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kentuck

(111,103 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:26 PM Apr 2016

The Reagan and Clinton Backlash.

Most of today's so-called conservatives believe the "conservative revolution" began with Ronald Reagan in 1976, when he challenged Gerald Ford at their convention. When Reagan defeated Jimmy Carter in 1980, they were in hog heaven. And it smelled like a rose garden.

It was finally time to begin their revolt against liberal programs and the liberal Supreme Court. In every election since 1980, they have found reasons to continue to go farther and farther to the right. They had their issues which were set in concrete : abortion, gun rights, tax cuts, defense spending, etc. Each election they became more extreme until they finally crashed the system and were unable to keep their promises to their supporters.

In 2008, they lost their Tea Party supporters. However, with promises of change and demonization of the black guy in the White House, they were able to win back those Tea Party people in 2010 and also captured the House of Representatives by a huge margin, which they still hold.

By 2016, those discontented Republicans deserted the Republican Party in droves to support Donald Trump, who was anything but a "conservative". In fact, he had been supportive of liberal policies and Democratic candidates for many years. When Justice Antonin Scalia died, the "conservative revolution" was in it's death throes.

Bill Clinton came to power in 1992, by defeating GHWB, and by deserting a lot of liberal principles with the promotion of the DLC and their conservative ideas, such as NAFTA and welfare legislation and passage of the TeleCommunications Bill. Clinton and the Democrats in power believed that the Democrats could no longer win by pushing their liberal agenda. Liberals and progressives were pushed aside and told to vote for the candidate that could win the White House.

By 2008, with the nomination of Barack Obama, the DLC was set back to a large degree. He defeated Hillary Clinton to win the Presidency. However, the DLC was still in control of much of the Democratic establishment and Obama continued their trade policies and their defense policies, to a large degree. The first black President was hamstrung, not only by lingering DLC policies, but also, by the obstruction of lingering conservative loyalists. Under the circumstances, he made a lot of progress.

By 2016, Hillary was once again the favorite of the DLC and the Democratic establishment. Bill Clinton was one of her surrogates on the campaign trail. Many of the same supporters from Bill Clinton's presidency came back to help Hillary with her campaign. From the start, she was heavily favored to win the nomination.

But along came Bernie Sanders, a self-described Democratic Socialist, from Vermont. Young supporters from all across the country flocked to his rallies. He became a real threat to Hillary and DLC-supported Democratic establishment. He talked about a free public college education and raising the minimum wage to $15 dollar an hour. He said that we needed to break up the big banks and tax Wall Street speculation. He said we needed to invest in the infrastructure of this country and put millions to work rebuilding our nation.

Just as Donald Trump was the backlash to the Reagan conservative movement of the 1980's, Bernie Sanders was the backlash to the Clinton DLC'ers of the 1990's. No one knows where these movements are going to go but the desire for change is real.

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The Reagan and Clinton Backlash. (Original Post) kentuck Apr 2016 OP
It started with Goldwater katmondoo Apr 2016 #1
Bernie Sanders maxrandb Apr 2016 #2
Umm no. No more DINOs. We require a Dem who won't sell us out at the first opportunity like Clinton Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #6
K&R ReRe Apr 2016 #3
This article completely forgets the 2007 crisis Albertoo Apr 2016 #4
This: kentuck Apr 2016 #7
Relates to other issues, independent of the housing or derivatives bubbles Albertoo Apr 2016 #9
This.. kentuck Apr 2016 #10
Relates to the GOP credibility with its base Albertoo Apr 2016 #11
Hillary is still heavily favored to win the nomination. stopbush Apr 2016 #5
I trashed GD-P for a reason. trumad Apr 2016 #8

maxrandb

(15,334 posts)
2. Bernie Sanders
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:36 PM
Apr 2016

is not the only one who has said we need to invest in infrastructure, raise the minimum wage, make college more affordable and reign in Wall Street.

President Obama and Hillary Clinton, and a host of other Democrats have said the same, or have very similar proposals.

We need to ensure that two things happen in 2016

- Elect a Democrat to the White House

- Give them a Majority in Congress that can help them. Without this second thing, it doesn't matter whether it's Hillary or Bernie. We need to either wrest back control from the T-baggers, or make sure that if they obstruct, they pay a political price for it.

This election, more than any other, requires a straight Dem vote from President to local Dog Catcher IMHO

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
6. Umm no. No more DINOs. We require a Dem who won't sell us out at the first opportunity like Clinton
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:50 PM
Apr 2016

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
3. K&R
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:39 PM
Apr 2016

Excellent synopsis of the changes in the two parties since the 70s, Kentuck. The desire for change IS real. Everything seems to have come to a fierce rolling boil. Everyone needs to hold onto their hats and fasten their seat belts from here on through election day.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
7. This:
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:54 PM
Apr 2016

"Each election they became more extreme until they finally crashed the system and were unable to keep their promises to their supporters. "

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
9. Relates to other issues, independent of the housing or derivatives bubbles
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016
abortion, gun rights, tax cuts, defense spending, etc.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
5. Hillary is still heavily favored to win the nomination.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:43 PM
Apr 2016

She'll be more heavily favored after she wins the NY primary.

The Sanders revolution isn't happening and won't happen. Not a bad thing, as his revolutionary ideas lack even basic substance, as was embarrassingly revealed in his interview with the editorial board of the NYDN.

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