The AR-15, verses the Knife debate.

[trumad]

I'll tell you what--- you bring your knife and I'll bring an AR-15 and we'll see who walks out.

Better yet, bring several with knives against the Ar-15 and let's see how many of you leave standing up.

I just want to reach my hands through the intertubes and smack Morans who say a knife attack is just as bad.

Gun Humpers ---ugg!

[CincyDem]

1. Agree. There's a reason we use the phrase...

..."he brought a knife to a gun fight" to describe stupidity.

Every time there is a disaster like this, we're always reminded of all the other things that kill people that aren't regulated.

Knives kill people - are you suggesting we outlaw knives.
Hammers kill people - are you suggesting we outlaw hammers.
Pushing people out a window kills people - are you suggesting we ban windows that open.

It's all such diversionary bullchit.

What makes me so crazy about the gun arguments is the misdirection. All designed to ensure any form of gun regulations are the LAST step in addressing this epidemic of violence instead of the first. Before we touch gun control, by their logic, we need to fix immigration, eliminate mental health issues, wipe out drug usage, eliminate obesity and probably cure cancer.

When we ask "when will they get some common sense?"...it's not when guns become the leading cause of death in America, it's when guns become the ONLY cause of death.

[ileus]

2. No No...don't forget the 21ft rule....LOL

That's why it's important to practice your draw and first shot from the hip.

No if I've got my AR at the ready the knife guy could be toast, but then again with a 30 round pmag seated I can always back up some while continuing to fire.

[HughBeaumont]

3. The story from China they like to share . . .

. . . They seem to leave out the little detail that there were several attackers, which is about 2-3 kills per person. A knife can't kill 1-3 dozen people at a time, within seconds. One can run from a knife. One can survive a knife fight. I can't dodge bullets.

[disillusioned73]

4. Well..

You just need to practice

[ChickenGuru]

5. If you can dodge a wrench

you can dodgeball a bullet

[Blue_Adept]

27. You gotta be an Average Joe for that

[Zynx]

6. They ignore that you can kill someone with basically anything. Guns make it much much easier.

Why? Because guns were designed specifically to kill things very easily.

[AlbertCat]

22. to kill things very easily.

Yes... these people who committed these shootings were actually using the gun correctly. Their targets are the thing that's wrong. But the gun, being a weapon made for killing things, is serving that purpose. Gun lovers seem to forget that. It's like it's a kitchen gadget or something. That attitude is the problem.

[pintobean]

7. So, you would use an AR-15 to defend yourself.

I don't blame you. We shouldn't take that right away from you.

[angrychair]

23. ROFL

I think the "defend myself" argument is just as ludicrous.
I've lived in several states, couple of countries and lived in very poor and drug-infested neighborhoods.
Despite that, neither I nor billions of other human beings living their life right now, own a gun or want a gun.
Funny how billions of people manage to live without a gun but some here in the United States feel like they cannot walk outside their home without one.

So many are so sure but don't get the difference between a want and a need.

[Scruffy1]

30. You are safer without one.

The main defense is between your ears. When I was young I had a job which required carrying large amounts of cash. For a while i carried a gun. Walking across a park one day I was wondering what would happen if someone jumped out from behind of a tree with a gun. Pretty obvious the gun was useless holstered and I was only going to get shot if I pulled it out. Just avoid the tree would be better or check over the area by eyeball before going there. Be aware and fit into your surroundings. I remember one bar owner I knew who used to walk 2 blocks to the bank every Friday and get a large amount of cash for cashing payroll checks. He just put it in a grocery bag and looked like anyone else walking back with groceries. I think carrying a gun can make one over confidant, and many gun owners are really looking for a chance to use it. I have lived in some really rough neighborhoods and I have never seen or heard of any killing that could have been stopped by a carrying a gun. Not much use against drive by shootings, getting shot in the back or random shots killing children. We have had several children killed in our city by bullets that went through walls of buildings.

[Moostache]

8. The first time ONE person knifes 49 other people, point taken...until then?

Kindly stop humping your gun long enough to play in heavy rush hour traffic if you think that is legitimate thinking!

[davidthegnome]

9. But...

I saw a Chinese film last night where a dude kicked like a thousand other dude's butts and cut them into little pieces with only a sword! So, you know, there's that. Maybe we need to start worrying about swords, especially if they're of Chinese make because those guys know some wicked kung fu and swordshitsu (that's a word right?).

Seriously though... the argument over the knife as opposed to a gun... almost any gun, is frigging ridiculous. There's a reason we stopped using swords and bayonets - high powered fire arms are much more effective at slaughter. Much, much more effective.

[Major Nikon]

10. What about this?

[davidthegnome]

11. I'm going to have nightmares about that one...

The creepy look in his eyes and the almost smile while shaking his... whatever the heck that is. A sausage?

Thanks a lot, Major Nikon, like I didn't have enough to worry about already, what with all the Samurai and Dynasty Warriors running around with swords chopping people up... no, wait, that's a video game.

[Major Nikon]

12. You should see my posts on gardening

[davidthegnome]

16. Hmm. Better stay out of my mama's garden.

She'd really kick your Major ass if you shot her lilies.

[wryter2000]

19. Shooting the snails

Why didn't I think of that?

[awoke_in_2003]

34. What the hell??

What is that from?

[Major Nikon]

36. ...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120051/

[awoke_in_2003]

39. Thanks

I just picked up an Apple TV (3rd gen just to see if i like it) and am about to subscribe to Netflix and Hulu. I will check it out, I love PS

[awoke_in_2003]

35. I should know what that is from. nt,

[joshcryer]

13. I thought you were banned again.

Sorry I thought you were worse than guns or whatnot. Guess you took a break.

[trumad]

15. Can't be banned anymore

48 hour timeouts, yes. But not banned.

[IronLionZion]

14. One person with a hundred knives

can probably kill as many people as 100 bullets, right?

[wryter2000]

17. "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

True, but people with guns kill more people than people with knives, poison, bombs, and now even cars. We're not going to get rid of people. Get rid of the kinds of guns that kill people so damned efficiently.

And I don't care if you call it an assault weapon or a rutabaga. It's easy to make up a list of the guns used in Sandy Hook, Orlando, and other places and get rid of them.

[AlbertCat]

25. "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

[underpants]

33. Thanks

[Saviolo]

18. TYT has a final judgement that says just this:

John Iadarola says basically the same thing.

And I seem to be having an argument with a couple of people in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027916489#post5
About whether or not guns were originally designed as a method of killing people or not.

[Dem2]

26. Anybody who claims certain military style guns weren't designed as a method to kill humans

likely isn't a person any liberal should want to associate with.

I try to avoid interacting with sociopaths as much as possible.

[NoMoreRepugs]

20. I'd like to see the stats on premeditated knife deaths vs mass shootings...

a gun empowers an individual of any stature - not quite the same with a knife.

Again - are there stats of homicides where the perpetrator went out and bought a knife to do bodily harm to someone??

[SCVDem]

21. A knife is personal.

Beside the blood makes the grip slippery giving a chance to wrap a shirt around an arm and offering a chance to disarm the attacker.

No chance with a gun until reloading.

[Dem2]

24. It's one of a number of moronic comparisons. Now be quiet or I'll toss a swimming pool at you!!11!!

Gun fondlers are pathetic human beings.

[doc03]

28. Knives are actually regulated, no NRA lobby for knives. I have a CCW

permit in Ohio, I can carry my .40 Springfield XD with 17 rounds but I can't carry a switchblade knife with a 2" blade.

[Feeling the Bern]

29. My brother does that all the time. He also wants to "ban cars" because people use cars to kill.

And baseball bats too. Chain saws. . .spoons. Yes, my idiot younger brother wants to ban spoons.

[Bettie]

38. My idiot younger brother

wants to ban shoelaces and rope, because you can kill someone with that...and stuff animals and pillows because suffocation.

In addition to all those other things.

I think he's gone crazy from years driving a truck and listening to Limbaugh and his ilk.

[liberal N proud]

31. The knife claim is about as dumb as the more guns

The NRA has done a good job with their propaganda as so many believed it.

[DustyJoe]

32. knife vs gun

I'll tell you what--- you bring your knife and I'll bring an AR-15 and we'll see who walks out.

Then you would be following the advice of a great leader ....

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/

[Johonny]

37. When a an AR-15 shoots and kills someone it did its function as a tool

that's what it was designed to do. Most knives are not made as weapons. You can kill someone with a rolled up newspaper, but few people want to ban newspapers. Most people understand the difference between tools of war and tool of daily use.

Guns generally have but one purpose to kill something. When it kills something it did its job.

But nails guns...