Chris Hedges: Revolution Is in the Air

[marmar]

from truthdig:


Revolution Is in the Air

Posted on Apr 16, 2016
By Chris Hedges



[font size="1"]Actress Rosario Dawson demonstrated Friday on Capitol Hill. (Pablo Martinez Monsivais / AP)[/font]


WASHINGTON, D.C—The sustained, daily civil disobedience at the Capitol by demonstrators denouncing the capture of our political system by corporate money is part of one of the largest and most important movements for social justice since the Occupy uprising. Join it.

Six hundred of the protesters have been arrested, and I was among 100 arrested Friday.

The protesters, organized by Democracy Spring, have converged on Washington from across the country. Young. Old. Black. White. Brown. Native American. Asian. Christian. Jew. Muslim. Buddhist. Atheist. From the left. From the right. Some marched for 10 days along a 160-mile route from Philadelphia to Washington.

On Friday, about a dozen protesters who had slipped into a tour group to get into the Capitol used zip ties to bind themselves to each other and to scaffolding inside the rotunda. They remained until they were arrested. In addition, scores of other protesters were taken away by police during the day.

“We the people demand a democracy free from the corrupting influence of big money and voter suppression,” they shouted. “We demand a democracy where every vote is counted and every voice is heard. Democracy Spring!” ..............(more)

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/revolution_is_in_the_air_20160416

[GOLGO 13]

1. She's pretty cute.

[lewebley3]

6. Protesters should attack the GOP: not the Dem's

[redruddyred]

10. because the democratic party has done nothing wrong ever nt

[lewebley3]

11. Dem's are not blocking the reform of citizens united

[redruddyred]

13. it's not always the republicans fault yo

lots of corporatists in our own party
i fear it may be too politically expedient for the hillary to hold onto her superpacs

[lewebley3]

15. It's mostly the GOP fault: The house in particular!

[redruddyred]

19. "mostly"

/=all

cmon i've got enough insults on my intelligence today, time for y'all to hold up your side of the argument

will agree that gop are corporatists c#nts. do also agree that some dems are benefitting from the law.

[lewebley3]

25. No one is benefiting from the law but billionaires that want to

control the country: its not a benefit to any Dem that has to go out
and raise my money over a Trump type.

[redruddyred]

28. you should listen to trump speeches

he positions himself at the outsider candidate, and this is true to an extent

all this stuff we read on DU abt him being a sexist, w/e is a bit overblown; as far as i know this guy was prochoice until he joined the R primary.

trump isn't the enemy. paul ryan is the enemy. mitt romney is the enemy. scott walker is the enemy.

sadly, trump is net positive for that party; the working people are taking it back. it's a sad, sad comment on party politics that it takes a "dark triad" character like trump to take these people on.

i cannot believe you are believing the lies the clinton campaign is feeding you. bernie has proven that it is possible to run a national campaign without kowtowing to the plutocrats who run everything else in our country. hillary is just lazy, and even worse, corrupt.

demand better of your elected officials. until we all do nothing will change.

[Bohemianwriter]

113. Why do you think corporations...

are giving to both parties?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

14. Oh yes, they are.

[afertal]

51. No, but one in particular using it to her advantage...

...while the other is rejecting the status quo and trying to reform the system from within.

[chervilant]

77. "She's pretty cute." ?!?

Really?!?

Blech. Welcome to my IL, wherein so many other sexists dwell.

[Skittles]

95. on my car radio today

I heard DJs discussing the new faces to be on American money, and they were saying how they didn't like Ms. Tubman's picture - that they need one of her "smiling". When a DJ said, what if they don't have one of her smiling the response was, "They could draw one."

I kid you not.

[chervilant]

97. Wow.

SMDH...

[Warren DeMontague]

121. And yet George Washington still gets a pass because "well he had wooden teeth"

Thats all sorts of fucked up. Gee, I cant imagine why Harriet Tubman wasnt more chipper.

[Dragonfli]

2. K&R for needed exposure (Goddess knows the media refuses to grant exposure) /nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

4. Honestly, I've had enough...

...and we've seen the dismissal leak into our own "progressive" numbers.

[lewebley3]

5. We don't need revolution we have Hillary: she will over turn citizens united

[stopbush]

8. True that. Not that the Chris Hedges of the world will even recognize it when it happens.

He really is becoming a boor. I miss Christopher Hitchens, who used to regularly put this guy in his place.

[lewebley3]

9. Hillary was the subject of citizens united: No one wants it gone more

than her

[redruddyred]

12. lol you guys are delusional

"hillary takes money from walls street but it doesn't effect her vote"

[lewebley3]

34. Hillary takes millions that help's down state Dem's

[Marr]

52. And it effects her vote. And theirs. /nt

[redruddyred]

76. and most of that goes to the m$m nt

[stopbush]

20. Yep. Don't tell the BSers that. They don't want to hear it.

[redruddyred]

23. i would love to hear it

i just wouldn't believe it
and i don't believe it
i can't believe you believe it. i am terribly disappointed in you, sir or madam.

[chapdrum]

41. Hedges is a Pulitzer Prize winner.

He was on the front lines in the Bosnian war.

He knows first hand the horror of war and occupation.

He was a Divinity student at Harvard before that.

He comes, at all times, straight from a moral view, as would be expected from his background.

That is why he is diminished by so-called liberals.

[stopbush]

48. I don't find his arguments convincing.

His background doesn't enter into it.

BTW - I don't believe that attending a divinity school equips you with a moral view at all. I do believe you can develop a moral view in spite of religious influence and indoctrination.

[chapdrum]

56. His background is entirely pertinent.

As is HRC's.

Hers far more so, as she's a pretender to the presidency.

[stopbush]

58. First, to elevate Hedges to the level of Hillary is just silly.

As far as your comment that Hillary is a pretender to the presidency - that's a comment not worthy of comment.

I hope you enjoy her 8 years as president.

[chapdrum]

61. She will put Wall St. and corporate interests

ahead of the (chortle) people, as she's already shown by laughingly refusing to release transcripts of her $230,000 speech(es) to Goldman Sachs. Did you miss the memo that GS was one of the companies behind the crash of 2008?

HRC was a Republican when younger. Her Foundation accepts money from Pete Peterson's foundation (for which I've proof, not that you're interested), for which Chelsea and Billy shill. Petey wants to privatize Social Security, among his other noble aims.
She oversaw an aggressive program to initiate and promote fracking in Europe while she was Secretary of State, thereby making life easier for the uber rogue Chevron.

I know this means nothing to HRC supporters.

Thanks for getting us closer to the drain.

[stopbush]

63. Did you miss the law that government employees are not permitted to get paid for speeches

while serving in their government capacity?

Sanders is running a lying ad that says Hillary gave these speeches while she was a Senator. That's a lie. Period.

HRC was a Republican until 1968. The woman has been a Democrat for 48 years. Let's see, that 47 years longer than Sanders has been a D.

The only drain is the toilet that Sanders' campaign has been circling for the past month. I'll be so happy when that simple-minded con artist is gone from the race. I'll be even happier when and if the Ds deny him any committee chairs or positions of influence when he returns to his safe little back bench in the Senate.

[chapdrum]

65. I missed that Sanders ad.

If it's a lie, then it's inappropriate, of course.

I don't trust anyone that is or was a Republican.

The "con artist" that's raised all of his campaign funds without taking corporate contributions, unlike HRC?

And predictably, no comment about the Clinton Global Initiative taking money from Pete Peterson (who was Sec. of Commerce under national hero Reagan). Most Democrats I know do not endorse the privatization or dismantling of Social Security, but Pete does.
If I know this, surely HRC, WJC and Chelsea know it.

I can post the link to that, but my guess is...

[stopbush]

66. The ad is airing now. Chris Matthews called it out for it's mendacity numerous times yesterday

on MSNBC.

Elizabeth Warren was a Republican until 1995. Do you trust her?

Con artist Sanders has been flagged by the FEC on a monthly basis for taking millions in illegal campaign contributions. Hillary has not. You may not like the source of her donations, but they are entirely legal. Shouldn't Sanders get his own house in order and stop taking illegal donations before he tries to make a case against Hillary for taking perfectly legal donations?

[chapdrum]

67. I take your points (if valid), and note

that you ignore those about Clintons taking money from Peterson Foundation.

Can you cite at least one of Sanders' "illegal campaign contributions?"

[stopbush]

68. See here:

Bernie Sanders May Face Legal Action After Illegal Contributions



Bernie Sanders may be in trouble for illegal donations.

The Federal Election Commission may take “further legal action” after the Bernie Sanders campaign was caught accepting thousands of illegal donations, the Washington Free Beacon reports. The FEC sent a letter Thursday to the campaign pointing out over 3,000 donations that violated campaign finance law.

The violations included excessive donations and donations from foreigners.

“Although the Commission may take further legal action concerning the acceptance of [excessive or prohibited] contributions, your prompt action to refund the prohibited amount will be taken into consideration,” the FEC told Sanders’ campaign in the letter.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/28/bernie-sanders-may-face-legal-action-after-illegal-contributions/#ixzz46Oi0g5Wm

[chapdrum]

70. Thanks for the link.

I've made contributions at or near the level of some of those cited in the appendix, but my name is not on there.

Has the FEC publicly sanctioned (as opposed to notified) Sanders? If so, I'm not aware of it.

These are paltry amounts compared to what HRC rakes in for her speeches to the likes of Goldman Sachs.
Bernie doesn't give highly lucrative speeches to the foxes guarding the henhouses.

He doesn't encourage enlisting law enforcement to harass and arrest protestors in Romania, trying to protect their water and soil from Hillary-State Dept.-sponsored fracking.

[stopbush]

75. Sanders doesn't give speeches that make lots of $ because no one is interested in paying

him to hear what he has to say.

Clinton made those speeches while she was out of office. She and Bill have donated $15-million to charity between 2007-14, most of that $ coming from speeches and book royalties. Her speaking fee is negotiated by her agent and is quite paltry when compared to the fees other people get. Just because you and I don't make that kind of money doesn't mean it's wrong. It is perfectly legal.

Clinton donations to charity: 11% of income. Sanders: 4%.

The FEC has been notifying Sanders on a monthly basis. I imagine he is returning the money to avoid penalties. Of course, he probably takes a float on the donations and uses the money until he has to make a refund.

There is one $10-million contribution to his campaign that has not been adequately explained. I believe that's been out there since Feb or March.

[chapdrum]

79. That's a patently circuitous statement,

and thus irrelevant to HRC taking an estimated $230,000 for speaking to g*ddamn Goldman Sachs.

The silence of HRC supporters on this (and taking money from the Peterson Foundation) speaks quite eloquently for itself.

[stopbush]

80. Even Sanders said she was allowed to make a living by giving these speeches.

Look it up.

His argument is that she is being corrupted by the way she's making her living. That presupposes that Hillary will 1. someday hold elected office where she can do the bidding of GS, and 2. actually do their bidding once she's back in office.

Of course, Hillary's plans that outline what she will do in the financial sector make that a very bad bet, but, whatever.

[chapdrum]

81. That's a curious supposition you make.

"...presupposes that Hillary will...someday hold elected office where she can do the bidding of GS..."

And...what is the difference between your (1.) and (2.)?

"...can do the bidding of GS" and "...actually do their bidding..."

Answer: There is none.

[stopbush]

83. Now who is supposing?

It's so easy from one's armchair, is it not?

[chapdrum]

104. Your "presupposing" (and not supposing)

is just splitting hairs, and as I wrote, speaks for itself.

Throughout our exchange, your silence on the Clinton Global Initiative taking money from an org that (1) wants to privatize Social Security, and (2) also has WJC and Chelsea speaking at events it sponsors - again, speaks for itself.

Your silence on the subject really is the last word, and it is all yours.

[glowing]

128. If someone is making a small donation, and its coming in 7million times...

There is going to be error on the sender. Those funds, btw, do go back to the original person. Some of this is from people reaching their threshold; like Bill Maher who sent too much. I think people understand these small time errors over the "legal bribes" that lobbyists bundle, that super pacs raise (tax free), and the reason why these types of donations are made. Its not because they are motivated by a political speech... They want access to the candidates and special favors/ kickbacks when they ask. Even Trump has pointed this out and its one of the reasons he's popular on the right.

[stopbush]

129. So basically, if Sanders is being cited every month for accepting

illegal contributions, it's perfectly innocent, but if another politician is accepting donations that are perfectly legal and that are not being flagged as illegal, they're up to no good, correct?

Welcome to Sandersland.

[glowing]

134. If Hillary decided to embrace the American people, throw over the big spender donors, refuse to

create/ run pacs pre-election, and asked the American people to fund her so she could do the things that need to be done for Americans, I think you and every Hillary supporter would understand that 7 million individual donations flooding into a campaign is going to have errors. AND btw, how many people are purposely out there placing donations that would/ can be flagged by the FEC so others can turn around and say, "look over there, that campaign with all those donations on avg of $27.00, is committing fraud; don't look over here at my campaign that is on the take from big corporations". BTW, with the Clinton's, we have a really new phenomenon facing America. The former President has created a NGO, a global money maker for charity, and now a spouse is running for President. Its unprecedented, in our history, to essentially have a candidate and probably the next President, able to accept money from outside the country, into their foundation.

Let me give an example of something our Republican crook of a Gov did in FL. He went on a campaign tirade lambasting all of those, high on the hog living, people who receive public assistance (mostly SNAP benefits). He wanted to drug test people on assistance because those who use drugs, shouldn't receive tax payers public assistance. These poor people had to go and pay for a drug test, if that drug test was negative, the state would reimburse that person. Come to find out, poor people use drugs less of a percentage wise than the general public (about 2%). So, the state lost money on the testing procedures. They didn't catch all these lazy moochers republicans claim are on the public dole. Tax payers lost money by having to pay the testing company and still help subsidize poor people. Now, who really won in this scheme? Rick Scott's family to the tune of free tax payers money. The testing company was originally the Gov's, but because he was a public official, he placed the company in his wife's name. Uh, they still both benefit from that relationship. Everyone who was Dem was publicly calling fowl! Called him corrupt. Called him entrenched in corporations back pocket. Just another item that he does as well, we have Sunshine laws, some of the best laws for citizens to be able to track what's going on in their govt. Well, this guy flies on private donors planes. So, the public cannot know where or whom he's flying around with or what is happening on these private flights. It's been another complaint of corruption... Do we know any other candidates that keep the press so separated from their-selves? When politicians want to hide, there is something the public will most likely think stinks to high heaven.

I'm sorry that your candidate chose to go to private companies and make speeches for huge sums of money in-between her service at State and formally entering the presidential race. AND we all knew she was going to run again in 2012. She knew she was going to run. AND in an environment that hates more and more the corruption in DC in regards to the rich buying more riches, and the rest of us left in the dirt, she chose to go and make personal money off of private speeches. AND the fact that she won't release the speeches that she gave in private to the public doesn't make any sense, unless the public would go nuts over what was specifically said to, say a large bank responsible for massive amounts of fraud; a bank that just paid a $5 billion dollar settlement for purposely perpetrating fraud on its customers. No matter how much you want to scream about the semantics of that ad, people aren't swayed by "everyone is doing it", these donations from these companies and lobbyists and Super Pac's are legally sanctioned, and refusing to disclose what is said behind private paid for speeches, doesn't for most Americans. One of the major reasons people give for not participating in the voting process is because the system is corrupt and all the politicians are bought. Well, Sander's is being bought by the people. AND Trump is funding his own campaign, along with the help of the media covering every moment of his life, looking for the next "breaking" item to alert everyone to in red and try to grab a rating burst in the horse race. So, in a VERY anti-establishment year, the front runners on both sides of the parties are having some major hurdles to overcome. AND good for democracy. Good for the people. Good for the real issues that would help people's lives being finally addressed.

[stopbush]

136. Hats off to the Republicans

who with the help of the Tea Party created an overtly racist theme that the country was angry that a black man was elected president.

Despite the fact that said black man's policies turned around bush's failed economy, killed bin Laden, supported and helped bring about huge changes in gay rights, tripled the value of the stock market, rescued Detroit & GM, got us out of Iraq, got unemployment down to historically low levels, and passed the ACA and provided healthcare to millions who were uninsured, the Rs insisted that the country is angry. Even gas prices under $2 a gallon don't seem to mitigate the anger.

The anger theme was picked up by the media and sold as if it was a reality. That led to Sen Sanders embracing and running on the Republican-created theme of anger and doing quite well for himself in the process. A good part of the progressive electorate now regurgitates the Republican mantra that the country is angry, abetted in no small part by Sanders insisting that the Democratic establishment that brought us all of the above is corrupt and rotten to its core.

We're not at war, the economy is humming, the stock market is soaring, people have jobs, people have healthcare, marriage equality is the law of the land.

What's there to like?

What could be worse than to elect a president who has said openly that she would continue and build on the "failed" policies that brought us all of the above.

Mission accomplished.

[glowing]

137. You obviously don't understand how millions and millions of people have been left out of this

soaring economy. There may be jobs, but they are low paying jobs that keep people oppressed. We may not be in "war", but we are sending more and more troops back into Iraq as "advisors", plus funneling money and arms into the conflict. We have the ACA, however, many living in red states are screwed without the opt-in AND the prices continue to increase every year. If one has an actual medical expense like cancer or a hospital stay or expensive medications that their Dr has them taking, they are still facing bankruptcy and bake sales to make up the costs of those medical expenses that insurance doesn't cover.. We really just need to make health care a RIGHT afforded to all Americans and throw the "middle man" insurance companies who are making money off of fear and mandates to buy from them, out of the picture. AND we need to be able to negotiate the drug cost prices like other sane countries do; not insulate them and then write into the TPP measures that would insure these poor countries we want "free trade" with will end up killing off the population due the insane conditions/ costs. We have marriage equality, but trans-gendered people facing special laws to keep them from using bathrooms. BTW, if you think Detroit is rescued, why don't you take a trip on over there. Oh and the Gov disbanded the elected govt in Detroit and installed his personal choice of a city manager who decided poor people shouldn't have access to water. AND lets not even get started on how we are placing the future of this country to actively compete with the global economy in massive amounts of debt for higher education and training that other countries like China do for free. We also have more people in prison than China.

Yes, incrementally, there are things maybe a bit better, but when it comes to long term, sustainable, happy human living experiences, most Americans are stuck going no where fast. Every year the costs increase, yet jobs, wages, etc are stagnated. And the numbers are there to prove, as Sander's has mentioned every time he is front of a rally or a camera, most of all new wealth generated is going to the top 1% of the people.

Mission is NO WHERE nearly accomplished. Saying what you just did is why there is a massive split in the Democratic party right now.

[stopbush]

139. The mission that was accomplished was the Rs

getting the country to buy their spin.

[chapdrum]

140. This is false. Period.

"That led to Sen Sanders embracing and running on the Republican-created theme of anger and doing quite well for himself in the process."

[zalinda]

125. She KNEW she was running for President

and STILL gave those speeches. Money hungry much? It's not like they NEED more money. Her 1 hour speech could support me for 20 years or more. But hey, let's let her off the hook, she's HILLARY.

Z

[glowing]

138. Right, the avg salary is now like $27,000 for most Americans... and most areas of the country

require at least $30 - $35,000 to live a basic life with very little extras, no family, limited savings for rainy day, etc. AND many cities require even more money for living expenses due to shelter costing so much.

[OwlinAZ]

106. No reason to worry about that.

[Fuddnik]

109. I wouldn't LOWER Hedges to Hillary.

He's been there. Done that. Always puts his money where his mouth is.

[SkyIsGrey]

122. "To elevate Hedges to the level of Hillary"

Your authoritarianism is showing.

Hillary Clinton is nothing, just as Bernie Sanders, but a public servant.

[Doctor_J]

100. But you believe every utterance by Mrs Clinton

A serial liar and flip flopper.

[stopbush]

102. Welcome to full ignore.

[Doctor_J]

103. No, please. Not that!

[Fuddnik]

108. He's probably my favorite journalist/author.

Along with Amy Goodman.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

16. And how do you imaging she'll do that - especially since she doesn't really want to.

[lewebley3]

21. She will appoint a judge that will get rid of it for her

[Hiraeth]

24. and you think Bernie wouldn't ?

[lewebley3]

30. Bernie's is an empty suit: he is all about himself:

Hillary's reliable Dem and she is a team player: Sanders
it not helping other Dem's `

[Hiraeth]

32. reliable. omg.

*snort*

[lewebley3]

36. Snort is all you have: The counrty will have Hillary

[Hiraeth]

43. the who? omg. typo negates insult.

double snorter

are you being sarcastic. I swear I detect a hint of it in the air.

[chapdrum]

45. And the "counrty" will have the cake

that Shillary suggests it eat.

[Demobrat]

55. Corporate America will have Hillary.

She will take care of them, and they will take care of us. What could go wrong?

[lewebley3]

120. Hillary has taken care of all the American no matter what office she has held

She has as history of keeping faith with the people she has
been elected to serve: She has done so well, that is
why many Americans. want her to. be President.


She won New York by almost 15: The New York ers. don't think she forgot
about them.

[desmiller]

78. What is it about Hillary that's making you defend her so passionately?

What does she stand for to make you vote for her?

[Katashi_itto]

40. Meth is a terrible drug.

[BeanMusical]

96. Lol, so true!

[SammyWinstonJack]

123. The projection is strong with this one.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

26. Why? She'd lose a lot of her billionare and banker friends.

[lewebley3]

33. You swallowed you own lies: Hillary doesn't have billionaire friends:

if she did she would just have them right a check the way the GOP
does from the Koch bothers: Hillary has to begging an working for all
Dems.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

38. OK.

[marmar]

62. Repetez en anglais, s'il vous plait.

[BeanMusical]

99. "Hillary doesn't have billionaire friends"

[lewebley3]

116. He.is not a billionaire ; he has never donated to Dem: Hillary has not rec

Any money from him. You do know Bush is a GOP member?

[BeanMusical]

141. He's not a billionaire?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

115. Uninformed and delusional.

[lewebley3]

117. You are delusional: Hillary is a poor Dem she will be at many fund

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raisers because she cannot right a check like Tumps and his friends.

I

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

124. Second time you said "right a check". Is english a second or third language?

Hillary is not in the GOP's league when
It comes to having wealthy donors.

OMG!

[lewebley3]

135. You understood

[Fuddnik]

110. She'd probably lose her invitation to spend the holidays at the Kissingers in the Caribbean

carribean

[Doctor_J]

87. She and Paul Ryan, together

[Harcourdt Fenton Mud]

59. The Goldman handcuffs will keep her from doing anything of the kind... N/T

[lewebley3]

119. You say you wani a revolution in the words of John Lennon count me out

[Fuddnik]

107. Hillary is part of the reason we need a revolution.

A BIG part.

[lewebley3]

118. No; Hillary is part of the solution: she will help Dem party back into power:

Revolutions just creates different problems; The rise of Neoplan, Hilter.
USSR, Iranian ayatollahs.: Revolution generally are terrible things that
don't make things better at all: they have very bad unintended consequences.

Hillary knows how to get things done with out a terrible revolution!

In the words of John Lennon "you say you want a revolution: you can
count me out"

[Sentath]

3. Sort of wish they had surrounded the Pritzker event.

But, maybe no one knew just how softball it would be.

[geretogo]

7. May their numbers grow into the millions across this nation . It's long over due .

[lewebley3]

17. May the numbers grow to vote for Hillary: then were have a chance

for change

[marmar]

22. That's funny.

[ReRe]

18. K&R

Thanks for this news about the protest from Chris Hedges, marmar. I so wish I was young and able to get up and go like I used to. I would be up there in a NY min.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

27. These 74 year old eyes have seen so much slip away

in my lifetime.
It's time to rise up for some meaningful changes, or become a fascist country.

[polichick]

29. The revolution will not be televised - but we still have the internet. For now.

[gateley]

31. So sayeth Thunderclap Newman --

"Call out the instigator
Because there's something in the air
We've got to get together sooner or later
Because the revolution's here
And you know it's right
And you know that it's right"

From 1969

[chapdrum]

50. Yeah Gate,

I was around for that, too.

I think that T.N. was Pete Townshend's project.

Great song.

Wonder what it'll take to get millions of us in the streets (probably the enforced closing of Apple stores).

[corkhead]

132. Andy "Thunderclap" Newman just died last month.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2016/04/04/andy-thunderclap-newman-pianist---obituary/

[Politicub]

35. Think of gay shlubs like me before deciding to sit it out

Voting or not is your right, of course.

But come November, I hope you find it within yourself to pull the lever for the Dem candidate - whoever he or she is - if only to keep the status quo with gay rights in place. This is hugely important for those of us in red states.

Gay rights have come remarkabley far during Obama's tenure. I don't want them to go backward on a national level.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

44. You don't give a rats ass about my children and grandchildren's futures

but I'm supposed to give a crapola about you? You Hillary people crack me up. I would never again vote for another Clinton.

[abelenkpe]

54. Yes, your kids need to go into debt for college, we need to keep doing nothing about climate change

and we need to bargain away more jobs. How can you be so selfish?



Because you know the status quo incrementalism of third way democrats hasn't seen women rights eroded with insane laws passed limiting abortion and closing clinics. Regressive states haven't passed ugly laws recently against the LGBT community. Stay on the path that slowly screws one over. It's the best we can do.

People thinking Bernie supporters are comfortably well off and have nothing to lose are wrong. They've got nothing left lose. They're facing a future with no chance of retirement, no chance at sending their kids to college, no chance to live the long lost joke that was the American Dream. It's the Hilllary supporters who are comfortable. That's why they don't see the need for change. So STFU and get in line. Can't upset the apple cart. Vote to screw yourself, the environment and your kids because we can't have anything better. I
The world is just too f'd up to dream larger.

Again.

[Politicub]

60. I'm voting dem. Full stop.

I believe your kids will be better served by a dem admin than a GOP one. But they're not my kids, so perhaps you have other goals for them.

Please feel free not to give a flying fuck about me. But weirdly, I do care about the future for your and all children. I hope they live in a world that has less discrimination than we have today.

[strategery blunder]

64. Hillary will do NOTHING to fight economic or class discrimination.

She will probably enforce existing anti-discrimination law for minorities who already have protected status. In that respect, yes, she is better than Republicans.

(And yes, I'm aware that being a member of a "protected class" in law does not translate to equal rights in reality.)

But discrimination against the poor? Discrimination based upon ZIP code? Discrimination based upon political belief?

None of that is presently illegal. And Hillary doesn't give a flying fuck.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

69. Bullshit - you hillary phonies just doomed us all - you have no clue either.

I think my kids would be served better with a truthful and trustworthy admin. There is only 1 person that fits that bill.

[Politicub]

71. Ok, then. Vote your conscience.

If it's trump or Cruz v Hillary, then not voting or voting green is a defacto vote for the opposition.

But it sounds like everyone is the opposition for you except one person. So I wish you luck in the long and winding road of life.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

74. No you don't - I'm very familiar with you HRC types

You're all bluster and bullshit. You asked for Trump. You worked hard to elect Trump. I hope you enjoy the new Hitler you helped rise to power. One person could have stopped him, and it's not a Cliton.

[Politicub]

91. You're right, Mr. Dump

How can I argue with such a convincing post?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

114. I'm not trying to convince you - like a teabagger, it's impossible.

Enjoy your President Trump.

[cprise]

89. Hmm. Pushed pipeline and fracking, protection for banking rackets, against Medicare for all

against a carbon tax (*essential* for decarbonizing the economy), pushed nearly every FTA that came down the pike, pushed for expanding H-1B visas to stratospheric levels... and that's just economics.

That looks like corporate money to me.

On gay rights she is a laggard *at best*, having only switched to support of gay marriage equality in time for this presidential run (not her 2008 run). The fact that her long-time support for second-class status for gay relationships echoes her embrace of Barry Goldwater (racist presidential candidate) on the heels of the civil rights movement. And even the Clinton Foundation pays its female staff well below what it pays men. She is a huge phoney riding on celebrity; I won't even go into how her foreign policy is 99% the same as Bush... disastrous.

[cprise]

90. Oh, and arms sales to developing countries skyrocketed while she

was at State. She was an excellent salesman of fossil fuels and arms.

She misinterpreted "keep hole alive" as keep conflict alive.

[Politicub]

92. Don't forget - Bernie wants to keep the gun trade going strong in the US of A

He loved blowing wet kisses the NRA's way in congress.

The makers of the deadliest products of the world shouldn't be held liable. WTG, sanders!

[cprise]

93. He gets "D"s from the NRA. Hillary's positon is lunacy...

holding manufacturers responsible for what people do with the guns is unheard-of and a cheap way to capitalize on hysteria. It would never hold up at SCOTUS with even the most liberal judges. Sorry.

[corkhead]

133. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017359832

[fasttense]

37. And while these people were going to jail,

Penny Phizter was having a real softball interview with the press club. She's one of Obama's financiers. She was appointed as secretary of commerce as pay back I suppose. She is one of the royalty that Americans bow down to, she inherited her fortune and pretends she actually earned it. Yeah lady it's tough being born.

She was asked what her marathon training secrets were because that's a requirement for her job.

[cprise]

94. +10

[JEB]

112. K&R for the original post and subsequent informative posts such as yours.

[SHRED]

39. There's a protest?

[Phlem]

42. Please don't feed the obvious troll in this thread.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

46. You mean lewebley3?

[Phlem]

47. Ooops, did I say lewbley?

My bad.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

49. No, you didn't. I did. Just a crazy wild-ass guess!

[treestar]

53. the person defending Democrats is the troll?

[Phlem]

57. Huh!?

[BeanMusical]

101. ...

[Donald Ian Rankin]

84. Kind of sad that sticking up for Democrats on Democratic Underground is being called "trolling". N.T

[Phlem]

88. Is it really Democratic Underground?

This post paints a different picture.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1795379

[raouldukelives]

130. I started coming to DU because mainstream Democrats were calling for war.

In fact, I almost felt that was why it was called Democratic Underground.

Now some of those same blood stained Democrats are the darlings. Ah, but only for the disingenuous.

[Fuddnik]

111. But it does funny tricks when you feed it.

[Jack Rabbit]

72. Small critique

Democracy cannot be sustained if it cannot be seen. Those in power must be made to fear movements that are willing to disrupt the machinery of state. The elites must be kept in check.

-- Pragraph 10

This remark implies that the elites in power are the officers of the state. This is not the case. Those in power are the officers of the largest corporations. The state is separate from, but not independent of the large corporations. The corporation are rivals of the people for power, often hostile to them; a democratic state is one in which the people are in power. This is a corporate state.

Consequently, it would not appear after yesterday's primary that the election to take place in November will be a consequential one. A Hillary Clinton administration, which is the most likely outcome in November, will simply continue the present trajectory toward the decline and ruin of American civilization; Donald Trump, who now appears to be the Republican alternative, would accelerate it. The reality is that the decline and ruin is the result of decades of acquiescence of the state to corporate power.

The logical movement against this fate is opposition to corporate power with an effort to replace it truly democratic government in which private enterprise is subordinated to the interests of the common people. Our health and well being is more important than corporate profits. It is a vision of a humanist civilization.

That is why the most consequential candidate of 2016 is Bernie Sanders, who may never be president yet whose campaign, if we who support him follow through, will posit in its wake a clear path to a sustainable and just society,

[chapdrum]

73. Bravo!

This goes directly to the core of our malaise.

Thank you.

[Ghost Dog]

105. That's it. n/t

[Enthusiast]

85. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

[Doctor_J]

86. "Recipient of millions of Pac dollars will, with Paul Ryan, do away with PAC money"

Wow the hillarians are really delusional, aren't they?

[BeanMusical]

98. Kick and R

[Progressive dog]

126. That would be revolting.

Revolutions mean the overturning of the established order. They seldom go well. Our established order already allows us to vote for our government leaders. The results from the Arab Spring don't seem to be a net gain in democracy or even quality of life. I don't want to see us mimic them.

[raouldukelives]

131. K&R nt