Folks I think we are at the precipice of a Democratic Landslide

[jimlup]

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The likes of which we have not seen in our lifetime.

Trump is a deeply flawed candidate. We may carry Texas, Georgia and some other unexpecteds. We also will make great gains in congress, not quite bringing back the Senate but putting it up for grabs next time.

As we heal the primary wounds over the next several weeks, I would recommend keeping these goals in mind!

[tonyt53]

1. I doubt TX, but GA is certainly in play. The Senate will go Dem, with gains in the House.

We won't get the House back until 2022, after the 2020 census.

[Dawgs]

24. Not a chance in Georgia.

I live here and Hillary will lose by 10 points to Trump.

[NoMoreRepugs]

69. election is 5 months away Dawgs....

I don't think anyone can predict the number of idiotic things T-Rump will say and do between now and then...

[AtheistCrusader]

83. Likely true, but a long way to go.

Hell, Hillary might eat his lunch in a debate.

'We are juggling priceless eggs in variable gravity.'

[IronLionZion]

86. That's the spirit!

Dems will win when enough voters are encouraged to show up to the polls, not when they feel discouraged like their vote doesn't matter. Votes matter.

[fasttense]

96. Not a chance Hillary will win in TN

I've met Bernie supporters here, but if you mention Hillary they all claim thet are voting for Trump. And get real red in the face.

The funny thing is that most of those same people voted for Hillary in the primary in the 2008 presidential race. She must have done something to turn them off.

[MisterFred]

153. Same here in UT.

Trump was more or less hated by all but one Republican I know here. Now that Clinton's the Dem nominee, it doesn't matter. They're all voting Trump. As for the Dems... record turn out meant an 80-20 Sanders landslide. I wouldn't be surprised if more Democrats voted in the primary than will vote in the general.

I hope I'm wrong, but seriously, the party was talking about gains in the state house & senate if Trump's the nominee. I don't see it with Clinton on the ticket. She solves R get-out-the-vote problems like magic. Which, honestly I don't understand. I don't like Clinton - but they LOATHE her. I don't understand it - but it's the way things are.

[reflection]

166. I agree, I live in TN also.

But Hillary is going to destroy Trump. Of that I have no doubt whatsoever. This will be another sacrificial lamb cycle for the Rs.

(disclaimer: I was for Bernie)

[BooScout]

103. Georgia is in play....

The minority population in Georgia has increased considerably in the last decade with Hispanics and African Americans making up most of the increase in Georgia's population growth. Georgia went blue for Bill Clinton and it came close with Obama despite him not investing much in turning it blue.

If the Democrats commit the resources and cash to turn it blue, it can be done. If the turnout is high.....particularly among Blacks and Hispanics then it could go blue. I think 2016 will be the highest turnout in history for Hispanics who will be voting against Trump. Hillary has the potential to increase the numbers of Black votes if she campaigns heavily in Georgia.

[lancer78]

136. Obama lost Georgia

by only 8 points. Georgia is predicted to be a majority-minority state in 8 years.

[Dawgs]

142. He lost by 8 and many said that Georgia was in play.

She will lose by at least 10.

[craigmatic]

206. It'll be within 5 points.

[Dawgs]

210. No it won't. nt

[Botany]

64. TX could very well be in play

Trump is weak w/both women and hispanics and TX has both by the truck load.

[Dustlawyer]

70. Yes, but many of the Hispanics are not registered. The DNC has done nothing to help Texas turn Blue

If they would fund some voter registration drives it would be different. When Howard Dean had his 50 state strategy we made some big strides, but that was quickly abandoned. If Texas was blue the Republicans could never gain the White House again. As it is the only campaign commercials Texans ever see are Teapublicans trying to out do each other on who can be the most heartless bastard running.

[mountain grammy]

163. Republican control of the House and Senate

and state legislatures, is the ultimate failure of the DNC. I've never been more disgusted with that organization in my 47 years as a registered Democrat.

[erronis]

185. MG - you nailed it. The DNC is no longer interested in us - just them. EOM

[Nitram]

218. We're going to take them both back.

[KCDem]

198. as a 14-year Texan,

I'm disgusted with the fact that the DNC has done nothing to help us. Not once. Or, if they have, it's completely unnoticeable. Texas could turn blue. Or at least purple. But we need a little help/visits/etc.

[Dustlawyer]

200. +1!!! Ripe for the picking!

[Sunlei]

128. Cruz took Texas and Utah. He may be back soon.

[NewJeffCT]

162. A recent poll had Trump up 39-37 over Clinton in Texas

that's a pretty damn small margin. If she picks Castro as VP, does that put TX in play?

[Stevepol]

182. I think that GA is no longer in play

as long as the voting machines count the votes. Roy Barnes lost to Sonny Perdue in 2002 and Max Cleland' lost in the same election cycle to another Repub because of the Diebold machines that counted the whole vote in total secrecy. The whole election took place only in cyberspace. Barnes had an 11-point lead in the pre-election polls right before the election and Cleland had a substantial lead as well. Both lost.

That to my mind was the beginning of the reign of the false results in elections all over the country that came courtesy of the voting machines. I believe Cleland now believes it was the machines by the way. Of course there's no way anybody can know one way or the other because those machines in that election were COMPLETELY UNVERIFIABLE. There was no way to have a meaningful audit or recount. For the most part that is still true throughout the country.

[CottonBear]

223. Democratic GA SoS, Cathy Cox, brought in Diebold

for the 2002 post-911 GA "selection".

She later ran, as a Democrat, for Governor and, of course, she lost to the GOP

It was all GOP in GA after that.

I am still incredible angry about that 2002 election. Saxby Chambliss should burn in hell for what he did to Max Cleland during the campaign. (Chambliss compared Cleland to Osama Bin Laden & Saddam Hussein in a TV ad.)

Between Diebold, gerrymandering & voter ID laws, GA Democrats find it mostly impossible to be elected and in many cases impossible to cast a vote.

[Bigmack]

2. From your keyboard to god's ears..... nt

[Stuart G]

3. I sure hope you are correct...nt

[Trust Buster]

4. Hillary represents the future of women's rights. Trump supports the customary role of women.

The culturally imposed economic reliance on men. Trump represents the past subjugation of women. This is a stark and unavoidable difference IMO.

[EdwardBernays]

61. Lol

The future of women's rights? She called selling weapons to one of the most repressive nations on the earth a "top priority". She also is the most distrusted and disliked Democratic candidate of all time.

Big leap forward for women. Lol.

[SunSeeker]

74. She is the most admired woman in the world.

Madam President. Get used to it.

[AtheistCrusader]

84. 20x times.

I didn't know that. If I had to guess for this year, I would have guessed Michelle Obama.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/187922/clinton-admired-woman-record-20th-time.aspx

[LiberalAndProud]

145. I don't even know what to think about that poll.

Politico took pains to point out that Trump and the Pope tied for second place in that same poll. It says ... something ... about the opinions of the American people. I just can't decipher exactly what it tells about us.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/gallup-most-admired-poll-2015-217152

[Ford_Prefect]

196. Both polls depend far more on name recognition than anything else.

[KCDem]

199. 100%

Very few people really admire Hillary. But they recognize her name. Shit, I've voted for her in these sorts of polls, before I educated myself.

[EdwardBernays]

88. lol

no she's not... She's not even the most admired women in the Democratic Party.... she's one of the most hated modern politicans and someone even the State Department called a serial liar.

And because she's such an awful candidate you've just handed over America to Donald Trump. Good job.

[SunSeeker]

95. I'm sure Trump appreciates your vote of confidence.

[EdwardBernays]

97. He doesn't need it

The DNC just selected the worst candidate in their history.

[SunSeeker]

98. No, Dem voters, by over a 3M-vote margin, just nominated the most qualified candidate in history.

[Duval]

124. And they will pay a price for it.

[beastie boy]

101. ...And facts be damned! It's as if you didn't even click on the link

so graciously provided by the poster you are replying to.

[EdwardBernays]

104. There's no link?

Not sure what you're on about.

[beastie boy]

108. Sorry, the link is in Post #84

http://www.gallup.com/poll/187922/clinton-admired-woman-record-20th-time.aspx

My bad.

[EdwardBernays]

112. ah

you should look at those result a bit more carefully and decide if they have any meaning, considering that Donald Trump is more respected than: Elizabeth Warren, Bill Gates, The Dali Lama... and these aren't results FROM The world, but from Americans talking about people AROUND the world... and Americans are pretty clueless when it comes to what's going on around the world.

this poll from 2016 had different results:



And if that doesn't convince you that these polls are a joke, then come visit me in Ireland and see how many non-Americans think Hillary is the most admirable person in the world. Lol.

[beastie boy]

118. She is #1 on Gallup's list and #3 on YouGov's list.

So wher does this fit into your narrative?

no she's not... She's not even the most admired women in the Democratic Party.... she's one of the most hated modern politicans and someone even the State Department called a serial liar.

"No she is not" what?

The poster you are replying to said she is the most admired in the world. And the Gallup poll sho0ws she is. Among Americans. For the 20th time.

You have data showing how she ranks among world population? Or in the Democratic party? Or perhaps that mysterious someone in the State Dept called her a serial liar as a term of admiration...

You are trying to fight data with no data. You will lose.

[Ineeda]

107. So Gallup is biased?

See post 84 above. 20 times she's been chosen as most admired woman. What about this FACT are you unable to accept? Just a teensy, widdle Hillary Derangement Syndrome at play here?

[EdwardBernays]

137. you've missed the point, unsurprisingly

- the original claim was that she's the most admired person in the world... she's not... that poll only polled Americans
- in addition to that, the poll is more about name recognition than actual admiration... look at how it was taken... they just asked people to name people, that's almost the definition of a popularity contest, which isn't the same thing as some sort of deep seated admiration
- she got 13%, about 1/10 - is that REALLY the sort of amazing result you'd like to brag about

Other polls using the same methodology have vastly different results, because asking people to think of someone off the top of their heads doesn't produce results that are worth a damn.

And it also doesn't jib with the fact that poll after poll for MONTHS AND MONTHS has shown her to be the least popular and least trusted Democratic candidate of ALL TIME. Try and wedge those ideas in your head and see what you come up with.

[Sunlei]

132. There's still a chance Mrs. Clinton will pick Senator Sanders as VP. If you're really for Sanders,

you should back away from Clinton bashing using RW lines.

[EdwardBernays]

139. BS

unlike Clintonites, Sanders supporters aren't zombie followers that agree with anything he says, even contradictory crap. I don't agree with everything he says and if he's on the ticket I STILL wouldn't vote for her, nor would most Sanders supporters, because she'd simply shut him out... She hired the owner of one of DC's biggest lobbying firms as her campaign chairman; his firm represents people that donated millions to her "Foundation" and who she signed off on billions in weapons deals for... and Saudi Arabia. You think she's gonna close shop because Sanders is her VP?

Because Sanders' supporters don't.

And these AREN'T RW lines... lol. The closest thing to the right-wing in the DNC is Clinton and her supporters... like the USA Today said recently: "Hillary Clinton is the most Nixonian figure in the post-Watergate period."

And that's who you're trying to get elected.

[Sunlei]

144. actually I only donated to Sanders but I wouldn't mind either of them as President.

He needed the money to campaign & spread the word, gather new voters. You should listen to him or should have.

[EdwardBernays]

146. Like I said

I don't blindly agree with everything he says.

And I won't vote for someone I dislike, think is dishonest and corrupt, and who isn't a progressive, because he or anyone else tells me to.

[Sunlei]

155. neither do I, you should have seen some of the messages I sent to Obama & couple of my notes,

came true.

[quakerboy]

192. Well that would be a disaster

All the PR of running a socialist without any of the benefits of running a democratic socialist. Short term losing proposition with the added benefit of long term tactical disaster, another running mate without realistic likelihood to step up and take the white house in future elections.

[ancianita]

165. Right after Angelina Jolie and Queen Elizabeth. No quibbling.

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/these-are-the-most-admired-people-in-the-world--xJ9bGsWhje

[Darb]

211. You can stow that

shit right back up your bum.

We see you, and it ain't a pretty picture. Quit your whining.

[EdwardBernays]

219. It's not whining

Though you'll whining when you realise how badly you've fucked America.

[Darb]

221. If you say so.

All my experience tells me differently, but I guess you are right. We must be fucked.

[avaistheone1]

167. Must have been a narrow pool of candidates

or they were not well researched.

[SunSeeker]

169. Nope. The "pool" was all women in the world.

See post 84.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7887931

[Spider Jerusalem]

168. More like "woman in the world most admired by Americans", which isn't the same thing

(that AP poll for "most admired blah blah" only polls Americans)

[AntiBank]

193. " She is the most admired woman in the world." <<< only Americans voted in that poll

If the globe voted, NOT A CHANCE

[greiner3]

197. Wtf

[notadmblnd]

133. Her supporters are in for a big suprise if she wins the White House.

[PaulaFarrell]

175. "Culturally imposed economic reliance on men"?

That's news to me. I've never relied on a man economically, bar a couple of years when my kids were very small. But that was my choice to do that - in fact I was the higher earner prior to and after that. I can't think you really know many modern women, because that horse left the stable a long time ago. I would say the future of women's rights in the US is far more subtle than that.

[yourpaljoey]

5. I predict you are as wrong as wrong can be. Time will tell.

[Hortensis]

20. “There’ll come a time when the love of country

will trump hatred of Hillary.” Republican Senator Lindsey Graham yesterday, urging his colleagues to bail on Trump.

[66 dmhlt]

77. First I heard that one - thanks!

Hard trying to keep track of all the rats abandoning the sinking SS Trump.
(Think Don the Con's racist comments WRT the judge is the iceberg)

[smirkymonkey]

183. Wow! I'm gobsmacked!

[Hortensis]

187. Yes, first time I've heard THAT from a pub leader.

[ileus]

6. 48 state win, then we'll crush their resistance

once and for all when we control both houses in two years...


There's nothing they can do about it.....their America is dead, we have the votes to get whatever we want.

[libtodeath]

18. There was no possible way raygun could win either

Or the repukes could ever regain congress after 2006 and 2008.

[SunSeeker]

100. Raygun was a 2 - term CA governor.

Trump has never won elected office.

[Hortensis]

22. Who are the "they" you're talking about, tho, Ileus?

The current GOP DC establishment we hope, but

Conservatives are half our citizenry and they're going nowhere. Ever. Period.

The megamillionaire and billionaire class is going nowhere until WE defeat them separately--step by step until we get enough power to do it right. Maybe the ignorant wingnuts they bought House seats for will join us eventually.

A majority of state legislatures are controlled by conservatives. They may be battered but are also mostly going nowhere this time around, although we might gain a few governorships.

This is a long-term battle that will never be completely won, just the same field gained and lost to various degrees over the centuries. Obama didn't not fix it all and hand us a shiny refurbished nation because he didn't want to. On the plus side, over the long haul the 10 steps gained for every 9 steps lost have been consistently to the left.

[ileus]

63. We will out populate them right where they live.

The they is Red State repukes, remember they're dying off at a rapid pace. Their time has passed...


the "megamillionaire" and billionaire class is what 20,000 people at best? Or as we like to say 1%....we can crush them, but first we need to stop electing them.

[Hortensis]

75. Yes, the old-style conservatives are dying off.

And yes, we certainly can crush the 0.001% who own most of this country and control even more of its property, and I agree, we need to do so as soon as possible.

[jmowreader]

156. I wouldn't count on more than 43

We definitely won't get Alaska, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Kansas or either of the Dakotas. The rest of the country is ours for the taking.

[djean111]

7. Just think! All the war and fracking and increased H-1B visas and cluster bombs and bloody

regime change and corporate "trade" agreements and no to single payer and yes to crushing college debt and Third Way slashing of Social Security and less regulation of Wall Street a person could ever wish for!

Money-greased skids for the Third Way and neocons!

No thanks.

[Doctor_J]

10. .

Utter disaster. The most right wing four years in my lifetime, which goes back to 1957. God help us.

[Democat]

43. What does this post mean?

Either Trump or a Democrat is going to win. Which side are you on?

[djean111]

53. I think the definition of "Democrat" has changed considerably.

The things I listed are things that no Democrat should favor.

[SammyWinstonJack]

224. No Democrat would....a DINO on the other hand....

[Alkene]

45. +1 n/t

[LibDemAlways]

65. The DNC is so incredibly short sighted and transparently corrupt.

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The R's will figure out a way to right their ship. Some sort of deal with Trump, who loves the word "deal," to step down in favor of someone more palatable to the establishment. I don't know how they'll do it, but they will. They're salivating over the prospect of taking down Hillary Clinton. Nothing will stand in their way.

Meantime, the Dems, in cahoots with the thoroughly corrupt media, managed to prematurely crown and further alienate half their party and a considerable number of Independent voters who favor Bernie. What they did to the voters in today's primary states is unconscienable. I am literally physically sick over it.

I could never support a party that so disrespects its members that they would out and out engage in vote suppression. Fuck that. Voting Bernie in California today and see no possible way toward "healing" after this stunt.

[afertal]

151. I agree that somehow Rs will create a Trump replacement plan...

...their 'system' is just as corrupt as the Ds. I heard on the news today that the Rs rules committee could declare that the first two ballots at the convention are 'advisory' and not binding.

Once again we are forced to choose between candidates chosen by two corrupt parties. It is amazing that anyone actually believes this is a democracy.

[LibDemAlways]

170. At my polling place in CA today I heard

two different Republicans ask for Democratic ballots. They explained to the worker that they could not in good conscience vote Trump and wanted to vote Bernie. The worker explained they had to vote R, and they both walked out in disgust without voting. I don't think they're alone.

[arely staircase]

123. So why are you going to support her then?

[randr]

8. With the Reps in free fall

It is the most opportune time for a third party run.

[0rganism]

106. for someone who pulls mainly from ex-Republicans, yes

looks like the Johnson-Weld Libertarian ticket is going to have an excellent year - might break 10% nationally.

[Wounded Bear]

9. I hope so...

I also hope that the Democratic Party has been directed back to the left, towards a more progressive agenda moving forward.

I will support the Dem candidate, and future liberal actions.

[Gene Debs]

29. Well, if it's Hillary Clinton, you can either support the Dem candidate, or you can

support liberal actions. You can't do both.

[Wounded Bear]

41. Your opinion is duly noted...

but I'm not in for that debate; especially not here.

[Democat]

46. I will support the Dem candidate, and future liberal actions.

That's a good plan.

Most on DU would like to see the Democratic Party move further to the left. Unfortunately, some say they prefer liberal policies and they also support President Trump over the Democratic candidate. They are not liberals, they are anarchists.

[jimlup]

12. But only because a large portion of the electorate

isn't paying attention yet.

Seriously, Trump is way out there. I trust the American people to recognize him for what he really is. A snake oil salesman.

[Scootaloo]

21. You really think so?

Most Americans are not hermits living as one with nature in the hills of Idaho. If there is someone who doesn't know Clinton after twenty-five years of having her face smushed into ours by the media, then they are either too young to walk, much less vote or they are a member of an uncontacted Amazonian tribe, and are therefor not permitted to vote in US elections. Similarly with the 24/7 coverage of Trump, it's impossible to believe that anyone is still in the "who?" phase of the race.

[joshcryer]

30. Most of Trump's coverage is on cable.

Whenever he makes the national news he is highly unpresidential. All people know about him is that he's a celebrity. They haven't actually sat down to listen to his views and when the American people do, they will be completely turned off.

I know that it's hard to believe, that the American people are smarter than that, but I believe it to be true.

[Scootaloo]

39. And this isn't 1980.

Cable television is widespread. What's reported on cable is reported on basic. Where there are gaps, there's the internet.

This is an era of immediate information, Joshcryer.

[joshcryer]

57. Cable news gets like 5 million viewers being GENEROUS.

People get their information elsewhere. The only reason they tuned into the debates was to watch the Trump reality show, and laugh about it, not take it seriously.

Most cable news viewers are talking head addicts, junkies, and others who actually care. Most people don't care, watch the national news (which I do daily and Trump barely makes a blurb because they have to fill in with so much stuff and we're so far out).

126 million voted in 2012. 5 million of them know about Trump and are set in their ways. A lot of them are bigots.

The talking heads do no represent political discourse in any way. Trump has played them repeatedly over the course of a year or more, and in many ways the talking heads are the ones who helped him win, along with his media.

Now, this is all silly, because like many of your cohorts, you think Trump will win and Clinton will lose. You are simply wrong. And I really don't feel a need to convince you.

Get out of the talking head bubble.

[Delver Rootnose]

33. Do you really believe that.....

...even the most politically inactive people I know have already made thier descision as to who they are voting for, if they vote at all. And from where I live, suburban Chicago, Hillary is in trouble. And frankly so are down ticket dems. The trump voters are energized to vote against Hillary and the democrats I know are tired and wore out and don't really give a shit even if they say they will hold thier nose and vote Clinton. There is just NO excitement for Hillary.

[Darb]

212. Pretty picture.

Hillary will roll T Rump like never before. The election ended last night. Now take that ridiculous bernies attitude and stow it. Maybe next time.

[Doctor_J]

13. I think you mean a Hillary landslide. And even that is in doubt

Coattails will be minimal, and of course democratic principles will take a beating regardless.

[hobbit709]

14. what are you smoking?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

15. The primary wounds run deep and are not likely to heal easily, if ever. Indeed, it may birth...

...a new party.

[Duval]

129. It may, indeed!

[leftofcool]

178. LMAO

[sarcasmo]

16. 53 % Hill, 37 % Bigot and 10% Johnson

[HooptieWagon]

72. Johnson won't get 10%, and Stein will get more votes than he.

[TheFarseer]

116. Yes on your first statement. No on the second one.

GOP will totally bail on Trump before this is done and many will vote Johnson. Stein will post good numbers for the Green party though. Besides, Libs got almost triple the votes of the greens in 2012.

[HooptieWagon]

126. Greens will get far more votes than in '12,...

I'm sure will even exceed the previous high of 2.5% in 2000. I'm thinking they'll get 5% or so. I think Libertarians get about 3%.

[Orrex]

147. Gary Johnson?

He might get 7% of the popular vote, if a ton of Republicans can't bring themselves to vote for Trump, but Johnson won't pull in even a single electoral vote.

[mcar]

17. I think so too

I'm hoping for a wave that gives us the House too!

[alarimer]

19. Your candidate is also deeply flawed

So, not so much a landslide as a squeak.

[Norman Conch Quest]

23. The Senate is Already Ours

And with Trump fiddling while Rove burns, I wouldn't rule out retaking the House as well.

[HooptieWagon]

73. Wow. Must be more of that Clinton Meth.

[Alex4Martinez]

149. !

Darned auto-correct!

[EV_Ares]

92. Not a very bright comment. How do you figure the senate is already ours?

[Norman Conch Quest]

109. It's spelled T-R-U-M-P

Even the Republicans admit they're gonna have a real bad Tuesday five months from now.

[EV_Ares]

114. Will be good if you are right but you have to look at Clinton's high negative #s as well & the fact

this is early June, the election is in November & what all can happen & change between now & then. You say "even the republicans admit they're gonna have a real bad Tuesday five months from now." That is not true. What would be true would be maybe some republicans saying that like Lindsey Graham. There are plenty of others who do not feel that way. Just like the many smart Dem leaders who are saying to others not to be over confident about this election because it is not over until the voting has stopped.

Your over-confidence is acknowledged but it is a little presumptuousness in my opinion. That is all I am saying.

[HooptieWagon]

130. They'll still turn out to vote down-ticket.

And as much as Rrpublicans dislike Trump, they absolutely hate Clinton. Her alone will be a big GOTV for the GOP, while being thoroughly uninspiring for Democrats. Hope you're not too disappointed at losing more seats, because that's what DWS is setting the party up for.

[dorkzilla]

25. Hillary's unfavorables are UP AGAIN

Her UNFAVORABLES are over 56%. Landslide? Think again.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

[Duval]

134. That is a real eye-opener.

I'm not surprised.

[Beakybird]

26. If Trump is the nominee ...

He's flaming out so quickly. Does anyone think there's a chance they will give the nomination to Cruz, Kasich, Ryan, Romney?

[jimlup]

204. yes..

They may still attempt to dump the Donald

[Gene Debs]

27. You say Trump will lose because he's a deeply flawed candidate. I can only assume you're predicting

that Bernie Sanders will be the Democratic nominee, because to imply that Hillary Clinton is not an equally deeply flawed candidate strains credibility so hard as to make anything else you might say impossible to take seriously.

[Marrah_G]

28. I think if Clinton is the nominee we are in for a loss

I hope to hell I am wrong.

[Marrah_G]

50. I would like to tell you what I think of you and your post

Instead I will just alert on it. You should be ashamed of yourself for making those accusations.

[Democat]

52. You are putting down Democrats in a thread about Democratic victory

Take your Democrat bashing to the Primaries forum or just leave DU before you get banned.

I support both Clinton and Sanders, unlike you.

[Marrah_G]

55. You should be ashamed of making these accusations

I bashed NO ONE. Don't you dare tell me that I do not belong on this site.

[AtheistCrusader]

80. Who's going to 'get banned' now?

Answer? YOUR POST LOL

[Omaha Steve]

54. Second DUer you have talked about banning in this thread

You have six hides. She has none. Maybe it is you that should be banned?

[Marrah_G]

56. Thank you Steve

I know I should have a thicker skin but Democat's accusations really hurt.

[PDittie]

62. 8 now, two in this thread

in the last few minutes.

[Marrah_G]

68. And yet no consequences. SMH

[dorkzilla]

93. He's been FFR'd

so his enthusiasm for banning imaginary trolls is going to be somewhat cooled. For now anyway.

[Darb]

213. Puuuulease.

Haters always think they are in the majority. Probably because they hang around with haters. It's gonna be a blowout.

[Act_of_Reparation]

31. That's very optimistic of you.

Anyone who lived through W. being elected not once, but twice, has no business being optimistic.

[Javaman]

37. +1 nt

[KamaAina]

158. Dumbya? Elected?

That's news to me.

[Act_of_Reparation]

160. It's OK. 2004 was a long time ago.

But who keeps track of that shit anyway?

[Wednesdays]

208. Okay, granted he wasn't elected

But he did make it close enough to steal.

The point is still valid: we have no reason to be overconfident this year.

[Democat]

35. Look at the pro-Trump trolls on this thread

Can someone ban anyone who is hoping for a Democratic loss.

Let them come back after the election if needed, but the last thing DU needs is a bunch of people hoping for a Trump victory in every thread.

The worst are the ones that post stuff like "I'm sure Trump is going to win, but I hope he doesn't". All that's needed is a comment about the "Democrat Party" and Vince Foster.

[Fuddnik]

148. Making a reasoned observation is not the same as hoping.

Maybe you should brush up on your comprehension skills?

[nxylas]

36. This assumes that the party establishment even wants such a result

I suspect that a Clinton administration with DWS still in her job would fight harder to stop FDR Democrats being elected than they ever would against Republicans.

[1StrongBlackMan]

38. Yep ...

We may carry Texas, Georgia and some other unexpecteds.

Just the other day, at a local Party event, I was hearing that Arizona is in play AND McCain is in trouble, thanks to Don D. Con.

GOTDemocraticV-2016

[lpbk2713]

40. The Congressional goppers probably think obstructionism has worked for them.

They will just continue in that role until the party dissolves, as it surely will. Even the MSM can't keep them propped up any more, "Republican" is getting to be a dirty word just like they wanted "Liberal" to be. And then then they will emerge from the ashes and try some new smoke and mirrors.

[SmittynMo]

42. I wish you were right

But I suspect the opposite. LOW voter turnout will hand the ticket to Trump. The MSM did no one a favor by calling this, a month too early. IDIOTS. I will never trust them again.

[NorthCarolina]

44. Both candidates are equally flawed. Clinton's only possible saving grace

is that Trump's favorability rating is a bit lower than her own...according to establishment media polls.

[Democat]

51. "Clinton's only possible saving grace"

If you think that's the only thing good about Clinton, what are you doing at a site for Democrats?

[mikehiggins]

66. Clinton is NOT the Democratic Party. She is the favored candidate of many but the idea that there is

nothing problematical about her as a candidate is stupid.

"Blind loyalty" is not a good stance to take in any election.

[Darb]

214. What are you smoking?

Stop, straight away. Stop.

[PDittie]

47. No, not carrying Texas

I worked for the last ten years on the ground -- in my precinct, in my senate district, and as coordinator fora statewide campaign -- and I can assure you with 100% certainty that Texas will be staying red for quite some time.

Now then...

Georgia is in play, due to the high number of Latinx voters and the strength of the libertarian, Gary Johnson:

Quinnipiac results (Georgia) have Clinton at 40%, Trump at 38%, Johnson at 5%, and Stein at 3%.

Public Policy Polling results (Georgia) have Trump at 45%, Clinton at 38%, Johnson at 6%, and Stein at 2%.

http://ballot-access.org/2016/06/01/major-polls-begin-including-johnson-and-stein/

Even Arizona might be flippable.

Clinton could lose New Mexico, a blue state, to Johnson (it's his home state). But the #NeverTrump effect plus the Libertarian strength flips a lot more states her way, like CO, NV, MI, PA. The WaPo's electoral scenario gives her NM and those four and that leaves her just 18 shy of the White House.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/23/the-fixs-first-2016-electoral-college-ratings-are-here/

Florida or Ohio alone then wins it for her. Even if she lost both, she could win WI, IA, and NH and be elected president.

I don't think it's Landslide Lyndon territory for the former Goldwater Girl, but it's not in doubt. Unless there's an indictment forthcoming, she's in like lead in Flint water.

[bigwillq]

48. I am not sold on a DEM landslide.

The map favors a Clinton victory over Trump, but I still feel lots of folks are going to be voting R. Seems like there is a lot of anti-DEM sentiment. Not sure if DEMS can make any huge gains in Congress.

[underpants]

49. Candidates don't matter - the math is overwhelmingly against them

Look at the last 2 races as a base - a Repub would have to sweep every swing state and reclaim old sure things like Virginia.

At 10pm election night add 78 to the Dem total (CA OR WA HI) and 3 to the Repubs. Those are locks and it accounts for almost 30% (28.8) of the needed 270.

[PDittie]

58. As for the Senate

Yes, it will flip Democratic in 2016 and flip back to the GOP in 2018 (Dems don't vote in midterms, doncha know).

All Democrats have to do to re-take the Senate is to win the three yellow toss-up states where they have a natural advantage, plus a couple of the current “lean Republican” states that have voted for Obama. And Democrats will need only one “lean R” state if the party wins the White House, guaranteeing that a Democratic vice president would break a 50-50 Senate tie.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/03/senate-elections-2016-115674

Like Obama in 2008, Clinton will have two years to muster all her political capital to get some things done. I suppose it makes sense that she's aiming low at this point.

[Robbins]

59. Clinton supporters are dreaming

with financial collopse in 2008 Obama didn't have victory you are claiming.

With gerrymandering the house is lost cause.if senate doesn't flip in 2016 it won't in 2018.clinton in white house will be disaster for dems in 2018.both missouri and west vriginia senate seats are likely to flip republican.

there is no healing the primary wounds.we bernie supporters know how the clintons,DNC,and democratic establishment think of us.
progressives and liberals aren't welcomed.soon it will be moving to right and forget about issues and policy just be about beating trump.

both partys are going to have candiates with high negatives.

Bill clinton,DWS,and David Brokc will all ensure many bernie supporters will never vote for her.

[EdwardBernays]

60. Lol

Pot meet kettle.

Hillary is the least trusted and least popular Democratic candidate of all time. Independents prefer her opponent and are the largest block of the electorate. Her own party is deeply divided with many Democratic voters thinking she's dishonest. Trump has been drawing record crowds around the country.

Hardly a landslide candidate.

[Ineeda]

122. Repeating the same meme doesn't make your POV more convincing. n/t

[James48]

67. I totally disagree.

I think the fact that Clinton is likely going to be our nominee means that it is going to be extremely difficult to get our voters to the polls, and, as a result, there is a serious likelyhood of republicans getting elected across the board.

[left-of-center2012]

71. Don't count your chickens before they hatch

There are a lot of stupid voters.

[LiberalLovinLug]

81. Exactly

[beachbum bob]

76. as long as trump remains...100% asssured

[NoMoreRepugs]

78. could someone with a better memory than me recall what the majority

of opinions and comments were here at DU about BHO's or HRC's chances vs McCain at this point in the election cycle?? Were they as dire as they are now from some of our fellow posters??

[Omaha Steve]

79. It ain't happening in NEBRASKA

We have two R Senators not up for re-election.

Two R Congressmen. The third is in Trouble and will go R in Nov.

Governor is a TP-R from a billionaire family.

OS

[marmar]

82. I think we're at the precipice of an apathy landslide..........

...... in this election between the two most disliked candidates ever.

[modestybl]

85. Except, if its Trump-HRC, the polls don't show it...

If Sanders-Trump, yes, much more likely to be the case.

But the Dem establishment prefers to champion the worst candidate for the nomination - just like they did with Kerry.

[pinboy3niner]

87. Trump is going down! Pork Chop knows where the bodies are buried...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018871104

[EV_Ares]

89. This is the beginning of June. Do you realize how much time there is between now & the election in

November? I think the goal is always to win by a landslide if you can, it certainly helps you talk about a mandate to govern. However, to even think we are going to win in a landslide is pretty crazy.

A lot of things can happen between now & the time we vote.

[SheenaR]

90. I think the biggest mistake would be to start to think like this

We need to be sure we hold on to our Dark Blue States.

Nobody wants to listen to me, but a state here like, whose own Democratic leadership has let them down is extremely Pro-Trump right now. It's actually mindblowing. And I have to imagine RI won't be the only one where it's close.

[rateyes]

91. You do realize that midterms usually go to the

party not controlling the executive branch. I think your prediction is a pipe dream.

[Gamecock Lefty]

94. Sadly, no more landslides . . .

A landslide would be great but I believe the days of landslides are over. The country is fairly evenly divided and just look at all those state houses of government controlled by Republicans.

And listen to what Paul Ryan said about Trump’s remarks being racist yet he’s still supporting him? Same with Chris Christie (imagine that – one bully to another). I get they don’t like Hillary and could never publically say they would vote for her, but they could sit home which they won’t. Republicans will put party above country each and every time!

And you just watch. Lindsey Graham will fall in line before it’s over with!

[eissa]

99. If we turn out, there's no reason it shouldn't be

Trump is by far THE worst political candidate in my lifetime (and I'm in my 40s.) On every level -- experience, temperament, knowledge, and character -- he is unfit for political office. There is no reason why this election should even be close.

[MisterFred]

150. Eh.

The ways in which he is unfit that you cite make for a horrible statesman - not a horrible candidate.

[shanti]

186. IF he won

i believe he would be just like raygun, a puppet. no way would he be making any decisions. they would simply not allow it. they all do as they're told.

[Fast Walker 52]

102. yes yes yes!!!! take the senate and house!

[RoccoR5955]

105. I don't think so.

You forget that more than 40% of the electorate are independents, many of whom severely dislike Hilliary.

With all of the shenanigans that have gone on in this primary, I do not see any healing any time soon either.

However, go on, and live in your dreamland. I wish you unicorns and rainbows.

[Oneironaut]

110. I don't think so. Hillary is deeply flawed as well.

There is also a lot of misogyny in this country. I believe this election will be very close.

[Arazi]

111. Get out of the Hillary camp bubble.

Have you spoken to any Trump supporters?

I have. This isn't going to be a landslide

[Fly by night]

113. More like a cave-in.

Our presumptuous nominee is the most disliked Democrat we could have chosen.

With her, we lose many Democrats (me included) and most independents.

Instead of helping down ticket races, she hobbles them.

And in November, she will prove to be the only person who could lose to an orange fungus with a bad combover.

[L. Coyote]

115. The Sewnate will turn blue this time, no doubt about it. House not so certain, but can happen.

If we can get out the votes, we win it all.

[TheFarseer]

117. We will not elect a guy running a fake university

I don't see any way Trump can win. I was slightly intrigued by Trump at one time because of his statements on trade agreements, but he's just such a disaster. He offends everyone constantly. He makes conflicting statements in the same speech and its because he hadn't really thought through any position. He could change his mind on anything at any time. He says he was opposed to Iraq but he considers John Bolton a top foreign policy guy. It's all just nonsense. If you're a Republican, can you even trust that he wants to control illegal immigration?

[Gene Debs]

177. All those things you cite would be an issue with anybody else. Have you noticed that

none of those things matter to Trump's supporters? Every time he says something horrifying, they love him more. Whenever he does something stupid, his numbers go up. You're applying rationales to this that don't apply here.

Remember eight months ago, when Trump's candidacy was considered a joke by the Republican establishment? I do.

[TheFarseer]

194. I see your point but

We're talking about GOP primary voters that went for him. Thank God those maniacks are not enough to elect a president. If you win those voters and scare the hell out of everyone else, your going to win a handful of states and be in double digits for electoral votes. I thought like you only a couple weeks ago but the more you look at Trump, the more you don't like what you see. Of course if someone gets indicted..................

[Gene Debs]

205. But consider this: a large swath of Democratic voters are not feeling motivated to vote

for Hillary Clinton—I know I won't—but Republicans will crawl ten miles over broken glass to vote against her.

[struggle4progress]

119. I never predict the outcome until the day after the election

[Rex]

140. I see what you did there.

[herding cats]

120. I think we're on the precipice of one of the ugliest presidential races in US history.

If not the ugliest.

We'd better all fasten our seat-belts, because this is going to be a very bumpy ride.

I also think we have a very good chance of winning the presidency, but it won't be a neat and pretty journey getting from here to there.

[Martin Eden]

222. I concur

Two deeply flawed candidates with very high negatives.

But there's never been (at least during my lifetime of 58+ years) a candidate as ugly and as unfit for the office as Donald Trump.
He will make this campaign the ugliest, because that's who/what he is.

[Maru Kitteh]

121. I share your optimism. Maybe NOW Ted Nuggets will finally LEAVE THE COUNTRY

And take all his angry knuckle-dragging, racist, violent gun-humpers with him.

[Fumesucker]

125. Relax, Hillary's got this, nothing to worry about

Go shopping, that will help the economy and it will make you feel better.

The Armani jacket at only $12,499 is quite a steal. Meticulous bespoke workmanship and classic design.

[MisterFred]

152. You have been awarded 100 internet points for correctly mocking the use of "bespoke." NT

[Sunlei]

127. The quiet Republicans will probably trot out, Cruz, Jeb! or Rubio from their convention 'process'

leadership republicans know trump is flawed.

[rock]

131. The signs are right

The Magic Eight Ball says, "Likely!" My wife is hoping for a clean sweep, but of course, she may just be talking about the carport.

[Rex]

141. Trump is imploding like the rich, super privileged, racist asshole that he is.

He was slightly more appealing then Ted Cruz...which is like comparing dog shit on the bottom of your shoe, to hot vomit on the bottom of your shoe.

[Downtown Hound]

143. My prediction: Hillary 53%, Trump 45%

The remaining 2% go to write ins and 3rd party candidates. Hillary will win every Obama 2012 state. She has a chance of picking up North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, and possibly Indiana, but I'm not holding my breath on any of those. Electorally that's a landslide. Popular vote count that's a good, solid, ass whooping.

Dems will retake the Senate. They will make gains in the house but not retake it. It will be a good night, but not perfect.

[reign88]

154. I think you may be right

This guy doesn't seem to be able to pull himself together at all. Like even a little. He's going to have a LOT of time to do damage to himself over the next few months, and I'm sure he'll take every opportunity to do so.

Honestly, no matter who the Dem nominee is, they should just adopt the strategy of disappearing for the next five months. Just go on vacation. Have some fun. No need to talk at all. Just relax and enjoy the ride. Maybe show up a couple of weeks before the elections just to remind people someone else is there so they know who to actually vote for.

[kaliamanita]

157. time for a Progressive Party!

Primary wounds will not heal for some of us, we've seen exactly what level of lying and cheating our party leaders will sink to, there is no unringing that bell. We can't go back knowing what we know now.


Hillary is a very weak candidate, lucky for her Donald is weaker. She was gifted this nomination via election rigging and outright cheating by the DNC, cheaters and liars rarely prosper long term. The cheat has split the party, this lifelong Democrat is leaving if she becomes the nominee. Why stay when the party leaders act just like Republican haters and are willing to give 1/2 the base The Finger?


I have to laugh when her low information supporters go on about how strong and empowered Hillary is,,,empowered women do not tolerate the very public repeated humiliation of a cheating lying husband over decades of time, they just don't. Hillary is the iconic representation of all that is wrong with American politics... the thought of her and super predator Bill back in the WH frankly sickens.


Since I live in a full on red state my blue general election vote never has rarely counted anyway, i'll vote Green or Independent this cycle if the cheat for Hillary prevails in landing her the nomination. Wouldn't vote for her before Bernie and sure as heck won't vote for her now.

[ellennelle]

159. speaking of deeply flawed candidates

i just cannot tell you how frightened i am that this country might pit 2 candidates with historically high unfavorables, both of them with legal nightmares hanging over their heads like ripe fruit, against each other in our GE.

those unfavorables show how much their supporters hate the other candidate, so the entire campaign is sure to be a flaming hate fest.

lovely. this is what the nation has come to.

there appears, from all the data out there - including those legal risks - there is only one candidate who would avoid all this, and be the most likely one to insure a landslide.

[NewJeffCT]

161. If you think it will be a landslide

then, the time is now to start working harder than ever to ensure it stays as a landslide - if you have an opponent that's down, down let them off the mat.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

164. Can't afford to be complacent. GotV for down-ticket Senate (SCOTUS), House, State reps, Govs, ... nt

[fbc]

171. I wish I had democrats to vote for in PA

But with Clinton and McGinty as the "democrats" on the ballot, I'm not seeing much reason to not just stay home.

[Califonz]

172. Scott Adams disagrees

Who am I to argue with the creator of Dilbert?

[Odin2005]

173. It's looking like even a fucking ham sandwhich could defeat Trump in a landslide.

Stick a fork in him, he's done!

[Cobalt Violet]

174. hate to break the bad new but there will be 4 parties running in the general.

It's not looking like a landslide or even a win when you figure those in. It's not Hillary vs Trump.

[leftofcool]

180. Stein and Johnson getting 1% each. Both epic losers

Yep, I'd say a Democratic landslide.

[tallahasseedem]

176. No time to be complacent...

GOTV!

If this indeed true, then we can celebrate AFTER the election. Until then, we run like we're 10 points behind!

[spud_demon]

179. Trump is flawed, but Republican voters even vote in mid-terms

I don't see such a rosy picture.

Assuming Hillary really does have the nomination locked up due to the Hillary Victory Fund:

* Die-hard Republicans will still vote R down-ticket.
* Disaffected/racist conservatives will vote for Trump and probably straight R all the way.
* Centrist independents will vote for Hillary, but not necessarily for down-ticket Dems.
* Die-hard Dems will vote straight D.
* Disaffected liberals (read: Bernie supporters) will split between capitulation and various forms of protest, including staying home, which deprives down-ticket Democrats of what were easy votes in 2004, 2008, and 2012.

[allan01]

181. i will support the nominee in the ge.

[smirkymonkey]

184. The problem is that we have an over-abundance of

deeply flawed voters in this country. I wish I could be as optimistic as you. I hope you are right!

[forest444]

188. Or we would have been if Bernie had been the nominee.

It's going to be close with Ms. Private Server. If she wins, it'll probably be thanks to a strong showing by Gary Johnson as much as anything else. I hope that'll be enough.

[Kingofalldems]

189. This thread is getting republicans very upset.

[elljay]

190. The money hasn't even started pouring in yet

Just wait until Adelson and the other oligarchs start pouring a few hundred million into the race. As Paul Ryan put it (I paraphrase) - the Republicans still have a better chance of getting their agenda approved with a Trump presidency than with a Clinton. They're going to go all in for him, regardless. As for Hillary, she has never in a campaign seen her favorability ratings rise. With her extremely low ratings even among Democrats, I shudder to see what happens when the real attacks start.

[MohRokTah]

191. You got your houses of Congress mixed up.

Winning back the Senate is almost a foregone conclusion as the Republicans are defending more than twice the seats the Dems are.

It's the House that has always been unlikely as a pickup for the Dems, though Trump could be changing tht and the Dems are scrambling for what could be a wave election year.

[LS_Editor]

195. This is definitely not the time for arrogance.

Not in this country.

[pipoman]

201. Bad karma abounds.....

[GulfCoast66]

203. I agree

I work with mainly republicans. I know one who how will admit they will vote for trump. She is actually excited about and when starts carrying on about him the others change the subject and act embarrassed. I am sure some of them will certainly vote for him, but if only 1 in 10 who voted for Romney bail it will be a landslide.

They are all white and are a smaller part of the population than in 12

[craigmatic]

207. Not with Hillary on the ticket. It'll be closer than Obama's 2. If I had o guess I'd say

the EV will fall between 273-300 but not more than that. We probably do take senate.

[RoccoR5955]

209. Somehow, I don't think so.

Too much gerrymandering for the Dems to take back the House, though Senate might be up for grabs.
And I do not think that this will be "the likes of which we have not seen in our lifetime," unless you are not old enough to have seen the devastating landslide Raygun had. Also, with the vast number of independents, I don't see it as being a landslide at all. These folks take up more than 40% of the electorate.

Dream on, I wish you unicorns and rainbows.

[Darb]

215. Agreed. It will be epic.

I can see there will be plenty of bernies (real ones and fake ones too) around until election day to whine, but won't make any difference. She will beat him like a rented mule.

[Helen Borg]

216. Do you realize the disturbing ambiguity of your title?

[Nitram]

217. I agree, but only if we get out the vote.

Complacency could prove deadly. Fortunately, we can count on Trump to continue with the the clueless demagoguery, and that will keep reminding Democrats of the dangers of not voting.

[bloom]

220. I hope so. I certainly wouldn't count on it.

It would be great if we started making gains at all levels.