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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:22 PM Jun 2016

Sounds like the FBI had him and let him go

After interviewing him twice. I'm sure he was truthful about his radical views. Not. How could they have him on a watch list but he was still able to purchase guns? The system has some serious holes in it.

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Sounds like the FBI had him and let him go (Original Post) redstateblues Jun 2016 OP
FBI failure. roamer65 Jun 2016 #1
Yep. redstateblues Jun 2016 #2
approx one percent of US population is muslim (3.3 million) Angel Martin Jun 2016 #6
LIKE TheDebbieDee Jun 2016 #12
potential terrorists that are licensed to conceal carry weapons redstateblues Jun 2016 #15
Due process Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #3
LIKE TheDebbieDee Jun 2016 #13
The FBI has probably had contact with most children of Muslim immigrants in the country Recursion Jun 2016 #4
No. Absolutely not. Particularly in nearby Dearborn... Barack_America Jun 2016 #5
You might be interested to learn about the FBI surveillance and informant network in Dearborn Recursion Jun 2016 #7
And? Your claim that most Dearborn kids have been interviewed by the FBI is still wrong. Barack_America Jun 2016 #10
I didn't say they'd been interviewed (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Jun 2016 #16
Maybe they can spare some FBI personal who are investigating email servers.... winstars Jun 2016 #8
NBC 840high Jun 2016 #9
Is there any way of preventing someone who has never been convicted of a crime Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #11
Assault weapons ban oberliner Jun 2016 #19
Well, we can't have it both ways.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #14
Wow, how many times has the CIA and FBI failed to capture someone that later Rex Jun 2016 #18
How does this relate catnhatnh Jun 2016 #20
He possessed a security clearance and was a guard for G4S (govt contractor) NightWatcher Jun 2016 #21
Unfortunately you can't punish people until they commit a crime. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #22

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
6. approx one percent of US population is muslim (3.3 million)
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jun 2016

lowest estimate of radicalized muslims in USA is one percent

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/terrorism-security/2015/0113/How-many-Muslim-extremists-are-there-Just-the-facts-please

if every muslim who has expressed radical views were under surveillance, every FBI employee (33K) would have his own radical to monitor 24 hours per day.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
15. potential terrorists that are licensed to conceal carry weapons
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jun 2016

Need to be surveiled. If they need to hire more agents so be it

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
3. Due process
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jun 2016

It sounds like you have this all figured out. Have you applied to be a consultant for the FBI yet?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. The FBI has probably had contact with most children of Muslim immigrants in the country
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jun 2016

at one point or another. That's part of the disturbingly wide net that we cast.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
5. No. Absolutely not. Particularly in nearby Dearborn...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:47 PM
Jun 2016

..where Muslims are fully integrated into the community and radicalism is rare.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. You might be interested to learn about the FBI surveillance and informant network in Dearborn
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/fbi-muslim-outreach-terrorism-213765

It's at least better than the clumsy sting stuff they were trying 10 years ago, I guess...

Response to Recursion (Reply #7)

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
9. NBC
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jun 2016

FBI first looked into Orlando gunman in 2013 because of statements about radical Islam
At least 50 people are dead and more than 50 others are wounded after a gunman opened fire at a gay nightclub in Orlando, early Sunday morning.
Read More
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
19. Assault weapons ban
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jun 2016

Could at least prevent someone from purchasing the kind of gun that made it so easy to kill so many people so quickly.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
14. Well, we can't have it both ways....
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jun 2016

Suspicion does not equal guilt. Unless you want to go all Trump and basically just assume all Muslim men are terrorists, we must respect due process.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
18. Wow, how many times has the CIA and FBI failed to capture someone that later
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:29 PM
Jun 2016

ends up killing people? They drop the ball way too much imo.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
20. How does this relate
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:02 PM
Jun 2016

to the FBI investigating Hillary Clinton??? If they don't arrest her do you want her to be allowed to run for President?

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
21. He possessed a security clearance and was a guard for G4S (govt contractor)
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jun 2016

I'm curious to see if his security clearance went through USIS, a former contractor who let slip a ton of people who should never gotten clearances. The #1 provider of background checks for security clearances has been found time and time again to have fallen down on the job.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
22. Unfortunately you can't punish people until they commit a crime.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:35 PM
Jun 2016

This guy's contacts with IS must have been discreet enough that the Feds couldn't nail him for anything.

I'd rather not go down the road of punishing "thoughtcrime".

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