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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:18 PM Jun 2016

How Should America Resist a Fascist?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/how_should_america_resist_a_fascist.html

After Donald Trump claimed the Republican presidential nomination, neoconservative scholar Robert Kagan wrote an essay for the Washington Post that made a simple but provocative claim: Trump, now a stone’s throw from the White House, was a vector for fascism. That, in running a campaign of threat and intimidation—against political adversaries, against foreign countries, against nonwhites and religious minorities—Trump had opened the door to the worst passions and darkest urges of American society.

“This is how fascism comes to America, not with jackboots and salutes,” wrote Kagan, “but with a television huckster, a phony billionaire, a textbook egomaniac ‘tapping into’ popular resentments and insecurities, and with an entire national political party—out of ambition or blind party loyalty, or simply out of fear—falling into line behind him.”

Kagan didn’t address it but his piece raised an important question, perhaps the important question of this election: If Trump is a vector for fascism—if he is a fascist, full stop—then what do we do about it? The history of the 20th century is, among many other things, a testament to the danger of popular authoritarianism and how it can overwhelm the better angels of a nation’s character to pursue its resentments with murderous efficiency. That history is why, in the face of Trump, the targets of his rage have organized against him.

So far, this movement against Trump is a democratic one that utilizes U.S. laws and institutions to mount a defense against a man who threatens them, from his attacks on the idea of an impartial judiciary to his tolerance for violence and support for a herrenvolk vision of American life. On the grass-roots level, Muslim and Latino activists are working to naturalize immigrants and register them for the ballot, while civil rights groups are fighting voter restrictions that may keep them from the polls. Students and other young people are protesting Trump events to demonstrate their stance against his rhetoric and aims. On an institutional level, the Democratic Party is planning a massive campaign against his candidacy, and the press is beginning to scrutinize his life and beliefs in serious ways.

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How Should America Resist a Fascist? (Original Post) KamaAina Jun 2016 OP
Perhaps a military coup elfin Jun 2016 #1
Don't be so quick to rule out impeachment Jim Lane Jun 2016 #16
Good reasoning. Still think a coup would be the quickest way if absolutely, terrifyingly,necessary elfin Jun 2016 #19
What do we do about it? Simple.. Nominate the oldish guy with the frizzy white hair and glasses.. pangaia Jun 2016 #2
naah he points a lot and he yells too much nt LiberalElite Jun 2016 #20
Trump is not a fascist. former9thward Jun 2016 #3
It's no insult. He is on the path to follow Franco or Mussolini. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #5
I agree SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #6
You have no sense of history. former9thward Jun 2016 #9
Nice personal attack. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #14
Neo-Mussolini. Nothing like Franco. Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #15
Mussolini is the one I think of. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #17
Trump is not a fascist, and calling him one won't help beat him. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #4
What I mean by my post above SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #7
Most fascist movements that developed in the 20th Century had strong populist elements. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #8
AIDS is caused by a virus. That doesn't mean all viruses cause AIDS. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #11
Keep thinking that... NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #12
Think he is a fascist Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #13
"IF" Trump is not a fascist... world wide wally Jun 2016 #10
Take them off the television screen? Fumesucker Jun 2016 #18

elfin

(6,262 posts)
1. Perhaps a military coup
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jun 2016

Ala Seven Days in May if he orders them to do something blatantly crazy and unconstitutional.

Odd to expect a military to rise against fascism, but I think ours would do so, even if the Trumpenator appoints a lackey for Def Sec.

Otherwise, impeachment, but with a likely Repug grip on Congress, that won't happen.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
16. Don't be so quick to rule out impeachment
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jun 2016

Trump has said that he would pick, as his running mate, someone with political experience. Senators Bob Corker and Jeff Sessions have been mentioned as possibilities. Suppose a ticket of that sort were to win and be inaugurated. If Trump were then to embark on some significant craziness, the Republicans in Congress might well decide that they didn't want the backlash against him to drag them down in the 2018 midterms. They'd probably feel much more comfortable with a typical Republican politician in the Oval Office.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
19. Good reasoning. Still think a coup would be the quickest way if absolutely, terrifyingly,necessary
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:58 PM
Jun 2016

Impeachment takes TIME. The eventual result could be the VP taking over anyway.

Or Trump could depart, finally meeting a deal he could not finagle.

former9thward

(32,002 posts)
3. Trump is not a fascist.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:37 PM
Jun 2016

It is an offensive insult to the victims of 1930s fascism to suggest he is. People are using the term 'fascism' as someone who has different views than them. They have their own private definition of the word. Not reality based at all.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
5. It's no insult. He is on the path to follow Franco or Mussolini.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jun 2016

Fascism as an Authoritarian Nationalist movement is more than just Hitlers take on it.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
6. I agree
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jun 2016

He is displaying all of the characteristics of a fascist. It would be a very small step for him to convince himself - and many of his followers - that he has to take over to "save" America from the Congress and the Supreme Court.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
14. Nice personal attack.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 07:19 PM
Jun 2016

Actually, I have an extremely good sense of history and tested at 99th percentile. You and I merely disagree on our opinion of Trump's movement and followers.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
15. Neo-Mussolini. Nothing like Franco.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:35 PM
Jun 2016

... & it appears that Trump has studied the Hitler/Goebbels playbook...

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
17. Mussolini is the one I think of.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:53 PM
Jun 2016

Franco lasted decades because he had the sense to not attack outside his country. I usually mention Franco as an example of a fascist movement that never ended as the two classic examples. In a sense, Franco was smart enough to rule as a classic dictator. Salazar in Portugal had many similar elements, but never developed the true autocracy that is inherent to fascism. I do have a co-worker who grew up in Angola (Portuguese colonist) and he has described the militaristic upbringing he children had. It's scary to think about.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
4. Trump is not a fascist, and calling him one won't help beat him.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:37 PM
Jun 2016

He's a right-wing populist demagogue, not a fascist.

"Vector" in this case is a weasel word - it's a way to get other people calling Trump a fascist, while maintaining plausible deniability about having done so oneself.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
7. What I mean by my post above
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:51 PM
Jun 2016

He is not a fascist today, but he has all the traits. Hitler was greatly admired by many Americans in the early 30s.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
8. Most fascist movements that developed in the 20th Century had strong populist elements.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:53 PM
Jun 2016

Given the strong authoritarian viewpoints that Trump supporters have expressed when polled, this movement is the closest this country has come to fascism. It's like It Can't Happen Here is coming to life.

Article on the Authoritarianism that is behind Trump: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/03/11/its-not-just-trump-authoritarian-populism-is-rising-across-the-west-heres-why/

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
11. AIDS is caused by a virus. That doesn't mean all viruses cause AIDS.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jun 2016

Not all military dictatorships are fascist, but all fascism is military dictatorship*.

If elected, Trump would leave office in 4 or 8 years democratically. Ergo, for all his faults, he is not a fascist.



*Please don't get me started on Lawrence Britt...

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
12. Keep thinking that...
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jun 2016

Unless you're lying in a ditch somewhere. Don't worry, you'll be next to people like me.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
18. Take them off the television screen?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:56 PM
Jun 2016

If Trump had to pay for every moment of television time that he gets no one would know who he is in the first place.

QED.

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