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think

(11,641 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:21 PM Apr 2016

Goldman Sachs Finally Admits it Defrauded Investors During the Financial Crisis

You read that right. Goldman Sachs admitted it defrauded it's investors as part of their settlement....



Goldman Sachs Finally Admits it Defrauded Investors During the Financial Crisis

by Lucinda Shen - APRIL 11, 2016, 2:04 PM EDT

Goldman Sachs effectively admitted that it had knowingly misled investors to buy shoddy products.

Investment banking giant Goldman Sachs has agreed to a list of “facts” in addition to paying $5.1 billion to settle a lawsuit related to its handling of mortgage-backed securities leading up to the 2007 financial crisis, the U.S. Department of Justice announced Monday.

It’s a definite improvement on the DoJ settlements of a few years ago when Wall Street firms were able to get away with saying they “neither admit or deny the charges.” But it’s unlikely to quell critics that say the government hasn’t done enough to punish bankers in the wake of the financial crisis. Just like in past settlements, no individual bankers have been charged with wrong doing.

From 2005 to 2007, Goldman issued and underwrote many mortgages and securities that had been backed by residential loans borrowed by consumers with shoddy credit ratings. That helped tip the economy into recession after the housing bubble burst in 2007, leading to a tsunami of foreclosures and delinquencies. That caused billions of dollars in losses for investors. The settlement mentioned mortgage loans that had been originated by Countrywide, Fremont, and others. Countrywide was bought by Bank of America is early 2008. Fremont is no longer in business.

Goldman agreed to pay $2.39 billion in civil penalties, and another $1.8 billion in relief in the form of loan forgiveness and financing for affordable housing. An additional $875 million will be paid in cash to resolve claims from other federal and state entities.

“This resolution holds Goldman Sachs accountable for its serious misconduct in falsely assuring investors that securities it sold were backed by sound mortgages, when it knew that they were full of mortgages that were likely to fail,” said Acting Associate Attorney General Stuart F. Delery in a statement....

Read more:
http://fortune.com/2016/04/11/goldman-sachs-doj-settlement/

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Goldman Sachs Finally Admits it Defrauded Investors During the Financial Crisis (Original Post) think Apr 2016 OP
This is the company Hillary cheers onward??? n/t Herman4747 Apr 2016 #1
No doubt the penalty will be severe. Rex Apr 2016 #2
That fine probably hurt real bad. They might have a bad earnings report or something.... think Apr 2016 #4
Someone will be in trouble for not putting a cover sheet on their TPS report! Rex Apr 2016 #6
Not even a strongly worded letter. lonestarnot Apr 2016 #12
The Bastards need to be in prison. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #3
Can Hillary give speeches there? Politicalboi Apr 2016 #5
Lol! BeanMusical Apr 2016 #15
Just think they can write some of this "fine" off ...................................... turbinetree Apr 2016 #7
If you are operating a business 1939 Apr 2016 #17
I am not trying to sound crass.............................. turbinetree Apr 2016 #19
What is taxed 1939 Apr 2016 #21
Self delete. (Oops wrong forum. No politics here) FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #8
Goldman "sacks" is also heavily invested in . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #9
Sure hope this is all tax deductible! elljay Apr 2016 #10
So, will charges be brought and jail time served? If not, this is just for optics. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #11
Bank robber says he's sorry elmac Apr 2016 #13
And the people whose lives they help to destroy, well they just need to work harder and not be so .. slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #14
Kick and R BeanMusical Apr 2016 #16
What % did Clinton get? Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #18
If corporations are people, can we execute Goldman Sachs already? Initech Apr 2016 #20
K&R cprise Apr 2016 #22
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
6. Someone will be in trouble for not putting a cover sheet on their TPS report!
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:55 PM
Apr 2016

Nice timing with the Panama Papers release.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
7. Just think they can write some of this "fine" off ......................................
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:43 PM
Apr 2016

I wonder if I can write -off my next speeding ticket, running a red light, or making and illegal turn----------------off my taxes.
I know the fine print does not have it on the tickets-----------------------------but still..........................if you don't pay or you contest the ticket.........................hell you get a bench warrant, and then you have the court costs iff you contest the ticket.....................if you lose..................................but still...........................




Honk-------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016


1939

(1,683 posts)
17. If you are operating a business
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:44 AM
Apr 2016

If you are a landscaper and you get a ticket going from one job to the next in your work truck, you could write off a fine as a cost of doing business. If you are taking your wife out for dinner in the truck you can't. Corporations can write off fines as a business expense.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
19. I am not trying to sound crass..............................
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:06 AM
Apr 2016

and I understand fully what you are saying...............................

But the idea, of using the "corporation has a person" logic is just wrong.

I don't want to get into the weeds on this......................................but they broke the law and they should not be able to write - it off as a business expense-------------------this idea to shield themselves by invoking the company name is just wrong.

And this fine should be separate-------------------------what did the tax payer get out of this, did we get lower credit card rates, did we get homeowners back into there homes, that money (fine) should have been used to some relief to people from the profit that this blood sucking "corporation person hood made", ..................this is, I believe the second time they have been "fined"-------------------amazing



Honk----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

1939

(1,683 posts)
21. What is taxed
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:06 AM
Apr 2016

In a business is "profit" which is "income minus "outgo". Fines are "outgo" and decrease profit.

Now I think we could refine what is "outgo" because it includes things like depreciation and other items which really have no cash outgo. A lot of corporate tax avoidance comes into play with such things as R&D credits and mineral depletion allowances which should also get a closer look..

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
9. Goldman "sacks" is also heavily invested in . .
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:53 PM
Apr 2016

for-profit higher education - a gigantic scam backed by the taxpayers.

And banksters are also securitizing and selling student loans, with
tranches and derivatives soon to follow.

I kid you not, the financial predators refer to the vulnerable among us: the elderly, the young, the naive, the less educated as "low hanging fruit" ripe for the harvest. What scum.

The Prez can stop much of this on his/her own if he/she chooses.

We need Bernie !!

elljay

(1,178 posts)
10. Sure hope this is all tax deductible!
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:15 PM
Apr 2016

I'd hate for the execs to only take home a billion or two this year.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
13. Bank robber says he's sorry
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:06 AM
Apr 2016

and won't do it again, pays a small fine and all is forgiven. Boy, it must be nice living in the rich mans world.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
14. And the people whose lives they help to destroy, well they just need to work harder and not be so ..
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:17 AM
Apr 2016

stupid.



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