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Isis jihadis have executed 19 Yazidi girls in Iraq by locking them in iron cages and then burning them to death in front of hundreds of people.
The victims were taken hostage by the terror group to be used as sex slaves, but were put to death in Mosul for refusing to have sex with the militants.
ISIS took over the Yazidi region in northern Iraq in August 2014 causing the displacement of nearly 40,000 people.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3627063/ISIS-burn-19-Yazidi-girls-death-iron-cages-refused-sex-jihadists.html#ixzz4ApdcwOU9
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I can't even comprehend the mindset of these animals.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)enough
(13,259 posts)brush
(53,776 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 7, 2016, 04:26 PM - Edit history (2)
Restraint is necessary though. How do you go about bringing mindsets like that to the 21st century regarding womens' rights when they are that barbaric and centuries behind?
I sympathize but they have to work that out themselves.
We can help but wiht non-military assistance only.
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Roy Rolling
(6,917 posts)Nothing in this post mentions Islam. If you want to express anti-Christian bias, start your own thread. By linking what's going on as a religious conflict you are doing the work of propagandists. Nothing these murderers do is according to the tenets of Islam I believe, but am not an expert.
I know you are smarter than that, you are already skeptical of religions.
maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)nt
Jury didn't get it
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)If you're not an expert, then perhaps you should avoid making declarative statements such as the one cited above.
Does ISIS behave in a manner contrary to the Quran? Of course they do. No religious person or sect on the face of the fucking planet behaves in a manner totally consistent with the dictates of their holy book. But religion is more than just words on paper. Religion is also a function of its followers, their beliefs, and their actions. Cultural differentiation makes it impossible to define any of the three major religions in propositional terms. So saying shit like, "THAT'S NOT CHRISTIAN" or "THAT'S NOT ISLAM" displays nothing but a dim understanding of the sociology of religion, offers no useful information whatsoever, and actually inhibits progress by trying to shut down critical conversation.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)There, that evens it out.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)You are sick. No amount of minusing can possibly excuse this horrible act.
Bragi
(7,650 posts)Not much more to say.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Supporting the death penalty is the same! Oh true we do it "humanly" not in a cage like ISIS. We do it in a clean room where no one can see. It is the same!
This is wrong and so clearly awful. The death penalty is as well. Until all men and women are important non are safe!
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)live. These people are lower than dirt. They forfeit their status as human as soon as they commit such an atrocity.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)It is called prison.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)A couple of cents for a 5.56 round and that's about it...
SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)Let's kill people to show that it is wrong to kill people.
Life in a small cell with no chance of ever getting out is a worse sentence than letting these people think they are "martyrs", or to let the non-religious escape their misery.
romanic
(2,841 posts)Some people deserve no mercy.
Just reading posts
(688 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)"Bring 'em on!"
G_j
(40,367 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral,
begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy.
Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.
Through violence you may murder the liar,
but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth.
Through violence you may murder the hater,
but you do not murder hate.
In fact, violence merely increases hate.
So it goes.
Returning violence for violence multiplies violence,
adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness:
only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
-- Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Who gets to decide who gets to die is one of the central questions of this whole human experiment. As has been the case in pretty much every instance, or every one of them, might makes right.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... To death in a cage for the transgression of 'not giving it up'
Fuck em...
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)That's how human society has figured out which rules we live by. Talking and high minded ideals are nice, but when incompatible cultures/mindsets/ideologies come into contact, violence, in one form or another, has been and will be the answer.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Killing evil bastards who truly deserve it is one of the finest callings in life...
clarice
(5,504 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)What are we supposed to say here? "Well, it's their culture, so we must respect other peoples' cultures".
Coventina
(27,115 posts)On a sidenote, comparing ISIS to animals is an insult to animals. But I agree with your sentiment, leftynyc.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)you're absolutely right. Wild animals would never do something this heinous to their own species. Mea maxima culpa.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... because when a younger, stronger male lion defeats the master of a pride, he will kill, and often eat, the cubs of the defeated male to force the pride's lionesses into estrus so he can propagate his progeny. But they are animals; they cannot reason.
The pig excrement that rule ISIS are psychotic monsters who defile Islam, just as the Saudi Arabian Wahabbists that inspired them do. And they CAN reason, even if they choose not to, as is the case with any and all religious extremists, be they Baptists, Bathists, or what have you.
Religion is a mental disease; religious extremism is a crime against humanity, and should be treated as such. There are too many people on this planet as it is. There is no room for filth like this, and no excuse for their continued existence.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)the lions - killing the babies of another male. Blech. I'm all for getting rid of isis - I just can't figure out how to do it without killing a whole mess of civilians at the same time. They're cowards who hide behind women and children. Getting rid of them is going to be very difficult and very bloody.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I swear, if I hear that one more time I am going to lose my mind.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Who have said OUTLOUD that gays should be killed. They are not doing it because they are restrained for now by the law! So go speak to you Christian brothers and sisters and tell them to stop saying such things and you won't see posts like this anymore!
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Ted Cruz would have burned immoral women at the stake on tedcruz.com if he thought it could have gotten him elected.
brer cat
(24,562 posts)That is too hideous for anything to come to mind to call them.
Initech
(100,068 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)These are not the negotiating type I don't think. Hillary will have this headache to deal with in 2017. I don't envy her in this. This is probably the toughest situation any president will deal with.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Good God.
6chars
(3,967 posts)modestybl
(458 posts)... maybe instead of starting more wars (our Iraq and Syria interventions are directly responsible for the existence of ISIS, and the Libya invasions gave them another BoO), we should start with far better intelligence, and far less posturing.
McKim
(2,412 posts)Thanks for pointing out that without our interventions, ISIS would not exist.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)It's not an excellent post...it's the kind of drivel that passes for intelligent posting if nobody challenges it.
Blaming the US for Daesh is like blaming matches for the flammability of gasoline. While we certainly didn't help matters in failing to have a viable exit strategy, the militaristic religious conservatism that underpins Daesh existed long before the US was a country and erupts from time-to-time without our help. This is the result of circumstances on the ground, not US intervention.
This uprising was coming whether we got involved or not...your US-centrism is comical. We're just not that important...we make a good scapegoat to both Islamicists and lefty-pacifists, but that's all it is. Blame-shifting. If you want to know who is responsible for Daesh, ask yourself who benefits from their existence.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)modestybl
(458 posts)... I'll blame somebody striking a match near gasoline for being stupid. People universally react against outside invaders, and we dismantled a professional army gave them no alternative. Trying to depose Assad by arming rebels whose complex allegiances we didn't understand, and ended up funneling arms to ISIS was equally stupid. What "uprising" are you talking about? Sunni and Shia Iraqis both fought against Iran in the 1980s... we destroyed a country... that like saying that African Americans were going to riot in the 1960s regardless of how they were brutalized and marginalized ... White America's treatment of them had nothing to do with it.
Nonsense. We keep doing the same things in the ME and keep coming up with more chaos. But, hey, dfesnes industry campaign donors are happy, so that's what we're going to keep doing.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)أنا جزء في منطقة الشرق الاوسط، من أصل سوري. (I am part Middle-Eastern, of Syrian descent.)
وجاء جدي إلى الولايات المتحدة في عام 1913 من قرية خارج دمشق. (My grandfather came to the US in 1913 from a village outside Damascus.)
اتهموني العنصرية ضد نفسي هو هزلي. (Accusing me of bigotry against myself is comical.)
Mostly though, it offends. (Admittedly, my Arabic is bad...but it makes the point. You're accusing me of bigotry when I almost certainly know more about the actual causes of this conflict than some sofa pacifist that probably can't find Raqqa on a map.)
So...the post-Arab-Spring uprising in Syria & Iraq and its decay into the current disaster. It was happening whether we got involved or not. It was happening whether Shitstain Bush invaded Iraq or not...it's like the most predictable conflict in history. You can nearly set your watch to it. You think way way too short-term to actually understand this conflict.
I'm talking about the origins of Daesh and the sentiments that underpin it having their origins back in the11th and 14th and 15th centuries of the Common Era. Centuries before the United States was an entity and back when the other side of my mother's family (being Cree) were still stalking deer in what is now Alberta. It has nothing to fucking do with us...like I said, The United States just isn't that important, except as a scapegoat to rally against...American pacifist liberals and Daesh have something in common...blame America first!
Don't you know? We're to blame for the Sunni/Shia schism and wars in the middle-ages between rival caliphates. Ultimately, that's what this is about. The origins of Islam and an effort to regress to a "truer" practice of Islam in line with the insanity of centuries-dead warlords who literally thought they were anointed by Muhammad in the name of God to murder anybody that didn't practice Islam the way they did...and all the infidels. (They were schismatic fanatics, even in that time...enemies of Islam, enemies of Shiites and Sunni alike.)
You also have to ask yourself today...who benefits? It's not the US or the US defense industry...not really. We can sell weapons at any time to anybody...war isn't actually good for business, it endangers our interests abroad. The looming threat of violence that never comes...that's good for business.
You can't possibly be this dumb that you can't think even a little strategically and see who is benefiting here.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I'm sick of the lazy thinking that leads to "the US must be to blame.....somehow" for all the ills in the world. It makes liberals look like complete imbeciles with zero eye on history.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)is barbaric.
modestybl
(458 posts)... how many innocent people bombed and burnt with our drone strikes?... US citizens can't find out, but the people there know...
And we, particularly HRC, hasn't learned one thing... except maybe, defense contractors will pour money into her PACs. There is no sign of any change in our current ME policy, and that's going to be bad...
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)have been killing each other since long before the US was even a country.
modestybl
(458 posts)Kind of racist tinge to that statement, like bigots describe violence in minority communities as "those people just kill each other" and have nothing to do with poverty, lack of employment, education, police brutality, etc.
You are justifying military action... and possibly trying a lame excuse for your atrocious candidate ... you know, the one that not only voted for the Iraq war, but promoted it and lied about the intelligence she and Bill saw (totally non-existent).
So, Trump or HRC... war is more likely with HRC. Older women like her are convinced that they have to out-hawk all the men (like Thatcher, Kirkpatrick, Albright, etc.) Trump is a buffoon... but possibly less dangerous.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)And learn something today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Siffin
I'm not justifying anything. I'm showing the scorn I feel when anyone on DU wants to attribute all the problems in the world on the US. It's nothing but lazy bullshit thinking.
modestybl
(458 posts)You dig up ancient history with NO context ... people don't kill each other for what happened centuries ago... their grievances are always in the here and now.
Lazy bullshit is attacking an argument that wasn't made. These aren't "all the problems" in the world... but the ones US Bush/HRC started/promoted by destroying a country that had nothing to do with who attacked us on 911.
Maybe this lack of judgement and profound dishonesty is the reason HRC has record high negatives for a Dem POTUS candidate.
Why do you think isis is even IN Syria? Or Iraq? Why are they only blowing up SHITE mosques? Why are they being financed by Saudi Arabia? That you're completely ignorant of the history is nobody's problem but your own.
modestybl
(458 posts)...in order to make the case that recent US ME incursions have nothing to do with enabling these groups. There are reasons why leaders like Saddam, Assad, and Ghadaffi are in power... (Tito and Harold Washington for that matter).
That kind of logic is exactly why we can't have HRC as POTUS.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)ACTUALLY knowing the history of the region is inconvenient to those who wish to blame all the world's troubles on US policy? The sunni and shia would be getting along FAMOUSLY without the dreaded US policy. This conversation is pointless.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)There needs to be a certain level of prerequisite knowledge on a topic before posting. You need to do more reading and listening, less speaking and writing.
modestybl
(458 posts)... for centuries... but the IRA arose from injustices that people experienced in their own lives, not some centuries-old grievances. If the US had joined UK in a ground invasion of Northern Ireland, we'd have chaos there today.
But you are on the side of perpetual war.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Well stared. Thank you!
Well put. One day many of these DUers will realize the Shia/Sunni divide and the massive amounts of blood entailed has been going on since long before bush/dick were born.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Without our intervention, Iraq would have been stable forever and ever. Saddam was strong, smart, and beloved in his nation. All across the spectrum, he was a respected figure who united the various sects of Islam.
Radical Islamists never would have gotten a foothold in Iraq is Saddam, and / or his sons, were still alive.
Democat
(11,617 posts)This is a big problem on DU.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Just like they have for last Millennium or so.
Sorry that burst your bubble.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)Wow...
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Wow
TipTok
(2,474 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Look it up on wiki.
MorningFrog
(16 posts)This is just too horrible to wrap my head around.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)This one, for example:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10143418
ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Cut off their dicks and drown them in pig's guts. Seriously nothing is too terrible for these assholes who have been free to carry out their psychopathic murdering rampage for way too long.
Realistically I'd want to see at least some of the leadership tried in the Hague for war crimes etc..
Looking for other sources I ran into this other gem:
ISIS Tortures 2-Year-Old to Death Because Sex Slave Mother Didn't Obey Daesh Rules
http://en.alalam.ir/news/1821383
Angel Martin
(942 posts)that will teach them...
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)It would revisit their horrible crimes for all the world to see and be reminded of. There would be a prosecutor who would paint them as the monsters they are and show that what they do is a sick bastardization of Islam. It would show the world and all moderate Muslims, that these kinds of bastards cannot get away forever with these crimes. It would also give some kind of closure to the thousands of poor girls and women who have survived that kind of treatment. It would give proof that the western world does care about them and justice for their abusers. Ideally it would be great to find a moderate Muslim prosecutor to carry this out.
Yes, I'd like someone to blow them away on the battle field. But that is where they would like to die, and be hailed as martyrs. I'd like some of them, and their crimes, to be dragged through the public eye for months instead of being secretly killed from a drone and having an Islamic State funeral with all the trappings.
Angel Martin
(942 posts)they brag about enslaving and forced marriage and rape etc. in order to recruit more like them
"expose their crimes" you have got to be kidding
all that would show is to the muslim world, the west is to weak to pull the trigger, even on the likes of ISIS.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)I'd like to make them suffer as much as their victims.
But do you actually believe that is going to happen? What do you propose? Are you heading a clandestine mission to carry that out (don't forget to take some video).
My point was that, yes they should be destroyed, but napalming their camps, or the equivalent, leaving no one left alive to answer for the brutal harm they have caused to thousands, would be a major fail IMO. I want to watch women stand up and point them out and describe to the world what they did. Where they are isolated, alone without their rapt followers there to support them. Where the crimes themselves are isolated, away from any religious context.
I am not saying do not fight them. Of course they should be annihilated. But its not an either/or question. We could still put an end to their terror spree, and also collect a few top psychos to be put on display. No its not going to do these monsters any good as far as helping them to see the error of their ways, but it would show to the world, and any followers, their leaders in chains, behind bars, forced to face the judgment of others for a change. Allah will not be coming down to save them.
There is more ways than one to skin an ISIS leader.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Baste them with oil, too, with their dicks in their mouths. Drowning is too kind.
Where are suicide bombers when you need them? Somebody to blow these demons back to Hell?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I'm serious.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)There is no bottom to the level of their depravity.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Broadly speaking, I think that any response that doesn't include massive Western military involvement will fail to stop them, and any response that does will inflict a hell of a lot of collateral damage. "Too much" is actually a lot less than "enough". I'm not sure what the lesser evil is, but I don't see any good options.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Only ones less bad than others. I wouldn't want to be the one making these decisions right now.
LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)I had HOPED this was an example of the Daily Mail being unreliable, but it's being reported everywhere:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-burn-19-yazidi-women-to-death-in-mosul-for-refusing-to-have-sex-with-isis-militants-a7066956.html
These are just vicious gangsters who are using religion as an excuse - adultery is a sin in Islam after all. I don't believe in hell, but if I did, that's where they'd be going.
"These are just vicious gangsters who are using religion as an excuse "
Name a country where these "vicious gangsters" people DON'T commit these kind of atrocities.
Its endless.
EX500rider
(10,842 posts)How about just about ALL countries?
Where exactly, let's say in Europe or N America have they recently burned 19 girls to death in iron cages after they refused to have sex?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)The excuse making is absolutely sickening.
bdwker
(435 posts)Try substituting another word for the euphemism "vicious gangster" and it will make a lot more sense.
MH1
(17,600 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Variations on that theme are repeated many many times in the Quran.
These girls were presumably killed under that injunction (along with the fact they refused to be willing sex slaves - which Islam also allows slavery by the way).
These vicious gangsters have as much support as they do precisely because they are following Quranic law to the letter.
MH1
(17,600 posts)As a comparison, similar words are in the Bible about sinners. BUT in the New Testament at least, it is made very clear that it is up to God to judge and punish. (Not that all his followers on earth actually remember those parts.)
The question is whether the Quran is clear that Muslims may carry out what they perceive to be Allah's judgment against the infidels; or is it left up to Allah to administer the punishment, as it is in Christianity.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. Al-Fitnah (disbelief or unrest) is worse than killing..."
Not sure what is confusing about that passage
jpak
(41,757 posts)yup
Invincibility
(20 posts)If you had no clue what ISIS was and heard of this story, you'd probably think they were some kind of Satanic cult or something. Truly a sick and twisted interpretation of Islam they're following. ISIS need to be utterly stomped into the ground for the good of the world and civilized society in general.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)"Let's build iron cages and roast prisoners to death in them. In front of thousands of people." Not even Kim Jong Un is this bad, and it's not for lack of trying.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It almost makes me insane. I cannot understand such hateful, cruel actions. I really can't.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Mariana
(14,856 posts)of killing people by burning them alive. It's not like it's never been done before.
Those poor women.
tblue37
(65,340 posts)committing such atrocities.
Besides, their atrocities serve to terrorize the people they conquer and oppress, and also to make those who might otherwise resist or fight so terrified of falling into their hands that they drop their weapons and run away, even if they outnumber the monsters. They know that if they are captured alive, they won't just be killed, but instead subjected to such extraordinary suffering that they are too afraid to risk it.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Thankfully most Muslims reject such violence, but unfortunately there are lots of calls for it in the Quran and various hadiths.
bdwker
(435 posts)Its not their first atrocity.
IT WONT BE THEIR LAST.
So what do you want to do except be outraged?
A Stern Word ?
Continue drones ?
Send US Troops ?
Nuke em ?
Hope that other countries in ME will do it ? (Don't hold your breath)
Ask EU to get involved ?
Ask Israel to do it?
Not so easy.
The sane and sensible Muslims would get tired of this crap and turn on the radicals within their faith. Islam needs to cleanse itself of these nutjobs from within.
bdwker
(435 posts)And the atrocities will go on and on.
Thaaaaank you for responding.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Muslims must figure this out themselves.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Cooking women in iron cages, because they would not become sex slaves has to be one of the worst things I've ever read. I hope ISIS is eradicated.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Sickening.
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)They stood their ground and suffered immensely for it. I can't imagine the pain and suffering.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)and napalm their ass. They are truly sick fuckers that deserve to die a painful and horrible death.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Or should someone else take care of it?
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)So what?
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)n/t
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)But of course the powerful, stinking rich Gulf States are too busy executing gay people and apostates themselves to be able to oppose ISIS. Too much on their plate, between shopping for new jets and sports cars and lopping the heads of LGBT they are just too busy to make justice for other Muslims.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)in a situation like this. Id tell them to go test out your latest and greatest in this new "lab" we call ISIS held territory. Imagine sending 10,000 drones...so many that it blocks out the sun to wipe these scumbags out. If that doesn't work, we just have to acknowledge that some cancers need to be treated with radiation, and ISIS is one of them.
There is a time for diplomacy, and then there is a time for drones. When you start roasting young girls in cages, it's time to send in our RC dogs of war.
Just reading posts
(688 posts)Invincibility
(20 posts)It's like these people think they're Genghis Khan and the mongols or something. Riding into towns, raping, pillaging and burning people alive in cages to set an example of what happens to opposition.
clarice
(5,504 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)That issue apparently deserves much more attention.
harrose
(380 posts)... more blood that you are responsible for with your horrible Rethug policies. You should all be tried, convicted, sentenced and executed for your war crimes.