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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSources tell CBS News the 2 persons shot at UCLA were a student and Professor William Scott Klug
https://twitter.com/CharlieKayeCBS/status/738139716881506305Apparently the student was angry about his grade.
Professor Klug had recently begun his career at UCLA. Klug taught aerospace and mechanical engineering.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)With all of the guns here in our state, I fear this every single semester. My sincere sympathy to Dr. Klug's family.
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)It's terribly tragic for the Klug and the shooter's families-- it's frightening to think there are so many
unhinged people around with hair-trigger (no pun intended-- really) tempers and a gun handy.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)faculty get constant emails about what to do, now that guns are allowed on campus. I should know.
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)It's come to this-- you're not safe at
university
movies
restaurants
concerts
school (primary & secondary)
office buildings
in your car
supermarkets
fast food places
Have I missed any?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)just this past year before winter break, we had a business professor assaulted in his building after hours, probably for the same reason...
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)He is a pretty big guy, but he told me he was scared for the first time. The kid told him he was going to "come back and get even".... Some of this group of young people have been so protected they can't deal with adversity. They have no plan B and they feel entitled to A's even if they are not earned.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)People are saying the professor was a smart and kind man
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)It reminded me of a story an older coworker told me about a student getting failed on his first thesis defense. His second try he hid a gun behind a fire extinguisher and when they failed him again he got it out and killed them. Pretty fucked up stuff.
petronius
(26,602 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)I've been told that this never happens, and that I could be fired and arrested if I dial 911.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Way to drag your bullshit all over a tragedy.
stone space
(6,498 posts)It's internet lawyer NRA types here on DU who don't want us to report guns on campus.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Stressed out post-adolescents with guns is not a good situation.
tblue37
(65,340 posts)I have had students rage at me over a grade, and in the 1970s one said he knew where I lived and that I had kids. I don't doubt that an angry student with a gun is capable of shooting a professor over a grade.--or shooting an interlocutor over an ideological argument in class.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)I can't imagine being a professor living in a place like Texas.
ananda
(28,859 posts)It's a brain drain, and higher education will be damaged here.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I see UT Austin suffering over this new law, not that people worry when academics suffer.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)To introduce guns into a situation where young people may first be experiencing the effects of mental illness, and there are clear power imbalances with perceived life-altering consequences (that D in organic chemistry just gate-kept you out of med school...) is simply crazy. Campus carry laws are insane. Gunner trash are the fucking worst.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)by college students than by their age-peers who go to work after high school.
I wonder how many students have roommates with guns.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)I'm going to demand hazard pay.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Just that you're expected to do your part for Liberty, and die without making a fuss.
Oneironaut
(5,493 posts)I know that's a captain obvious statement, but only a tormented, sick mind jumps to murder over something so small.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)THAT would be a real tragedy.
Sickening
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)malaise
(268,980 posts)Lots of these young folks feel they are entitled to a good grade regardless of the crap written in the exam booklet.
That some could ask for a review is what scared me the most.
We don't know if he was under pressure. We know that he murdered someone today. I'll spare my thoughts for the Professor and his family and friends.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)peers, themselves and future employers. It's a complicated world.
malaise
(268,980 posts)Every semester, every year. They are a minority. And there are others who are decent students who simply panic under exam conditions. They too are a minority.
Very very few even attack let alone kill their professors
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)As I say, it's a complicated world.
malaise
(268,980 posts)he killed a young woman- she was found dead after California police had them check on her since she was on his list.
Edited - both were from Minnesota.
kiva
(4,373 posts)The student had a choice to not kill his professor.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)I expressed applies to the entire situation, and that there are clearly many people hurting tonight because of the student's actions.
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)I've had a couple of online students who have made me edgy before; I had no idea what they looked like, and since my schedule of onground classes and office hours are posted, it's made for a couple of uncomfortable semesters, so I'm more inclined to be less understanding/sympathetic about this issue.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)classroom during the last week of classes because the unhinged behavior of an ex-military MP had finally scared not only me but all of the rest of the students too. You're really a sitting duck in a classroom or office with only one door in or out.
kiva
(4,373 posts)Yes, when you start getting the "You've ruined my life" posts it can be tough to sort out the drama llamas from the ones who are serious.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)We all have different perspectives.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)The good news is soon everyone is just going to be given A+ grades because life is just too hard and students are customers anyway, so the customer is always right.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The police chief said "a dispute over intellectual property" was tied to the UCLA shooting.
Gunman Mainak Sarkar felt the professor he killed had released information "that harmed him," Beck said. "UCLA says this is absolutely not true. This is the workings of his imagination," the police chief said.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/02/us/ucla-shooting/
UTUSN
(70,686 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)bjo59
(1,166 posts)It's right about that time that I will begin to give all my college students As on every single thing they turn in. Big money in manufacturing and selling fire arms, I hear. Well that's what the US is all about. $$$$$$$ It's certainly not about education.
tblue37
(65,340 posts)Paladin
(28,254 posts)Don't think for a moment that it's coincidental. Sick fucks.
a la izquierda
(11,794 posts)Who said this wouldn't/didn't/couldn't happen, so I need not fear, to have a nice bite of crow.
I live in a state where I am certain this issue will come up. I cannot lock the doors to my university classrooms.
This is horrible.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)You can't.
Guns were banned at this campus. I'm pretty sure gun owners have never said that a self-declared gun free campus was a magical force field which blocks out all guns. That would be the prohibitionists.
a la izquierda
(11,794 posts)Hang on, I'll look in posting history. It's been posted here, on this very website, that students who are armed pose no threat.
Edit: can't look too far back in my search history on my phone and I don't want to slander anyone since I can't remember the dude's name.
Edit again: Here, in relation to how guns on campus change how professors teach: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016145514#post3
Then there's this hot mess of a thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141359098
Perhaps my first post was ill-worded. I do not and fucking WILL not be okay with students carrying guns in my class; students are stressed out more than ever. I teach in a very conservative state, and I discuss lovely topics such as: US support for genocidal dictators during the Cold War; US funding of genocide and other war crimes. I'm a woman; I've had two students threaten me or harass me. Do you think I want them armed? Fuck no.
If you can't leave your toys at home, find an avenue besides college. Because I sure as hell don't want you in my class and as long as it's legal for me to do so (because I know this stupid issue is coming to my state), I will ban them from my classes (or better yet, move to a saner country).
linuxman
(2,337 posts)Any student who wants to harm you with a gun isn't going to wait for campus approved carry to do so. Sort of like the asshole who just killed his prof. at ucla.
You seem to think that an angry student will pull out a gun and start shooting whenever a topic is broached which they don't care for. That's very odd. How many times have you been physically assaulted in the past for that reason? Now, why do you think resorting to murder would be even likelier, given an armed student in that scenario? It's nonsense fear mongering at its finest.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)sarisataka
(18,633 posts)Start allowing guns on campus?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)sarisataka
(18,633 posts)May have been born in India. Do you suggest prohibiting students from India?
How do you define 'gun culture'? Should college apps jave the question 'Do you or anyone in your family own a gun?' All who answer 'yes' will be denied admission.
romanic
(2,841 posts)another tragedy attacking gun owners. -_-
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Gunman Mainak Sarkar felt the professor he killed had released information "that harmed him," Beck said. "UCLA says this is absolutely not true. This is the workings of his imagination," the police chief said.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/02/us/ucla-shooting/
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)I know that early reports can get things wrong. Thanks for the link
Update, upon reading story at link
He had a hit list??
oberliner
(58,724 posts)In any case, it sounds like this young man was pretty unhinged. I would be curious to learn more. For instance, were there any warning signs or hints that something was amiss?
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)malaise
(268,980 posts)on GEM$NBComcast
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)messages to the Time magazine Pathfinder message boards. These were some of the first message boards, before CNN.