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Atman

(31,464 posts)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:35 PM Jun 2016

I'm going there; I STILL think Trump is deliberately trying to lose.

Last edited Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:13 PM - Edit history (1)

He's playing a game. Artful, in-artful, it's a freakin' game. He has no desire to be president because that would be WORK. He doesn't even have a campaign operation. He is either seriously mentally ill, or a genius in how to lose. How can a serious candidate do the stuff he's doing and honestly expect to get elected.

He's selling time shares is what he's doing. Tell The Mrs. how beautiful she is, tell the man that his new condo is crawling with chicks, just tell them ANYTHING to get them to sign the purchase agreement. What happens afterwards isn't his problem...except this time, he realizes it will be his problem. He doesn't want this crap. The bombast and hate will intensify, the corporate media will fall in line behind the corporate candidate, and Trump knows it. Play out the game, then blame his loss on "the media" and all the people who hated him. Never his own fault.

Trump does not want to win this.

If I were of Trump's mindset, I'd call for all Trump supporters to have to wear an orange lapel insignia following the election, just so we can ostracize and ridicule them in public.

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I'm going there; I STILL think Trump is deliberately trying to lose. (Original Post) Atman Jun 2016 OP
I've always felt that way. Dawgs Jun 2016 #1
He's only doing that because it worked in the Primaries. The reality is that he OnDoutside Jun 2016 #17
I agree. He seems to be saying things that are TexasBushwhacker Jun 2016 #2
I have thought that from the beginning. Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #3
I do too. And he's doing it to guarantee a Clinton White House notadmblnd Jun 2016 #4
Me, too! billymike Jun 2016 #26
This argument assumes Trump is magnanimous. joshcryer Jun 2016 #5
I absolutely believe it. Happyhippychick Jun 2016 #6
I'm finally starting to think he might not be Andy Kaufman in a Trump suit NightWatcher Jun 2016 #7
'Murka was troubled by the horrible ass... yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah KamaAina Jun 2016 #18
I've been saying since Faux pas Jun 2016 #8
I've thought that xloadiex Jun 2016 #9
He got into it on a lark and to feed his LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #10
I would believe it Invincibility Jun 2016 #11
There's a new Trump hotel going up down the street from the White House. HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #12
What if he wins anyway, then resign or does something to get impeached? His VP will be President. cyberswede Jun 2016 #13
I think he is a Republican. Xolodno Jun 2016 #14
Trump is already setting himself up to lose . . . Gamecock Lefty Jun 2016 #15
I was sure of that early on, but now not so sure elfin Jun 2016 #16
I will take it a step further and say he won't be their nominee The empressof all Jun 2016 #19
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #22
He needs to be formally nominated. PeteSelman Jun 2016 #20
he does seem to be imploding Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #21
No, he's too much of a narcissistic egomaniac. backscatter712 Jun 2016 #23
Agree 100% RobinA Jun 2016 #25
The man is just too good at selling himself. This election is going to be a litmus test for the USA Hekate Jun 2016 #24
He is a narcissistic megalomaniac. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #27
Well, if he picks Sarah Palin as his VP thucythucy Jun 2016 #28
What's best for the Trump "brand"? n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #29
One word: Alzheimer's L. Coyote Jun 2016 #30
Trump may be playing a game, the premise seems to be proving that HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #31
Is this a C.T. and against TOS? DeGreg Jun 2016 #32

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
17. He's only doing that because it worked in the Primaries. The reality is that he
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jun 2016

won't put his money where his big mouth is. That's why he has such a small staff, and it's showing. There are so many fires but no one to put them out. He's trapped into a cycle of saying controversial stuff to dominate the news cycle, because he has no other avenue to go down without spending money.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,185 posts)
2. I agree. He seems to be saying things that are
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jun 2016

progressively more stupid as time goes on. He doesn't want the job because that would require real work. He just likes all the attention.

Arkansas Granny

(31,516 posts)
3. I have thought that from the beginning.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jun 2016

I think he entered the race just for the attention and never imagined that people would take him seriously. Now, his ego is to big to let him drop out, so he has to lose just to get out from under it.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
4. I do too. And he's doing it to guarantee a Clinton White House
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jun 2016

After all it was Bill Clinton who encouraged him to run. That stays in the back of my mind.

billymike

(122 posts)
26. Me, too!
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jun 2016

Although Breitbart and (I think) Glenn Beck say that Trump is a Clinton plant.....maybe a carrot. But, really, I'd love to know what the two men discussed. Trump's campaign has a guerilla theater flavor to it, yet so clumsy and ham-handed.

Happyhippychick

(8,379 posts)
6. I absolutely believe it.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jun 2016

Trump is so impulsive, he doesn't think anything through. I'm sure that he is shocked he is where he is.

Faux pas

(14,672 posts)
8. I've been saying since
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jun 2016

he announced his run that he and the clintons are in cahoots. The worse he gets the better she looks.

xloadiex

(628 posts)
9. I've thought that
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jun 2016

exact same thing for a while. Only I think it was to insure the coronation. They never expected it to go this far.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
10. He got into it on a lark and to feed his
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jun 2016

enormous ego. Agree that he never expected to get this far. And agree that he wants out. All the shit he's been shoveling is a cry for help. Please hate me. Get me out of this mess.

I think that behind the scenes some sort of financial deal benefitting Trump is in the works. The RNC gives Trump a big wad of cash in exchange for allowing them to bring on board a VP candidate acceptable to the party regulars -- a Kasich type. Then at some point before the convention, Trump bows out citing unspecified "personal and business reasons" and urges his delegates to vote for the VP choice who is nominated by acclimation. The Repukes then unite to take on Hillary in the fall.

I don't think that's too far fetched of a scenario. I think Ryan and Priebus would do pretty much anything to rid themselves of that giant albatross around the party's neck.

 

Invincibility

(20 posts)
11. I would believe it
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jun 2016

He might be one of the biggest real life trolls ever. He ran as a protest candidate and probably had no idea that people would take him seriously. Then to his amusement, the GoP base was actually dumb enough to buy into his troll platform. Maybe he's trying to hand the GoP their worst defeat ever to send some kind of message.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
12. There's a new Trump hotel going up down the street from the White House.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jun 2016

This campaign seems like a year-long commercial for his brand more than anything.

It still doesn't take away from the fact that this is a phenomenally dangerous choice that puts America at great risk.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
13. What if he wins anyway, then resign or does something to get impeached? His VP will be President.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jun 2016

An unbelievable number of Americans love every minute of his schtick.
He says what they think, and acts how they wish they could act.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
14. I think he is a Republican.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jun 2016

With that said, I'm of the opinion that he thinks his party is so screwed up, he has to burn it down. It's playing so much lip service to the radical religious right wing...its ignoring and at times going against the traditional pro business ideology.

Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
15. Trump is already setting himself up to lose . . .
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jun 2016

He'll start the excuses as soon as it's official, but look for the #1 reason - "my heart just wasn't in it."

He knows Hillary is going to eat his lunch!

elfin

(6,262 posts)
16. I was sure of that early on, but now not so sure
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jun 2016

His ego is so massive, all he wants is a win and use the new power to jab at people he doesn't like -- for a while.

Even now, I half-expected him pick up his toys and go home after Hillary blasted him successfully. Losing to HER over any other woman would somehow be the worst loser humiliation of all. He would want to avoid that, even if his excuse for dropping out is ridiculous in the extreme.

The empressof all

(29,098 posts)
19. I will take it a step further and say he won't be their nominee
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jun 2016

I've been wondering who is waiting in the wings to step in at last minute. Someone like Newt Gingrich perhaps? Has this been a grand rope a dope scheme from the beginning to slip in someone like Newt who they didn't think could get through the primaries.

I agree...Trump doesn't want to win...but I also don't think he is prepared to lose his fortune and face a lifetime of mockery from the American public. I think he stepped in a pile way too big and can't see his way out. Could a medical emergency be in the wings? Will we see a Dementia Diagnosis?---- It's a way he can save face, stay in the public eye and raise money for a good cause in the future!



PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
20. He needs to be formally nominated.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:44 PM
Jun 2016

I think he's trying to weasel out of even running in the general. We don't need them pulling out someone who can beat our candidate on the "newness" factor orbit seeming reasonable for a Republican.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
23. No, he's too much of a narcissistic egomaniac.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jun 2016

He originally ran for President, so he could brag about running for President, and used some of his demagoguery tricks he learned from reading Hitler's speeches.

Then something happened. He started winning.

Now his monstrous ego won't let him drop out, and won't let him take a dive. He's going to be campaigning to win. He'll have no clue what to do if he does win and ends up in the White House, but he's now emotionally and narcissistically committed to this race. And his narcissistic personality has no idea how to emotionally manage an electoral defeat.

So we must defeat him. Not just to keep his vulgarian little fingers off the nuclear button, but so we get the comedy of watching his reaction to losing the election.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
25. Agree 100%
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jun 2016

You can't accuse him of being a narcissist and then say he doesn't want to win. It doesn't work like that. He can't drop out and there's no way he believes he can't run the country. If he wins, he farms most of the actual work out to underlings and just goes around bloviating on his pet subjects, maybe attempts to make a momentous decision every now and then. Hopefully he can be stopped before blowing anything up.

Best he not be given the chance.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
24. The man is just too good at selling himself. This election is going to be a litmus test for the USA
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jun 2016

I'm just praying he loses by the biggest landslide in history and takes the down-ballot GOPers with him -- just as freaky Ann Coulter predicted at the beginning.

I'm going to be watching with fascinated horror to see who in elected office lines up behind him, watch them squirm, and who will actually vote for him. That's what I mean by a litmus test for the nation. Who the hell ARE we to let it get to this point?!

If my prayers are answered and they lose big, my second prayer is that we don't let the GOP anywhere near the federal government again until they regain their sanity. But look at the left-left: ready to sacrifice all Democratic gains to prove a point.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
27. He is a narcissistic megalomaniac.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:32 PM
Jun 2016

Who once pretended to be another person to brag about his power and sexual prowess.

I think he believes in his own infallibility.

Trump thinks Hispanics/latinos, women, and blacks like him.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
31. Trump may be playing a game, the premise seems to be proving that
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jun 2016

Because American political campaigns are mostly a whole lot of deceptive marketing a master deceptive marketer such as himself can succeed masterfully, magnificently, huuuuuuuugely.

We ought not elect him, be we ought to thank him for the lesson.

 

DeGreg

(72 posts)
32. Is this a C.T. and against TOS?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:36 PM
Jun 2016

Having said that... Perhaps the voters are being kettled by the establishment with Donald's help to drive people to vote for Hillary and to drive votes away from a populist from the left (what the establishment fears most) by having a "crazy" populist right candidate to scare everyone back to "the status quo," or "more if the same" (which includes a war economy all the time).

Perhaps they didn't count on mrs Clinton crapping all over the plan with her reckless sense of being above accountability. I also think the establishment unestimated how easy it would be to take the population for granted. Perhaps we have not wised up enough to vote in our own interests, but enough of us have to put a few wrinkles in the works...

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