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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn the GE, do our votes get counted?
Today I was hiking with friends, dems, repub and non party folk, and this discussion came up.
Is voting just an exercise, ending up in a furnace with big cats laughing in a board room? With voting machines, computers, glitches, flipping, how can we be certain it is we the people who is choosing our leaders, or is a board game going on.
Is there a shadow government like Cheney said? I dont like conspiracy theories, but something is not right with our current system.
Secondly, why is there not a national voting process instead of state to state variences?
Thirdly, why is there not a voting bank everyone can log into like a bank site is for all of us, non internet voters having mail-in votes.
It is alot of questions, but I want to get them down before I forget our discussion high points
This is a GE inquiry, so I put it to this forum
scscholar
(2,902 posts)All you need is name and DOB. It will tell if your vote was counted or thrown away. Last election, I checked about four dozen friends, of which most said they voted, and not a one of us had our vote count. I even checked Bill Gates, and the state had canceled his voter registration. If a billionaire can't get the state to count his vote, what hope do the rest of us have?
larkrake
(1,674 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)former9thward
(32,121 posts)It was a fantasy post.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)in case you want to self delete or anything
former9thward
(32,121 posts)The poster checked 48 people who claimed they had voted and the site said "their votes were thrown in the trash". What BS. Yes a post should be self deleted but not mine.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)former9thward
(32,121 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)You can use:
http://info.kingcounty.gov/elections/ballottracker.aspx
It's a Microsoft site so it's slow and unreliable, but keep trying. It's shocking how many votes are thrown in the trash. You can check anyone with their name and DOB.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,490 posts)At my California county's Office of Registar of Voters web site. - Election office in other states.
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)I question my votes every election.
I think this primary season has opened a lot of eyes.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist either, but you gotta wonder.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Mail-ins are counted last, and only counted if the race is close.
I don't believe that is the case in California since there is such a large percentage of mail-ins.
What I can tell you for this election is that I participated in an online "exit poll." I got an email that said this company had been notified by the state (I think) that I had voted by mail, and would I participate in an online exit poll. That means that at least my ballot was received. Whether they count it or not is another matter.
I live in a pretty small county so I don't worry too much about that. I changed my affiliation so I could request a Democratic ballot. Everything went smoothly. At one point I saw where other people in other areas of the state had gotten their ballots, but I hadn't. I sent an email to the registrar and received a response that said the ballots would be mailed within the week. Yep, got it within a few days.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)I am questioning
Still, your experience is very interesting
Not everyone has a computer to vote with and I would be suspect of any computer provided for that duty. The elderly, blind, ect do not have the knowledge to use one, they even fear them and the same folk dont have nor can afford a smartphone. I think mailing is their option
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Right now, systems are too easily hacked. I do think the email exit polls are a good idea. It's an easy way to manage them. Obviously, for the reasons you stated, results are limited, but exit polls are only a sampling anyway.
former9thward
(32,121 posts)It does not matter how close the election is. And mail ins are counted as they come in, not last.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)A single election system would be simpler to rig.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)There are 50 different "receiving ends" in our election system.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)State tally will only receive state and county votes- in house This will eliminate electoral voting, election fraud and disenfranchisement nationally, it would even eliminate primaries.
Pres/vp is a national race, getting too expensive and time consuming. Candidates have to piggyback on big Party's to get on 50 ballots, and that's wrong . It keeps the field too narrow.
Candidates can rally where they wish, if they dont have to win states to get delegates to win a nomination to win the presidency. A dozen partys can be on the final ballot and winner take all
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)FSogol
(45,579 posts)Your vote counts. Lots of people are there to insure it does.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)because tests of the software used is really unsettling
FSogol
(45,579 posts)machine were totaled and the results phoned in. Everything was done in the presence of a few people. Now they use optical scanners, but they have a paper copy it case something goes wrong.
Virginia had a few elections (Creigh Deeds) were the difference was 100-some votes. The state did an automatic recount and the only errors were where someone reversed digits while copying the totals (3828 instead of 3823 type errors.) After the state recanvassed, the totals only changed by 12 votes across the entire state.
While I do not deny that voting problems exist, I feel worries of votes not being counted are spread by the GOP who benefit when people state home. GOTV.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Do you think the Pres/VP race should be a national race or stay on state ballots? Forget our current electoral vote system, I am doing research on it
FSogol
(45,579 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)and there is no good answer.
For Presidential elections, your individual vote is almost meaningless. Because of the way the Electoral College works, it is possible for a candidate to get more popular votes, but still lose in Electoral votes. That doesn't mean don't vote, it just means it works weirdly.
Local and state elections? It depends on who's running things. Historically, such things voting machines in the Chicago river and spoiled paper ballots in some Southern states have been pretty much the norm. Both parties cheat, so you can't blame it on just one.
I have to say that as far as I know, my county is pretty good about running honest elections. We use scanned paper ballots and nobody's found a problem yet. Other counties, I can't say, but do what you can in yours to get involved.
That thing about not counting mail-in ballots... If there are 100 mailed in ballots and one guy is 500 votes ahead, there really is no reason to count them.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)moondust
(20,019 posts)Since the 1984 Reagan landslide I've wondered if it was possible for Republicans or others who would do anything to win elections, including gerrymandering and voter suppression tricks, Jim Crow laws and literacy tests, to strategically place their operatives in a few key positions where the numbers are called in to/received at the central tabulator, simply fudging the numbers instead of reporting them accurately.
I've heard that Chicago, for one, has a lot of shady elections in its history but I don't know the details.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Wisconsin also has had trouble- we know Florida does every election
moondust
(20,019 posts)Internet voting but only if it could be absolutely secured, verifiable, unhackable, maybe open sourced or something. Real direct democracy. "The People" could theoretically even vote on legislation and other government issues.
But...I don't know if that's possible, at least not yet.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)doesnt hurt to flesh it out
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)The paper ballots are for a paper trail so that they can be counted by hand if necessary.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)not tampered with, but any region where exit polling is wildly different, well....
I am glad they keep the paper ballots, thank you. Some states do not
valerief
(53,235 posts)dumbcat
(2,120 posts)You might try reading the Constitution to find out.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)silenced. An amendment can be made to anything in the constitution, cant it? Elections are messy , whats wrong with change of a broken system?
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)I'll watch with interest.
Really.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)dumbcat
(2,120 posts)A man's got to know his limitations.
metalbot
(1,058 posts)If that's the question you are asking, it has a lot to do with trying to balance the rights of smaller states to help pick the president. If we ran national elections on a popular vote, then no politician seeking a national office would ever need to set foot in a flyover state. They'd campaign only in the high population states, and simply fight to rack up votes in them. You'd have a handful of states that would pick presidents, and completely marginalize millions of voters.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)roamer65
(36,748 posts)In Michigan, we have paper copies that can be audited for recounts or machine failures/tampering.