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leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:09 PM Jun 2016

ISIS burn 19 Yazidi girls to death in iron cages after they refused to have sex with jihadists

Isis jihadis have executed 19 Yazidi girls in Iraq by locking them in iron cages and then burning them to death in front of hundreds of people.
The victims were taken hostage by the terror group to be used as sex slaves, but were put to death in Mosul for refusing to have sex with the militants.
ISIS took over the Yazidi region in northern Iraq in August 2014 causing the displacement of nearly 40,000 people.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3627063/ISIS-burn-19-Yazidi-girls-death-iron-cages-refused-sex-jihadists.html#ixzz4ApdcwOU9
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I can't even comprehend the mindset of these animals.

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ISIS burn 19 Yazidi girls to death in iron cages after they refused to have sex with jihadists (Original Post) leftynyc Jun 2016 OP
Or those who support or justify the actions of these twisted monsters. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #1
I can't imagine any animals doing this. Seems like a particularly human sort of atrocity. (nt) enough Jun 2016 #2
That sort of unbelievable cruelty makes one think of intervening even more. brush Jun 2016 #104
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #3
Off Topic Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #12
linuxman's post was a critique of the false equivalency police on DU maxsolomon Jun 2016 #20
Yep d_r Jun 2016 #58
"Nothing these murderers do is according to the tenets of Islam I believe, but am not an expert." Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #78
This is why I support the death penalty, some humans just need to be put the fuck down snooper2 Jun 2016 #4
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #28
-1000 pangaia Jun 2016 #52
No it doesn't. Are you saying you approve of this atrocity? smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #57
Opposing death penalty does not mean approval of murder Bragi Jun 2016 #80
You missed it completely. Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #86
I'm sorry, but anyone capable of committing a crime of this magnitude doesn't deserve to smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #109
That is why we have places for people like this. Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #112
More than they are worth... TipTok Jun 2016 #115
Your rationale: SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #36
Damn straight. romanic Jun 2016 #38
Agreed. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #81
Because nothing stops killing like more killing. Octafish Jun 2016 #84
I heard that G_j Jun 2016 #113
''Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.'' Octafish Jun 2016 #129
That's what ISIS says too The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #85
I'm comfortable with my decision to kill anyone who burns innocents... TipTok Jun 2016 #116
Not saying you shouldn't be The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #127
Pretty much... TipTok Jun 2016 #130
Right on snooper.nt clarice Jun 2016 #100
They seem to believe they are right, and that their god approves. Quantess Jun 2016 #5
nope.nt clarice Jun 2016 #101
The poor dears couldn't help themselves. US foreign policy made them do it!!! Coventina Jun 2016 #6
You know, leftynyc Jun 2016 #7
Actually, that's not entirely accurate... gregcrawford Jun 2016 #26
I did not know that about leftynyc Jun 2016 #72
Or "Christians would do it if they could get away with it". smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #29
Me2 840high Jun 2016 #33
Me 3. nt clarice Jun 2016 #102
There have been plenty of Christians in this country... Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #87
Likely would... TipTok Jun 2016 #117
No words. brer cat Jun 2016 #8
Fuck ISIS, Boko Haram, and the Taliban. Initech Jun 2016 #9
The question is what can Hillary do about it yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #61
Fuck. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #10
Bummer, man 6chars Jun 2016 #11
Blowback from our intervention continues... modestybl Jun 2016 #13
Excellent Post McKim Jun 2016 #27
Except that it is an oversimplification that is probably untrue. Chan790 Jun 2016 #34
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #68
Utterly ignorant of recent history... not to mention bigoted. modestybl Jun 2016 #69
Uh...immodest. Chan790 Jun 2016 #77
Thank you so much for this. n/t trotsky Jun 2016 #105
Great post leftynyc Jun 2016 #107
Thank you. (no text) Quantess Jun 2016 #121
even if you were right, burning women in cages treestar Jun 2016 #83
Agreed... and its what our ME policies have helped bring about... modestybl Jun 2016 #90
The Sunni & Shia leftynyc Jun 2016 #91
No, they haven't been "kiiling each other" ... modestybl Jun 2016 #94
Spare me the bullshit leftynyc Jun 2016 #95
Lazy bullshit thinking? modestybl Jun 2016 #96
LOL leftynyc Jun 2016 #97
You are twisting yourself into logical pretzels... modestybl Jun 2016 #98
You mean leftynyc Jun 2016 #99
You didn't know that Sunnis and Shias have been killing each other for centuries? Quantess Jun 2016 #122
And Irish and English and Scots have been "killing each other" modestybl Jun 2016 #128
+10000 Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #88
+1000 leftynyc Jun 2016 #73
Saddam Hussein would be an immortal if not for us FrodosPet Jun 2016 #74
Blame America for everything bad in the world Democat Jun 2016 #70
They'd be slaughtering women and children one way or the other... TipTok Jun 2016 #118
More blood on Bush's hands. Thanks for destabilizing a region and two countries, AWOL McFuckstick. Feeling the Bern Jun 2016 #14
That's a whole lot of stereotypes wrapped up into one... TipTok Jun 2016 #119
Now DUers defend Bush destabilizing the Middle East? Feeling the Bern Jun 2016 #123
... and there is the cherry on top of the stereotype sundae... TipTok Jun 2016 #126
Daily Mail? Are you familiar with the history of that tabloid? closeupready Jun 2016 #15
Another source is reporting this as well MorningFrog Jun 2016 #18
Some of the most respected DUers cite the Daily Mail as a source. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #19
oops nt ohnoyoudidnt Jun 2016 #23
. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #25
Oh damn. Well played!! nt Codeine Jun 2016 #47
. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #53
I hope they catch a few of these motherfuckers alive LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #16
oh yeah, the Hague Angel Martin Jun 2016 #17
It would embarrass them and their followers LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #21
you are talking about people who post video of their murders and tortures on facebook Angel Martin Jun 2016 #30
did you read my first post? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #42
Roast them alive along with pig guts; Ilsa Jun 2016 #22
Sounds like a good idea to me. smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #31
As nonviolent as I am, I'm willing to make an exception in their case. NT Ilsa Jun 2016 #55
God, that's horrific! smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #110
What can you do? Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #24
There are no "good" options leftynyc Jun 2016 #92
Absolutely sickening LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #32
No shit. bdwker Jun 2016 #35
"Name a country where these "vicious gangsters" people DON'T commit these kind of atrocities." EX500rider Jun 2016 #46
Unbelievable! smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #60
Hmmmmm... bdwker Jun 2016 #63
I don't follow you. Which word? nt MH1 Jun 2016 #75
The Quran is clear that infidels who refuse to convert can be killed, hideously riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #43
Your excerpt does not confirm your subject line. MH1 Jun 2016 #76
The question does seem to have an answer GummyBearz Jun 2016 #93
Trump Amerika 2017 jpak Jun 2016 #37
Disturbing and shocking Invincibility Jun 2016 #39
Who the heck even thinks this way? jmowreader Jun 2016 #40
I just can't believe the lack of humanity. smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #45
It's like Torquemada jmowreader Jun 2016 #50
They aren't the first to come up with the idea Mariana Jun 2016 #59
Probably they have tied their own sexual response to torture, so they get off on tblue37 Jun 2016 #71
Bukhari (11:626) trotsky Jun 2016 #108
Everyone is correctly outraged. So now what ? bdwker Jun 2016 #41
Ideally Invincibility Jun 2016 #44
I think we both know thats NOT going to happen. bdwker Jun 2016 #48
Its a civil war within Islam. We'll never be able to solve it with outside intervention riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #51
ISIS wants to be wiped out to the very last man, is all I can come up with. Rex Jun 2016 #49
Good lord. Its time to move on Mosul and eradicate those monsters. DCBob Jun 2016 #54
Those poor girls Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #56
Round the perpetrators up, put them in a cage taught_me_patience Jun 2016 #62
You signing up? philosslayer Jun 2016 #64
Professional soldiers should take care of it. taught_me_patience Jun 2016 #65
Boots on the ground? philosslayer Jun 2016 #66
What should happen is that those in their region who share that faith should deal with them. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #79
I'd be all for allowing Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, etc. carte blanche Kang Colby Jun 2016 #67
There's a time when the word "barbarians" is entirely apropos. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #82
Agree Invincibility Jun 2016 #89
I'm with you Lefty. nt clarice Jun 2016 #103
BUT HAVE YOU SEEN THE NEW X-MEN MOVIE POSTER?!?!?!?!? TheSarcastinator Jun 2016 #106
Thanks Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Trump, etc... harrose Jun 2016 #111
sick a holes Liberal_in_LA Jun 2016 #114
... BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2016 #120
We're supposed to believe they didn't rape them anyway? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jun 2016 #124
Animals are more civilized than ISIS. nt zanana1 Jun 2016 #125

brush

(53,776 posts)
104. That sort of unbelievable cruelty makes one think of intervening even more.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Tue Jun 7, 2016, 04:26 PM - Edit history (2)

Restraint is necessary though. How do you go about bringing mindsets like that to the 21st century regarding womens' rights when they are that barbaric and centuries behind?

I sympathize but they have to work that out themselves.

We can help but wiht non-military assistance only.

Response to leftynyc (Original post)

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
12. Off Topic
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jun 2016

Nothing in this post mentions Islam. If you want to express anti-Christian bias, start your own thread. By linking what's going on as a religious conflict you are doing the work of propagandists. Nothing these murderers do is according to the tenets of Islam I believe, but am not an expert.

I know you are smarter than that, you are already skeptical of religions.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
78. "Nothing these murderers do is according to the tenets of Islam I believe, but am not an expert."
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:48 AM
Jun 2016

If you're not an expert, then perhaps you should avoid making declarative statements such as the one cited above.

Does ISIS behave in a manner contrary to the Quran? Of course they do. No religious person or sect on the face of the fucking planet behaves in a manner totally consistent with the dictates of their holy book. But religion is more than just words on paper. Religion is also a function of its followers, their beliefs, and their actions. Cultural differentiation makes it impossible to define any of the three major religions in propositional terms. So saying shit like, "THAT'S NOT CHRISTIAN" or "THAT'S NOT ISLAM" displays nothing but a dim understanding of the sociology of religion, offers no useful information whatsoever, and actually inhibits progress by trying to shut down critical conversation.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
57. No it doesn't. Are you saying you approve of this atrocity?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jun 2016

You are sick. No amount of minusing can possibly excuse this horrible act.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
86. You missed it completely.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:15 AM
Jun 2016

Supporting the death penalty is the same! Oh true we do it "humanly" not in a cage like ISIS. We do it in a clean room where no one can see. It is the same!

This is wrong and so clearly awful. The death penalty is as well. Until all men and women are important non are safe!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
109. I'm sorry, but anyone capable of committing a crime of this magnitude doesn't deserve to
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jun 2016

live. These people are lower than dirt. They forfeit their status as human as soon as they commit such an atrocity.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
36. Your rationale:
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:01 PM
Jun 2016

Let's kill people to show that it is wrong to kill people.
Life in a small cell with no chance of ever getting out is a worse sentence than letting these people think they are "martyrs", or to let the non-religious escape their misery.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
129. ''Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.''
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:42 AM
Jun 2016

The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral,
begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy.
Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.
Through violence you may murder the liar,
but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth.
Through violence you may murder the hater,
but you do not murder hate.
In fact, violence merely increases hate.
So it goes.
Returning violence for violence multiplies violence,
adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness:
only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.

-- Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
85. That's what ISIS says too
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:11 AM
Jun 2016

Who gets to decide who gets to die is one of the central questions of this whole human experiment. As has been the case in pretty much every instance, or every one of them, might makes right.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
116. I'm comfortable with my decision to kill anyone who burns innocents...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:49 AM
Jun 2016

... To death in a cage for the transgression of 'not giving it up'

Fuck em...

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
127. Not saying you shouldn't be
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:46 AM
Jun 2016

That's how human society has figured out which rules we live by. Talking and high minded ideals are nice, but when incompatible cultures/mindsets/ideologies come into contact, violence, in one form or another, has been and will be the answer.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
130. Pretty much...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jun 2016

Killing evil bastards who truly deserve it is one of the finest callings in life...

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
5. They seem to believe they are right, and that their god approves.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:23 PM
Jun 2016

What are we supposed to say here? "Well, it's their culture, so we must respect other peoples' cultures".

Coventina

(27,115 posts)
6. The poor dears couldn't help themselves. US foreign policy made them do it!!!
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jun 2016

On a sidenote, comparing ISIS to animals is an insult to animals. But I agree with your sentiment, leftynyc.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
7. You know,
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jun 2016

you're absolutely right. Wild animals would never do something this heinous to their own species. Mea maxima culpa.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
26. Actually, that's not entirely accurate...
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jun 2016

... because when a younger, stronger male lion defeats the master of a pride, he will kill, and often eat, the cubs of the defeated male to force the pride's lionesses into estrus so he can propagate his progeny. But they are animals; they cannot reason.

The pig excrement that rule ISIS are psychotic monsters who defile Islam, just as the Saudi Arabian Wahabbists that inspired them do. And they CAN reason, even if they choose not to, as is the case with any and all religious extremists, be they Baptists, Bathists, or what have you.

Religion is a mental disease; religious extremism is a crime against humanity, and should be treated as such. There are too many people on this planet as it is. There is no room for filth like this, and no excuse for their continued existence.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
72. I did not know that about
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 05:10 AM
Jun 2016

the lions - killing the babies of another male. Blech. I'm all for getting rid of isis - I just can't figure out how to do it without killing a whole mess of civilians at the same time. They're cowards who hide behind women and children. Getting rid of them is going to be very difficult and very bloody.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
29. Or "Christians would do it if they could get away with it".
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:41 PM
Jun 2016

I swear, if I hear that one more time I am going to lose my mind.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
87. There have been plenty of Christians in this country...
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:19 AM
Jun 2016

Who have said OUTLOUD that gays should be killed. They are not doing it because they are restrained for now by the law! So go speak to you Christian brothers and sisters and tell them to stop saying such things and you won't see posts like this anymore!

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
117. Likely would...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:51 AM
Jun 2016

Ted Cruz would have burned immoral women at the stake on tedcruz.com if he thought it could have gotten him elected.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
61. The question is what can Hillary do about it
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jun 2016

These are not the negotiating type I don't think. Hillary will have this headache to deal with in 2017. I don't envy her in this. This is probably the toughest situation any president will deal with.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
13. Blowback from our intervention continues...
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:35 PM
Jun 2016

... maybe instead of starting more wars (our Iraq and Syria interventions are directly responsible for the existence of ISIS, and the Libya invasions gave them another BoO), we should start with far better intelligence, and far less posturing.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
34. Except that it is an oversimplification that is probably untrue.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:52 PM
Jun 2016

It's not an excellent post...it's the kind of drivel that passes for intelligent posting if nobody challenges it.

Blaming the US for Daesh is like blaming matches for the flammability of gasoline. While we certainly didn't help matters in failing to have a viable exit strategy, the militaristic religious conservatism that underpins Daesh existed long before the US was a country and erupts from time-to-time without our help. This is the result of circumstances on the ground, not US intervention.

This uprising was coming whether we got involved or not...your US-centrism is comical. We're just not that important...we make a good scapegoat to both Islamicists and lefty-pacifists, but that's all it is. Blame-shifting. If you want to know who is responsible for Daesh, ask yourself who benefits from their existence.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
69. Utterly ignorant of recent history... not to mention bigoted.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:42 AM
Jun 2016

... I'll blame somebody striking a match near gasoline for being stupid. People universally react against outside invaders, and we dismantled a professional army gave them no alternative. Trying to depose Assad by arming rebels whose complex allegiances we didn't understand, and ended up funneling arms to ISIS was equally stupid. What "uprising" are you talking about? Sunni and Shia Iraqis both fought against Iran in the 1980s... we destroyed a country... that like saying that African Americans were going to riot in the 1960s regardless of how they were brutalized and marginalized ... White America's treatment of them had nothing to do with it.

Nonsense. We keep doing the same things in the ME and keep coming up with more chaos. But, hey, dfesnes industry campaign donors are happy, so that's what we're going to keep doing.


 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
77. Uh...immodest.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:37 AM
Jun 2016

أنا جزء في منطقة الشرق الاوسط، من أصل سوري. (I am part Middle-Eastern, of Syrian descent.)
وجاء جدي إلى الولايات المتحدة في عام 1913 من قرية خارج دمشق. (My grandfather came to the US in 1913 from a village outside Damascus.)
اتهموني العنصرية ضد نفسي هو هزلي. (Accusing me of bigotry against myself is comical.)

Mostly though, it offends. (Admittedly, my Arabic is bad...but it makes the point. You're accusing me of bigotry when I almost certainly know more about the actual causes of this conflict than some sofa pacifist that probably can't find Raqqa on a map.)

So...the post-Arab-Spring uprising in Syria & Iraq and its decay into the current disaster. It was happening whether we got involved or not. It was happening whether Shitstain Bush invaded Iraq or not...it's like the most predictable conflict in history. You can nearly set your watch to it. You think way way too short-term to actually understand this conflict.

I'm talking about the origins of Daesh and the sentiments that underpin it having their origins back in the11th and 14th and 15th centuries of the Common Era. Centuries before the United States was an entity and back when the other side of my mother's family (being Cree) were still stalking deer in what is now Alberta. It has nothing to fucking do with us...like I said, The United States just isn't that important, except as a scapegoat to rally against...American pacifist liberals and Daesh have something in common...blame America first!

Don't you know? We're to blame for the Sunni/Shia schism and wars in the middle-ages between rival caliphates. Ultimately, that's what this is about. The origins of Islam and an effort to regress to a "truer" practice of Islam in line with the insanity of centuries-dead warlords who literally thought they were anointed by Muhammad in the name of God to murder anybody that didn't practice Islam the way they did...and all the infidels. (They were schismatic fanatics, even in that time...enemies of Islam, enemies of Shiites and Sunni alike.)

You also have to ask yourself today...who benefits? It's not the US or the US defense industry...not really. We can sell weapons at any time to anybody...war isn't actually good for business, it endangers our interests abroad. The looming threat of violence that never comes...that's good for business.

You can't possibly be this dumb that you can't think even a little strategically and see who is benefiting here.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
107. Great post
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jun 2016

I'm sick of the lazy thinking that leads to "the US must be to blame.....somehow" for all the ills in the world. It makes liberals look like complete imbeciles with zero eye on history.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
90. Agreed... and its what our ME policies have helped bring about...
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 11:46 AM
Jun 2016

... how many innocent people bombed and burnt with our drone strikes?... US citizens can't find out, but the people there know...

And we, particularly HRC, hasn't learned one thing... except maybe, defense contractors will pour money into her PACs. There is no sign of any change in our current ME policy, and that's going to be bad...

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
94. No, they haven't been "kiiling each other" ...
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jun 2016

Kind of racist tinge to that statement, like bigots describe violence in minority communities as "those people just kill each other" and have nothing to do with poverty, lack of employment, education, police brutality, etc.

You are justifying military action... and possibly trying a lame excuse for your atrocious candidate ... you know, the one that not only voted for the Iraq war, but promoted it and lied about the intelligence she and Bill saw (totally non-existent).

So, Trump or HRC... war is more likely with HRC. Older women like her are convinced that they have to out-hawk all the men (like Thatcher, Kirkpatrick, Albright, etc.) Trump is a buffoon... but possibly less dangerous.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
95. Spare me the bullshit
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jun 2016

And learn something today:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Siffin

I'm not justifying anything. I'm showing the scorn I feel when anyone on DU wants to attribute all the problems in the world on the US. It's nothing but lazy bullshit thinking.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
96. Lazy bullshit thinking?
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jun 2016

You dig up ancient history with NO context ... people don't kill each other for what happened centuries ago... their grievances are always in the here and now.

Lazy bullshit is attacking an argument that wasn't made. These aren't "all the problems" in the world... but the ones US Bush/HRC started/promoted by destroying a country that had nothing to do with who attacked us on 911.

Maybe this lack of judgement and profound dishonesty is the reason HRC has record high negatives for a Dem POTUS candidate.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
97. LOL
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jun 2016

Why do you think isis is even IN Syria? Or Iraq? Why are they only blowing up SHITE mosques? Why are they being financed by Saudi Arabia? That you're completely ignorant of the history is nobody's problem but your own.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
98. You are twisting yourself into logical pretzels...
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:46 PM
Jun 2016

...in order to make the case that recent US ME incursions have nothing to do with enabling these groups. There are reasons why leaders like Saddam, Assad, and Ghadaffi are in power... (Tito and Harold Washington for that matter).

That kind of logic is exactly why we can't have HRC as POTUS.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
99. You mean
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jun 2016

ACTUALLY knowing the history of the region is inconvenient to those who wish to blame all the world's troubles on US policy? The sunni and shia would be getting along FAMOUSLY without the dreaded US policy. This conversation is pointless.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
122. You didn't know that Sunnis and Shias have been killing each other for centuries?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:05 AM
Jun 2016

There needs to be a certain level of prerequisite knowledge on a topic before posting. You need to do more reading and listening, less speaking and writing.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
128. And Irish and English and Scots have been "killing each other"
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jun 2016

... for centuries... but the IRA arose from injustices that people experienced in their own lives, not some centuries-old grievances. If the US had joined UK in a ground invasion of Northern Ireland, we'd have chaos there today.

But you are on the side of perpetual war.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
73. +1000
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 05:17 AM
Jun 2016

Well put. One day many of these DUers will realize the Shia/Sunni divide and the massive amounts of blood entailed has been going on since long before bush/dick were born.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
74. Saddam Hussein would be an immortal if not for us
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:39 AM
Jun 2016

Without our intervention, Iraq would have been stable forever and ever. Saddam was strong, smart, and beloved in his nation. All across the spectrum, he was a respected figure who united the various sects of Islam.

Radical Islamists never would have gotten a foothold in Iraq is Saddam, and / or his sons, were still alive.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
118. They'd be slaughtering women and children one way or the other...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:53 AM
Jun 2016

Just like they have for last Millennium or so.

Sorry that burst your bubble.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
16. I hope they catch a few of these motherfuckers alive
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jun 2016

Cut off their dicks and drown them in pig's guts. Seriously nothing is too terrible for these assholes who have been free to carry out their psychopathic murdering rampage for way too long.

Realistically I'd want to see at least some of the leadership tried in the Hague for war crimes etc..

Looking for other sources I ran into this other gem:

ISIS Tortures 2-Year-Old to Death Because Sex Slave Mother Didn't Obey Daesh Rules

http://en.alalam.ir/news/1821383

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
21. It would embarrass them and their followers
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jun 2016

It would revisit their horrible crimes for all the world to see and be reminded of. There would be a prosecutor who would paint them as the monsters they are and show that what they do is a sick bastardization of Islam. It would show the world and all moderate Muslims, that these kinds of bastards cannot get away forever with these crimes. It would also give some kind of closure to the thousands of poor girls and women who have survived that kind of treatment. It would give proof that the western world does care about them and justice for their abusers. Ideally it would be great to find a moderate Muslim prosecutor to carry this out.

Yes, I'd like someone to blow them away on the battle field. But that is where they would like to die, and be hailed as martyrs. I'd like some of them, and their crimes, to be dragged through the public eye for months instead of being secretly killed from a drone and having an Islamic State funeral with all the trappings.

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
30. you are talking about people who post video of their murders and tortures on facebook
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:41 PM
Jun 2016

they brag about enslaving and forced marriage and rape etc. in order to recruit more like them


"expose their crimes" you have got to be kidding

all that would show is to the muslim world, the west is to weak to pull the trigger, even on the likes of ISIS.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
42. did you read my first post?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:20 PM
Jun 2016

I'd like to make them suffer as much as their victims.

But do you actually believe that is going to happen? What do you propose? Are you heading a clandestine mission to carry that out (don't forget to take some video).

My point was that, yes they should be destroyed, but napalming their camps, or the equivalent, leaving no one left alive to answer for the brutal harm they have caused to thousands, would be a major fail IMO. I want to watch women stand up and point them out and describe to the world what they did. Where they are isolated, alone without their rapt followers there to support them. Where the crimes themselves are isolated, away from any religious context.

I am not saying do not fight them. Of course they should be annihilated. But its not an either/or question. We could still put an end to their terror spree, and also collect a few top psychos to be put on display. No its not going to do these monsters any good as far as helping them to see the error of their ways, but it would show to the world, and any followers, their leaders in chains, behind bars, forced to face the judgment of others for a change. Allah will not be coming down to save them.

There is more ways than one to skin an ISIS leader.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
22. Roast them alive along with pig guts;
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jun 2016

Baste them with oil, too, with their dicks in their mouths. Drowning is too kind.

Where are suicide bombers when you need them? Somebody to blow these demons back to Hell?

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
24. What can you do?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jun 2016

Broadly speaking, I think that any response that doesn't include massive Western military involvement will fail to stop them, and any response that does will inflict a hell of a lot of collateral damage. "Too much" is actually a lot less than "enough". I'm not sure what the lesser evil is, but I don't see any good options.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
92. There are no "good" options
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:21 PM
Jun 2016

Only ones less bad than others. I wouldn't want to be the one making these decisions right now.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
32. Absolutely sickening
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jun 2016

I had HOPED this was an example of the Daily Mail being unreliable, but it's being reported everywhere:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-burn-19-yazidi-women-to-death-in-mosul-for-refusing-to-have-sex-with-isis-militants-a7066956.html


These are just vicious gangsters who are using religion as an excuse - adultery is a sin in Islam after all. I don't believe in hell, but if I did, that's where they'd be going.

 

bdwker

(435 posts)
35. No shit.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:01 PM
Jun 2016

"These are just vicious gangsters who are using religion as an excuse "

Name a country where these "vicious gangsters" people DON'T commit these kind of atrocities.

Its endless.

EX500rider

(10,842 posts)
46. "Name a country where these "vicious gangsters" people DON'T commit these kind of atrocities."
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jun 2016

How about just about ALL countries?

Where exactly, let's say in Europe or N America have they recently burned 19 girls to death in iron cages after they refused to have sex?

 

bdwker

(435 posts)
63. Hmmmmm...
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:39 PM
Jun 2016

Try substituting another word for the euphemism "vicious gangster" and it will make a lot more sense.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
43. The Quran is clear that infidels who refuse to convert can be killed, hideously
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:24 PM
Jun 2016
God’s curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God’s own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God’s most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.” Quran 2:89


Variations on that theme are repeated many many times in the Quran.

These girls were presumably killed under that injunction (along with the fact they refused to be willing sex slaves - which Islam also allows slavery by the way).

These vicious gangsters have as much support as they do precisely because they are following Quranic law to the letter.



MH1

(17,600 posts)
76. Your excerpt does not confirm your subject line.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:00 AM
Jun 2016

As a comparison, similar words are in the Bible about sinners. BUT in the New Testament at least, it is made very clear that it is up to God to judge and punish. (Not that all his followers on earth actually remember those parts.)

The question is whether the Quran is clear that Muslims may carry out what they perceive to be Allah's judgment against the infidels; or is it left up to Allah to administer the punishment, as it is in Christianity.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
93. The question does seem to have an answer
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jun 2016

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. Al-Fitnah (disbelief or unrest) is worse than killing..."

Not sure what is confusing about that passage

 

Invincibility

(20 posts)
39. Disturbing and shocking
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:06 PM
Jun 2016

If you had no clue what ISIS was and heard of this story, you'd probably think they were some kind of Satanic cult or something. Truly a sick and twisted interpretation of Islam they're following. ISIS need to be utterly stomped into the ground for the good of the world and civilized society in general.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
40. Who the heck even thinks this way?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jun 2016

"Let's build iron cages and roast prisoners to death in them. In front of thousands of people." Not even Kim Jong Un is this bad, and it's not for lack of trying.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
45. I just can't believe the lack of humanity.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:27 PM
Jun 2016

It almost makes me insane. I cannot understand such hateful, cruel actions. I really can't.

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
59. They aren't the first to come up with the idea
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jun 2016

of killing people by burning them alive. It's not like it's never been done before.

Those poor women.

tblue37

(65,340 posts)
71. Probably they have tied their own sexual response to torture, so they get off on
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 04:13 AM
Jun 2016

committing such atrocities.

Besides, their atrocities serve to terrorize the people they conquer and oppress, and also to make those who might otherwise resist or fight so terrified of falling into their hands that they drop their weapons and run away, even if they outnumber the monsters. They know that if they are captured alive, they won't just be killed, but instead subjected to such extraordinary suffering that they are too afraid to risk it.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
108. Bukhari (11:626)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jun 2016
The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses."


Thankfully most Muslims reject such violence, but unfortunately there are lots of calls for it in the Quran and various hadiths.
 

bdwker

(435 posts)
41. Everyone is correctly outraged. So now what ?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:16 PM
Jun 2016

Its not their first atrocity.

IT WONT BE THEIR LAST.

So what do you want to do except be outraged?

A Stern Word ?
Continue drones ?
Send US Troops ?
Nuke em ?
Hope that other countries in ME will do it ? (Don't hold your breath)
Ask EU to get involved ?
Ask Israel to do it?

Not so easy.

 

Invincibility

(20 posts)
44. Ideally
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:24 PM
Jun 2016

The sane and sensible Muslims would get tired of this crap and turn on the radicals within their faith. Islam needs to cleanse itself of these nutjobs from within.

 

bdwker

(435 posts)
48. I think we both know thats NOT going to happen.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jun 2016

And the atrocities will go on and on.

Thaaaaank you for responding.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
51. Its a civil war within Islam. We'll never be able to solve it with outside intervention
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jun 2016

Muslims must figure this out themselves.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
49. ISIS wants to be wiped out to the very last man, is all I can come up with.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jun 2016

Cooking women in iron cages, because they would not become sex slaves has to be one of the worst things I've ever read. I hope ISIS is eradicated.

Dorian Gray

(13,493 posts)
56. Those poor girls
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:55 PM
Jun 2016

They stood their ground and suffered immensely for it. I can't imagine the pain and suffering.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
62. Round the perpetrators up, put them in a cage
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jun 2016

and napalm their ass. They are truly sick fuckers that deserve to die a painful and horrible death.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
79. What should happen is that those in their region who share that faith should deal with them.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:09 AM
Jun 2016

But of course the powerful, stinking rich Gulf States are too busy executing gay people and apostates themselves to be able to oppose ISIS. Too much on their plate, between shopping for new jets and sports cars and lopping the heads of LGBT they are just too busy to make justice for other Muslims.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
67. I'd be all for allowing Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, etc. carte blanche
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:51 PM
Jun 2016

in a situation like this. Id tell them to go test out your latest and greatest in this new "lab" we call ISIS held territory. Imagine sending 10,000 drones...so many that it blocks out the sun to wipe these scumbags out. If that doesn't work, we just have to acknowledge that some cancers need to be treated with radiation, and ISIS is one of them.

There is a time for diplomacy, and then there is a time for drones. When you start roasting young girls in cages, it's time to send in our RC dogs of war.

 

Invincibility

(20 posts)
89. Agree
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 11:45 AM
Jun 2016

It's like these people think they're Genghis Khan and the mongols or something. Riding into towns, raping, pillaging and burning people alive in cages to set an example of what happens to opposition.

harrose

(380 posts)
111. Thanks Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Trump, etc...
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jun 2016

... more blood that you are responsible for with your horrible Rethug policies. You should all be tried, convicted, sentenced and executed for your war crimes.

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