing to do is in front of you. Can you do it?

[pbmus]

53. They get paid by chemical to debunk science ...

[AxionExcel]

63. Alas, you are right. GMO chemical corps have substantial PR Spin cadres

We see evidence of that all the time on the Intertubes. Of course it's purely a coincidence that the puny 8% minority of citizens who don't want to know what's in their food have found their way to DU and are so religiously systematic in promoting their IGNORANCE IMPERATIVE (the notion that the 92% of Americans who are wanting knowledge about what's in your food makes you STUPID, a strategy modeled by Donald 'Stupid' Trump, and employed systematically hereabouts). But it's purely coincidence.

GMO-glyphosate Spin PR, Inc: http://usrtk.org/seedybusiness.pdf

[HuckleB]

64. Is someone talking to and about himself?

Hmmmm.

[Major Nikon]

67. Water memory and autism caused by fluoridation. Science or bullshit?

Your thoughts please.

Meanwhile here's what those incredibly well informed alleged majority know about GMO, as if the anti-science crowd on DU weren't enough.

[snooper2]

115. After the stupid shit gets posted here enough you learn who the assholes behind it are...

[HuckleB]

15. +1,000,000 ... 000

And what's also funny is that these folks seem to want to go back to older, more toxic products.

http://www.crediblehulk.org/index.php/2015/06/02/about-those-more-caustic-herbicides-that-glyphosate-helped-replace-by-credible-hulk/

[AxionExcel]

21. Why are you dragging your STRAW MAN into the discussion?

Since you are having trouble dealing with facts and reality and feel the need to divert attention via a classic Straw Man gambit, you might consider the wisdom of silence, or perhaps returning to help stomp out clean food via the War on Organics.

[HuckleB]

22. No strawman.

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You don't get to run away from reality by shouting "strawman!"

It's part of the equation, like it or not.

Reality matters:

What does Chipotle’s switch to non-GMO ingredients mean for pesticide use?
http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2015/05/what-does-chipotles-switch-to-non-gmo-ingredients-mean-for-pesticide-use/

http://thefoodiefarmer.blogspot.com/2015/06/spraying-isnt-dousing.html

http://www.nurselovesfarmer.com/2014/08/how-much-glyphosate-is-sprayed-on-our-crops/

http://www.foodinsight.org/pesticide-food-safety-farmer

12 highly toxic pesticides approved for use in organic farming
https://risk-monger.blogactiv.eu/2015/11/12/the-risk-mongers-dirty-dozen-12-highly-toxic-pesticides-approved-for-use-in-organic-farming/

[Major Nikon]

28. Strawman doesn't mean what you think it means

[Glassunion]

35. Bullshit... I don't give a Rat's ass what the EPA says. Remember,

They are the agency that said the air was safe to breathe in lower Manhattan following the 9/11 attacks.
They not once but twice spilled millions of gallons of toxic chemicals into Colorado/New Mexico rivers, then waited days to tell anyone.
They also ruptured a water line, and then contaminated a local creek on GA with toxic dirt.
They were also the very same agency that said the drinking water in Flint was ok to drink.
According to the agency, fracking is safe too...

So no... I will not listen to the EPA when they say that 700 parts per billion is ok, nor will I say that 18.74 parts per billion is good either. I will not budge when my highly refined pallet can taste glyphosate at around the 10.238 PPB mark, and at 11.144PPB it really affects the fruity nose of a Pinot Nior, and starts to take a giant shit on the sharpness of the tannins in a young Burgundy, and don't get me started on what happens to the acidic finish of a crisp white at the 12.018PPB mark.

[Major Nikon]

40. So you can taste the equivalent of 10 drops of a tasteless substance in a swimming pool

This is even funnier than the OP.



Feel free to include the glyphosate drinking water standard for any regulatory agency in the first world which comes within a cab ride of 18 ppb, not to mention that if you were drinking that much wine you'd have far bigger problems than glyphosate to worry about. Don't bother with the WHO, BTW, because they don't even consider glyphosate a big enough concern to establish a drinking water standard. I'm sure you'll just find some completely unrelated ad hominem attack on them as well. No reason to trust any regulatory agency in the world about anything, really.

[Glassunion]

42. I think your meter is broken...

[HuckleB]

50. You have to realize that your claims were not unusual in this context at DU.

The stuff the OP and other push is, unfortunately, of the same ilk, even though you appear to be saying it was satire.

[Glassunion]

54. I do have a refined pallet, and do loves me some wine...

However you could drop jalapeño-bluecheese diarrhea in a glass of wine at 800PPB and I would not taste it.

[petronius]

62. JBCD is probably the worst thing I've read on DU all week!

And I wouldn't be surprised if it was taste-able at 1 ppb, let alone 800...

[panader0]

108. A refined "pallet"

As a guy who gets concrete block delivered on pallets, I think you meant palate.
No offense...

[Glassunion]

114. lol!

Thanks!

[Major Nikon]

60. I just had it calibrated to NIST standards

If you wish to imply sarcasm, preceding it with irrelevant tripe about the EPA is probably not the best delivery method.

[Glassunion]

61. That's where you failed... You cannot use NIST standards.

The Derision Unit Manometer Base device is made in Bangladesh. Therefore one needs to use NABL standards.

When one is building a case to tare down with sarcasm; the truth, no matter the relevance to the current topic, is often a very high springboard in witch to launch oneself from for greater effect.

My post followed a classic formula for sarcasm: truth followed by utter and complete nonsense to mock a target... The folks at ecowatch.

[AxionExcel]

112. + 1

Chemical residue tastes like shit, never mind the impact it has on human health.

[Glassunion]

113. My post was sarcasm... At that level, no human can taste that residue.

You cannot discern the flavor of anything in those small quantities.

Denatonium is the most bitter chemical known to humans that I am aware of. It is an additive in shampoo, antifreeze, ect... to make them too bitter to prevent folks from consuming them.

Now, to give you an idea on the limitations of the human tongue (my ever-so-refined palate excluded) you would need to do the following.

Suppose you took 1 liter (1,000,000µl-microliters or 1,000,000,000nL-nanoliters) of the purest water and began to add Denatonium. The human tongue will not be able to discern the flavor of the Denatonium until about 0.05µl or 50nL. It is not until you get to around 10.0µl where it will become undrinkable. Now according to Post #9, we are talking about 18.74nL or 0.01874µl (at the most) of Glyphosate. This number is barely a hair over 1/3 of the numbers needed to taste the most potent bitter chemical known to man. So, in essence there is no human walking the planet that can taste even the most bitter chemical known to man, let alone this one.

If your wine tastes like shitty chemical residue, most likely you are just buying a shitty wine for your particular palate. Wineries and breweries add all sorts of additives to their products. For wine alone you have: sulfites, thiamine hydrochloride, tannin, copper sulfate, albumen, isinglass, trypsin, pepsin, casein, ect... Now some if this may sound scary, however it is quite normal, and natural.

I think the ancient Egyptians came up with the process of adding sulfites to their wine. This is actually a good thing. By adding sulfur dioxide (sulfites) to wine you are denaturing the enzyme Poly Phenol Oxidase... Boom! Your wine is now an antioxidant, and a tool in your body's fight against free radicals. Now the standard for this in most countries is to never add more than 350ppm to the wine. It is primarily used in wines made from late harvest grapes. However, if your wine is from older (late harvest) grapes that may have molds, more sulfites are added for the anti microbial properties. This can result in a flavor change if the numbers get high enough.

Thiamine hydrochloride - Simply a B vitamin added to feed yeast during the fermentation process.

Tannin - This is one of my personal favorites. I actually enjoy younger Bourgogne (Burgundy) wines for the sharp, crisp flavors that the tannins add to a wine. Now the seeds of the wine contain tannin, as well as oak barrels or chips when aging wine. It is one of the traits you look for in a wine that will age well. If a wine lacks in tannin, it will not improve with age.

Copper Sulfate - Gets rid of odors in the wine by removing sulfur. This has been said (not by me) to leave a tinny or metallic flavor in wine even though it is removed from the wine.

So, what you are thinking may be a chemical residue taste in your wine, may actually be a completely harmless, natural additive that was put in the wine, or the wine actually lacks an additive that may have balanced the flavor in a more pleasant way. I'm of the opinion that there is no such thing as a "good" or "bad" wine. I personally enjoy simple, younger wines 2012 - 2013 from Bourgogne France that go for about $25 a bottle. My wife on the other hand enjoys an older one 2006-2009 that goes for $54 a bottle. She raves about it, but it is nothing special to me, and I get more excited over a 2012. We did however have a '96 at a steakhouse that was orgasmic.

[Bonx]

8. Was it the 'moms across america' article source that set of your lollercoaster ?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

11. No, just seeing the link is from EcoWatch.

But looking at the article, there are partial scans of a graph that is from a lab that is not clinical and makes no guarantees about any accuracy, and there's a link to Seralini's MUCH discredited study, because hey... Let's keep pushing that turd over and over, no many times it's been discredited.

Nothing of substance, just the same old bullshit, recycled for the neophytes to lap it up.

[AxionExcel]

3. Widespread Glyphosate Contamination in USA

"The most comprehensive research to date on environmental glyphosate levels exposes the widespread contamination of soil and water in the US, as well as its water treatment system..."

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Widespread_Glyphosate_Contamination_in_US.php

[vkkv]

10. Nothing to chuckle about.. eom

[Person 2713]

78. No it is not .The EU isn't a laughing cow. Made a recent big move to get it out of Europe but now

this site has too many jesters to discuss the findings in Europe , but anyone can check it out
WOrld Health Org WHO,isn't some mom's blog either

[Major Nikon]

86. Care to discuss this finding in Europe?

Following a second mandate from the European Commission to consider the findings from the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) regarding the potential carcinogenicity of glyphosate or glyphosate-containing plant protection products in the on-going peer review of the active substance, EFSA concluded that glyphosate is unlikely to pose a carcinogenic hazard to humans and the evidence does not support classification with regard to its carcinogenic potential according to Regulation (EC) No 1272/2008.

http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/efsajournal/pub/4302

[Major Nikon]

16. Water remembers

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/WaterRemembers.php

[Dr Hobbitstein]

18. Hahah!

I love how all the sites that promote the anti-GMO movement also promote batshit woo.

[vkkv]

4. Which wines? Wines from where? Okay, got it.

""The wines tested came from Napa Valley, Sonoma and Mendocino counties in California. The brand names of the wines were not revealed, and frankly, the brands are not the issue. The real issue is the widespread contamination of glyphosate based herbicides in consumer products.""""

Okay, however, grapes are transported hundreds of miles to and from these affected areas. Some wine labels ship grapes from OUTSIDE of these areas TO these areas just so that the label can say "Bottled in Napa Valley" - but the grapes are from elsewhere.

And then on the other side, labels who bottle far from these areas also BUY grapes FROM these areas and bottle elsewhere but the label can say "Napa Valley Cabernet" or whichever varietal is at least 75% so give it it's proper name and/or "AVA" ( American Viticultural Areas) must be 85% from that area, except Calif. which must be 100% from a label claimed area. Wine labeled by varietal at least 75% of the grape must be of the varietal. In Oregon, the requirement is 90%. .. Pinot Noir, Cabernet Sauvignon, Chardonnay.. etc.

What a mess. Thanks Monsanto !!

[womanofthehills]

88. For those of us who care what goes into our bodies - some good GMO free choices

GMO-Free Beer

Peak Organic – Uses local, artisan, organic ingredients
Wolaver’s Fine Organic Ales – Vermont brewery dedicated to organic and sustainable agriculture.
Squatters Organic Amber Ale – Salt Lake City brewery location that uses premium organic pale, hops, and barley.
Organic Zwickel Bier Pale Ale – Organic and quality beer is at the heart of this family run brewery.

GMO-Free Wine

Biokult – Certified organic grapes
Tarantas – Certified organic sparkling whites and reds
Frey Vinyards – Strives to benefit “taste buds, planet, and the future generations”
Sofos – Leading importer of natural, organic wines in the Mediterranean.

[HuckleB]

91. Yup. Pound that carcinogenic alcohol!

But worry about safe GMOs.

Ummmmmmm.

http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2016/03/what-does-a-gmo-label-tell-you-about-herbicide-use/

[Major Nikon]

106. Orwell called it Doublethink

[HuckleB]

109. A rather brilliant human, that Orwell.

[Jitter65]

5. Better watch those herbs...including pot. nt

[Major Nikon]

14. In other EcoWatch "news", vaccines and flouridation cause autism

http://ecowatch.com/2015/11/01/cdc-vaccine-cover-up-autism/

http://ecowatch.com/2014/02/20/harvard-fluoride-toxic-children-linked-autism/

[Archae]

34. The funniest part is look who wrote that first link.

Mr "Autism Holocaust" himself, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

[Major Nikon]

68. Heroin is a helluva drug

[Archae]

81. I don't quite follow you here.

Is Kennedy a heroin addict? Or was?

[Major Nikon]

84. At least one or both

[Archae]

85. I did find this in the NY Daily News.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rfk-jr-drugs-teen-drove-2nd-wife-suicide-book-article-1.2362255

[pnwmom]

116. Glyphosphate is a PESTICIDE. You're comparing vaccines and flouride to poison.

That's telling.

[Major Nikon]

117. Strawman much?

Just kidding. Of course you do.

I'm pointing out the source is a well known purveyor of woo, but you already knew that.

[HuckleB]

119. It's always the same distraction techniques.

Oh, goodness.

[Humanist_Activist]

122. So is caffeine, and caffeine is more dangerous. N/t

[HassleCat]

29. Please stop trying to mislead people.

Glyphosate in a very widely used herbicide, and has been since the 1970s. It is not associated exclusively with GMOs. It is true that GMOs were developed to resist glyphosate, so they may be applied at heavier concentrations. If you want to make that point, that would be legitimate, but it is deceitful to imply that banning GMOs will result in ending glyphosate spraying. That is absolutely incorrect.

[AxionExcel]

44. Over 80% of GMO crops use glyphosate. That fact is absolutely correct

Straw men and ad hominem attacks are apparently the order of the day. I have no where called for banning GMOs or implied that banning GMOs would terminate glyphosate contamination. You are absolutely incorrect. It's deceitful make false accusations.

However, common sense suggests that if GMOs were somehow banned (unlikely, since so many Big Bucks, Inc are up to their noses in it) the ban would have a significant impact on the ocean of glyphosate now fouling the land and contaminating human food, beer, wine, tampons, and bodies.

I suggest you stop hurling false allegations, and inform yourself of the grim, toxic realities by reading the report from WHO (World Health Organization) http://sustainablepulse.com/2015/07/30/who-publishes-full-probable-human-carcinogen-report-on-glyphosate/#.VvrHRmOXd0d

[HuckleB]

49. More Seralini love!

[Major Nikon]

70. I guess you missed the part where the EFSA called bullshit

Not to mention the hilarity of the IARC classifying beverage based alcohol (you know, like wine) as a Group 1 carcinogen. In other words, you and your unimpeachable sources are actually having a conniption over your significant carcinogenic toxic wine being contaminated with statistically negligent, less toxic, and probably not carcinogenic glyphosate.

You can't make shit up this funny.

[vkkv]

47. They way I understood the post is that Glyphosate is the true poison here, not just GMO crops.

I've read enough legitimate pieces over the years to conclude that Glyphosate is very bad news.

[HuckleB]

48. Links?

Also, you do realize that the link in the OP is about glyphosate in wine. There are no GMO grapes, so the author of the OP is the one who decided to take this opportunity to disingenuously attack GMOs, yet again.

[vkkv]

51. Okay, I could come up with a big list, will Truthout.org suffice?

Have you heard of TruthOut? No? You should read it once in a while.


Monsanto's Herbicide Linked to Fatal Kidney Disease Epidemic

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/24876-monsantos-herbicide-linked-to-fatal-kidney-disease-epidemic-will-ckdu-topple-monsanto

Many more links at::

https://www.google.com/search?q=glyphosate+kidney+issues&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Next time, just Google stuff yourself because you probably aren't going to believe anyone anyway, right?

[HuckleB]

52. Really?

No, truth-out has shown itself to be very bad when it comes to science.

This is more of the same anti-science hyperbole that runs rampant on the Internet. Somehow the vilification of a single herbicide is always done in a vacuum, as well. These pieces never acknowledge the greater toxicity of the herbicides the product replaced. Organic propaganda never mentions the reality about organic herbicides, nevermind their toxicity. Why is that?

Reality: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/glyphosate-the-new-bogeyman/

These claims have never been backed up by good science. Ignoring the reality about the actual toxicity of glyphosate and promoting the usual fear mongering links is not helpful.

http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2015/03/glyphosate-and-cancer-what-does-the-data-say/

http://www.crediblehulk.org/index.php/2015/06/02/glyphosate-toxicity-looking-past-the-hyperbole-and-sorting-through-the-facts-by-credible-hulk/

[vkkv]

55. Sheeesh, there's no point in continuing with this argument.

Scientists are wrong about global warming, too.. right?

No more, please stop making My Posts tab light up.

[HuckleB]

56. Scientists are correct about climate change, GMOs, and the toxicity of glyphosate.

Why do agree with scientists on the first, but not the latter two?

How is it that you don't recognize bad cherry picked claims, while you ignore the mass of evidence to the contrary?

PS:

Why don't ever post about this issue?

12 highly toxic pesticides approved for use in organic farming
https://risk-monger.blogactiv.eu/2015/11/12/the-risk-mongers-dirty-dozen-12-highly-toxic-pesticides-approved-for-use-in-organic-farming/

[vkkv]

57. I rarely do this, but I'm adding you to my ignore list for a while. We aren't really

communicating here.

GW and Glyphsate are bad in my book, GMO's? I'm not yet sold either way.

Goddbye.

[HuckleB]

59. LOL! You're not communicating here, with me, or anyone else.

You don't care about the actual state of affairs. You have a preconceived notion, and you are going to go with that no matter what. Thus, you are not even trying to discuss anything.

In your posts above, you made ludicrous personal attacks upon another DUer. You had a chance to repair that, but you only doubled down.

Your behavior is dangerous to humans and the planet because you refuse to learn, to question, to attempt to understand. Those things are necessary to improve the world. Thus, you are part of the problem, and you're willing to run away in order to keep yourself from recognizing that.

[Major Nikon]

71. Very funny that one

I told him he was going to engage in personal attacks and take his ball home before he engaged in a personal attack and took his ball home, as if you couldn't predict such a "rare" occurrence from his transparency page.

[HuckleB]

73. Some things are all too predictable.

Still, nice prediction!

[Dr Hobbitstein]

69. What you appear to be missing is that MOST scientists agree on

Global Warming being bad, GMOs being good, and glyphosate being non-toxic if used correctly.

IOW, you are on the wrong side of science if you only believe them on global warming, but refuse to believe them re: GMOs and glyphosate.

[vkkv]

72. Science? Have you heard of TruthOut? No? You should read it once in a while.

Monsanto's Herbicide Linked to Fatal Kidney Disease Epidemic

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/24876-monsantos-herbicide-linked-to-fatal-kidney-disease-epidemic-will-ckdu-topple-monsanto

Many more links at::

https://www.google.com/search?q=glyphosate+kidney+issues&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

"" IOW, you are on the wrong side of science if you only believe them on global warming, but refuse to believe them re: GMOs and glyphosate.""

Um, no... There is not as YET overwhelming evidence against RoundUp use as there is for GW, however, perhaps at one time you were saying aloud just as many were, that Al Gore is full of BS... Remember those days? Have you apologized to Al Gore yet?

[HuckleB]

74. So no peer-reviewed studies, no follow-up studies, just propaganda.

Yeah, see that's the problem. Too much of the environmental movement has chosen to push fear of GMOs in order to raise money instead of caring about the actual science and the actual environment.

We have a big problem, and you are working to make it worse.

[Major Nikon]

76. Have you ever heard of Science, the most respected science journal on the planet?

They rejected the glyphosate-CDKu link 2 years ago.

Probably not since you get your information from google searches and Truthout.

[vkkv]

77. Two years ago ? What are they saying now?

April 2014 !!

Summary

Since 2002, researchers have reported that agricultural communities in the hot and humid Pacific Coast of Central America and southern Mexico have suffered a rising burden of chronic kidney disease (CKD) that has no obvious cause. Myriad theories have attempted to explain the factors behind what's called CKDu (the "u" is for "unknown" cause), with many researchers now convinced that heat stress and dehydration play a central role. But questions still outnumber answers, and intensive new research efforts promise to get to the bottom of this mystery.

[Major Nikon]

80. I find it hilarious you didn't even read your own source while asking if others had read it

Had you done so you would have discovered the study it referenced was dated two months before "April 2014 !!"

[vkkv]

89. Okay, MY TWO YEAR old piece vs, YOUR TWO YEAR old piece! Excerpts:

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/24876-monsantos-herbicide-linked-to-fatal-kidney-disease-epidemic-will-ckdu-topple-monsanto

Glyphosate was not originally designed for use as an herbicide. Patented by the Stauffer Chemical Company in 1964, it was introduced as a chelating agent. It avidly binds to metals. Glyphosate was first used as a descaling agent to clean out mineral deposits from the pipes in boilers and other hot water systems.

It is this chelating property that allows glyphosate to form complexes with the arsenic, cadmium and other heavy metals found in the groundwater and soil in Central America, India and Sri Lanka. The glyphosate-heavy metal complex can enter the human body in a variety of ways. The complex can be ingested, inhaled or absorbed through the skin. Glyphosate acts like a Trojan horse, allowing the bound heavy metal to avoid detection by the liver, since the glyphosate occupies the binding sites that the liver would normally latch onto. The glyphosate-heavy metal complex reaches the kidney tubules, where the high acidity allows the metal to break free of the glyphosate. The cadmium or arsenic then damages the kidney tubules and other parts of the kidneys, ultimately resulting in kidney failure and, most often, death.

At this point, this elegant theory advanced by Dr. Jayasumana and colleagues can only be considered hypothesis-generating. Further scientific studies will need to confirm the hypothesis that CKDu is indeed due to glyphosate-heavy metal toxicity to the kidney tubules. For the present, this may be the best explanation for the epidemic.

Another explanation is that heat stress may be the cause, or a combination of heat stress and chemical toxicity. Monsanto, of course, is standing behind glyphosate and disputing the claim that it plays any role whatsoever in the genesis of CKDu.

While the exact cause of CKDu has not been proven conclusively, both Sri Lanka and El Salvador have invoked the precautionary principle. El Salvador banned glyphosate in September 2013 and is currently looking for safer alternatives. Sri Lanka banned glyphosate in March of this year because of concerns about CKDu.

- - and the EU has banned RoundUP I'm pretty sure - - YES??


Geeezzzuzzz, get a life.

[Major Nikon]

92. So I guess two years old isn't so bad after all, eh?

And no, the EU didn't ban Roundup.

"get a life"? Seriously? Are you 12?

[vkkv]

93. Info for you>>>

Supermarkets and garden centres ban Roundup weedkiller suspected of causing cancer
Retail outlets across Europe are taking glyphosate – the main ingredient of Monsanto’s Roundup – off their shelves, despite government officials declaring it safe to use. ( Yes, we should ALL TRUST the gub'mnt!) http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/aug/07/supermarkets-garden-centres-weedkiller-ban-cancer-glyphosate-monsanto



http://theantimedia.org/more-european-countries-banning-glyphosate-monsantos-roundup/

June 24, 2105


The chemical giant Monsanto has been garnering lots of necessary backlash for their glyphosate products lately. There’s worldwide concern because Monsanto’s glyphosate-containing herbicides are known to cause cancer in animals and have been labeled likely carcinogenic to humans. Monsanto representatives are feeling the pressure — and even asked the World Health Organization to retract their study which hinted at glyphosate being a human carcinogen.

Two Switzerland based companies, concerned for public well being, are taking action into their own hands to protect the people and the environment. Swiss supermarket chains, Coop and Migros, decided to remove glyphosate products from being sold due to health risks. The Swiss markets also announced that they are exploring other non-toxic alternatives for weed control.



- - And no, I'm not 12 and you are not a Major Nikon, close but one word off.

[Major Nikon]

98. Do you have any info that remotely supports your assertion?

The EU never banned glyphosate.

Meanwhile:

Following a second mandate from the European Commission to consider the findings from the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) regarding the potential carcinogenicity of glyphosate or glyphosate-containing plant protection products in the on-going peer review of the active substance, EFSA concluded that glyphosate is unlikely to pose a carcinogenic hazard to humans and the evidence does not support classification with regard to its carcinogenic potential according to Regulation (EC) No 1272/2008.

http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/efsajournal/pub/4302

[vkkv]

100. Sorry. No sale! Welcome to my Ignore list. - eom

[Major Nikon]

102. Only please, please don't throw me into the briar patch!

Please actually do it this time instead of just pretending you did it.

[HuckleB]

95. Beware: You will be blocked by that poster if you show evidence.

Evidence is anti-discussion!

[Major Nikon]

97. Yeah, very telling that

Had he actually blocked you he wouldn't have even seen the sub-thread. Seems a bit pathetic to claim you put someone on ignore and then didn't actually do it.

[vkkv]

79. Why don't you just call me a name, grab your ball, go home and call it a day? -eom

[Major Nikon]

83. Because I'm not a boorish child. YMMV.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7722937

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=221074&sub=trans

[vkkv]

101. Look man, it's just my opinion okay, but perhaps a little time away from the computer will

do you some good.. Seems like you're losing it a bit here...

Take a break while I have you and Huck on full ignore.

Thank you and buh-bye.

[Major Nikon]

103. If you actually had him on ignore, how did you even see this sub-thread?

[HuckleB]

104. .

[Person 2713]

82. It is on plenty of non GMO also and has recently in the USA been applied to many crops right

before harvest so it is beyond GMO now . One used to think
GMO beets, so many would think oh no not buying beet sugar, I will get cane sugar products , but it is being sprayed on cane at harvest now
Wheat peas beans
http://roundup.ca/_uploads/documents/MON-Preharvest%20Staging%20Guide.pdf
But check out monsantos donations to US congress critters!!

[womanofthehills]

94. There is also a big problem with the "secret" additives to glyphosate - the synergists

the synergists added to the glyphosate are even worse than the glyphosate - usually some heavy metals added for good measure too.

An interesting fact on pesticides ( because they are often used in conjunction with herbicides) is that many pesticides alone will not kill the pest. Piperonyl butoxide is added so the pesticide can not be broken down by the insects. Piperonyl butoxide inhibits the detoxification of the pesticides by the insects - without this synergist, the insects would be able to metabolize the pesticide. Most pyrethians have this as an added ingredient making the pesticide look non toxic but Piperonyl butoxice is a group 3 carcinogen.

[HuckleB]

96. And another silly anti-GMO bit pops up out of nowhere.

[womanofthehills]

87. Glyphosate also found In Wastewater Discharge - it's in your streams too, folks!

Glyphosate is the most widely used herbicide in the world, and is widely used to control weeds in both agricultural fields and in urban and suburban settings. In 2002, USGS scientists sampled the wastewater discharged into streams from 10 wastewater treatment plants. Although the observed concentrations were small, these results are the first to demonstrate that the discharge from wastewater treatment plants serving urban areas is a source of glyphosate to streams. Samples were collected from the treated wastewater and from the stream water—both upstream and downstream of the wastewater discharge. Glyphosate was more frequently detected in the wastewater (27 percent) and in the downstream samples (20 percent) than it was in the upstream samples (12 percent). No detections were observed in two reference streams located in areas with little human influence. The discharge of the streams and the wastewater outfalls in this study were generally lower when compared to the discharge of the streams in a study of the occurrence of glyphosate in streams draining agricultural areas, so further research is needed to determine the relative loads (mass) of glyphosate from various sources.

http://toxics.usgs.gov/highlights/glyphosate_wastewater.html

[HuckleB]

90. Science is amazing.

It can detect almost anything at the smallest amounts.

Do you know what that means?

http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2016/03/what-does-a-gmo-label-tell-you-about-herbicide-use/

[Dont call me Shirley]

99. If our legislators had any balls, they would all out ban this deadly toxin and put Monsanto out of

business permanently.

[HuckleB]

105. Then they would have to ban all the more toxic "organic" products, too.

Whoops.

[Major Nikon]

107. Like salt and vinegar