In the USA, it is easier to purchase an AR-15 than it is to vote.

[L. Coyote]

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[MH1]

1. Funny how they're both Constitutional rights.

I guess some rights are more "right" than others.

[Quackers]

11. I'm sorry to say that the above info is incorrect.

Below is a link to current ID requirements to vote. 17 states have no ID requirements at all.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

[uponit7771]

20. OK, that doesn't make it any better... it should be as easy to vote as it is to get a gun

[Press Virginia]

2. Wrong. You need ID to LEGALLY buy a gun

As well as a background check if buying from a dealer.

State laws require private sellers to verify the buyers age, state residency and not knowingly sell to a prohibited buyer

[Hoyt]

8. If you buy from a dealer. But if you buy from the yahoo down the street or an occassional seller at

gun show, or out in parking lot -- don't need one, just a fistful of cash and fear or hatred to want a gun bad enough.

[beevul]

10. *Gasp* People are allowed to sell their private possessions.

As if its news.

[Hoyt]

12. We are talking gunz here, not a washer/dryer. You gunners are a callous bunch.

[uponit7771]

19. +1, and then use almost every logical fallacy than can think of

[SCantiGOP]

25. So is a nuclear warhead a "private" purchase

if I buy it from an individual?
The Ammosexuals can only use logic if it fits the narrative.

[uponit7771]

27. +1

[beevul]

40. Did someone say we weren't?

I didn't think so.

[CincyDem]

13. You mean allowed to sell their killing machines.

Good to see that you're out working the company line across all the pro-sanity threads today.

And of course I also see you're well practiced in the art of reframing the discussion from the logical to the inane. Nobody suggested that individuals not be allowed to sell their private possessions (until you brought it up).

But since you did...I can sell my car with no interference from the government...new title to the new owner and voila, it's a done deal.

See how easy that was.

Have a nice day.

[beevul]

41. "pro-sanity threads"

Is that what you call threads that blame pretty much everyone other than the shooter?


That's not what I'd call threads that do that, but each to their own I guess...

[uponit7771]

18. red herring

[hughee99]

3. Every state in the US requires ID to vote?

I thought it was only the republican states that were pushing for voter ID laws, which they've done to suppress the minority vote. I'm surprised to find that all states have not only suggested them, but implemented them as well.

[Calista241]

33. I think they're talking about proof of identification

in many places, you can show a bill with your address on it and be allowed to vote.

[Travis_0004]

4. Not true

Federal law states that yoi can not sell a gun unless you are both residents of the same state.

My state law says the same thing. It also states that the seller is required to verify their age, and that they are a resident of the same state. Im not sure how you could do that without checking an ID.

[uponit7771]

17. Is there a law on HOW to verify age and recidency via private purchase? tia

[Travis_0004]

24. Yes

No person shall:

When transferring any dangerous ordnance to another, negligently fail to require the transferee to exhibit such identification, license, or permit showing him to be authorized to acquire dangerous ordnance pursuant to section 2923.17 of the Revised Code

[uponit7771]

26. Is that for every state? looks like it just for Ohio... tia

[Travis_0004]

29. I didn't make the chart. Somebody who apparently did no research made the chart

But in every state you can not sell a gun to a resident of another state.

How the hell do you know what state they are from? You ask for an ID?

[uponit7771]

31. Yes, you can ask for ID but the ID doesn't have to be state issues according to the law...

... and ID can mean anything in this case.

I can say my name is Bill Dog and show an ID where I have my pic and Bill Dog on it...

Hmmm, yes I see the OP's' point ... too many loopholes for private sales...

Seems like gun registration would fix that, seeing I have to register my car

[Quackers]

5. I'm in Ohio and have always had to show ID for a gun purchase.

If it's at a store, then it was followed by a background check. If it was from an individual, they kept a copy of my license or copied down my license info. I haven't owned a gun in 6 years but I don't think that's changed. For the private sale, if the seller doesn't keep the new buyers info, they are stupid.

[uponit7771]

16. Does the private purchase REQUIRE a keeping of the records? tia

[Calista241]

35. The ATF requires dealers to keep paper records of all transactions for years.

all the regulations are a complete clusterfuck.

The ATF requires those records because the feds are legally prevented from retaining background check documents. So they just required dealers to keep their documents, and if a gun shows up in a crime, agents go to the gun dealer to find out who originally bought it.

If the gun has been resold, then the agents are SOL, but if it hasn't then they have their suspect.

[uponit7771]

36. ok, so the private records are just for dealers... so someone could sell a gun privately and

... then throw away any docs?

tia

[PoliticAverse]

6. That graphic is not correct. n/t

[ileus]

7. Unless I buy from a private party, I have to show ID.

[Hoyt]

9. That's why we need to get rid of private sales, as well as the "occasional seller" loophole at gun

shows.

[Indydem]

34. None of these mass shootings are "private sales!"

Every one I can recall (my memory is not perfect though) have purchased their guns, legally, with proper I'd and background checks, from a dealer.

Your action isn't going to save any lives; it's just a way for you to make yourself feel better.

It's also an infringement upon the liberties of others. You know, unless you are into that sort of thing.

[Hoyt]

38. Criminals purchase them that way. Fact is, most guns used to kill people

started out as so-called legal sale. It's time we bite the bullet like Australia in 1996 and tell gun fanciers to grow up or go pound sand.

[Indydem]

39. So restricting people's freedoms it is.

Gotcha.

"99% of you are law abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong. We will now proceed to trample on your rights for 'the greater good.'"

Yep. I know you.

[uponit7771]

15. +1, people can buy guns without ID but can't vote without ID

[uponit7771]

14. Amen and Amen!!!

[Warren DeMontague]

21. And we let violent criminals out of prison to make room for pot smokers.

[Cryptoad]

22. GOP~NRA Gun Policy

A Gun for every Idiot, an Idiot for every Gun!

[Leontius]

23. And cool aid is available in all 50 states.

Some people drink a lot.

[CountAllVotes]

28. Easier to buy a gun than ....

Get a prescription from a doctor filled.

Should they not DRUG TEST every single person out there that has one of these "weapons of mass destruction" known as a gun do they same? Piss and blood test the lot of these freaks that feel they need 'dem gunz! If they don't pass, no gun for you!

[Thinkingabout]

30. The same party which has claimed voter fraud and passed voter ID laws is the

Same party who does not think 80 people on average dying from gun violence and unable to see a problem and unable to pass bills concerning gun violence.

[Moostache]

32. The next time I hear concern over "voter fraud" I will remember this...

I'll also throw up in my mouth a little as I realize I live in an amoral, wealth and celebrity worshipping cesspool, content to chase things we don't need while claiming superiority we do not possess and destroying the planet that sustains us.

It really is time for evolution to show humanity the meaning of "exit, stage right".

[Waldorf]

37. The AR's that I have I had to show an ID, fill out a form and then pass a background check.

Voting was much easier. Just showed my ID.

[oberliner]

42. This graphic is a lie

There are 17 states were no ID is required to vote.