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AND here is what a voter told the BBC: (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Jun 2016 OP
Watch out....you might get what you're after. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #1
Burning down the house gratuitous Jun 2016 #35
Yep malaise Jun 2016 #2
Hey.... Are_grits_groceries Jun 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #3
It's US. Are_grits_groceries Jun 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #14
Jeez, how many Trump voters will there be like that? tanyev Jun 2016 #6
about 20 million swhisper1 Jun 2016 #60
I can kinda sympathize... truebluegreen Jun 2016 #7
royal dumbass spanone Jun 2016 #8
What a moron Nonhlanhla Jun 2016 #9
I guess he wanted to "shake things up" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #32
Yeah, like the time I voted for Ross Poirot, lol Ligyron Jun 2016 #41
Or, my vote for Shirley Chisholm in 1972 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #43
And if today holds, we will all pay with cheaper pounds. HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #10
What a massive dumbfuck. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #11
Power to the People unless... orwell Jun 2016 #12
stay tuned, there will be quite a few small revolutions in europe swhisper1 Jun 2016 #15
And people are people. Igel Jun 2016 #23
funny, that is just how the US came to be swhisper1 Jun 2016 #28
bernie's not talking about the pain that would result treestar Jun 2016 #49
pain to vulture capitalists. A wise man does not invest in the stock market unless he can afford to swhisper1 Jun 2016 #51
In a real revolution there would be a lot of pain to the ordinary people treestar Jun 2016 #61
it has to start sometime, might as well be now swhisper1 Jun 2016 #62
What do you mean by "small revolutions"? 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #33
each country will have their own reasons to leave swhisper1 Jun 2016 #54
Oh. Okay. I don't consider that a revolution. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #66
then Brexit is not a revolution swhisper1 Jun 2016 #67
I agree. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #68
never mind, I got sideways, too many posts to reply to. Have a nice evening swhisper1 Jun 2016 #69
That was how a lot of protest voters felt this year Renew Deal Jun 2016 #13
Same with many Trump primary voters IronLionZion Jun 2016 #16
What a goddamn moron! MynameisBlarney Jun 2016 #17
This is why it will be so important for us to work on getting japple Jun 2016 #18
Reminds me of an old, old story... malthaussen Jun 2016 #19
I was discussing politics with one of my teacher friends a few years ago and she claimed she was world wide wally Jun 2016 #20
Betray your constituency, reap the whirlwind. The UK will be fine. closeupready Jun 2016 #21
No, there will be a truncated Britain consisting of England and Wales. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #36
Just like there will never be a Brexit? Predictions are like navels - closeupready Jun 2016 #38
Sinn Fein has today called for a referendum on Northern Ireland leaving the UK Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #40
yup, the dominos are falling swhisper1 Jun 2016 #55
No, there won't. NuclearDem Jun 2016 #46
No? closeupready Jun 2016 #47
Scotland is already planning for a second independence referendum. NuclearDem Jun 2016 #50
Watched BBC News coverage through the results call bigbrother05 Jun 2016 #22
There's another lesson or 50 in it, too. Igel Jun 2016 #24
sounds like they were already screwed swhisper1 Jun 2016 #30
This isn't about independence. yardwork Jun 2016 #45
bleh swhisper1 Jun 2016 #56
Well, this is what happens when you are short sighted and ignorant. When you believe the hype Laser102 Jun 2016 #25
"Stupid is as Stupid does." Forrest Gump Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #26
time for a second referendum. "No, we're serious time, vote like it'll mean it!" Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #27
Elections has consequences. Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #29
This is actually a good thing. Here's why I think so... FighttheFuture Jun 2016 #31
Interesting assessment Pluvious Jun 2016 #34
it has been happening for a few years now, it is finally at the rebellion stage swhisper1 Jun 2016 #63
I had a similar thought last night. joshcryer Jun 2016 #42
Let's hope so! A president Trump is not an impossibility.... FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #72
thank you for reasoned thought process, Future swhisper1 Jun 2016 #57
Thank you! FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #71
I heard that too mcar Jun 2016 #37
UK about to become Game of Thrones. JaneyVee Jun 2016 #39
FFS. yardwork Jun 2016 #44
Kinda like how I felt after voting for Nixon in 1972.... liberaltrucker Jun 2016 #48
People think 'protest vote' sounds cooler. Cold comfort to the reality voters. blm Jun 2016 #52
A lot of Trump "protest" voters will experience similar regrets if he wins. nt tblue37 Jun 2016 #53
they would regret daily swhisper1 Jun 2016 #58
Damn "protest votes" pandr32 Jun 2016 #59
Tomorrow, no one will remember what this voter said. Or care. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #64
The USA has poisoned foreign voters Takket Jun 2016 #65
"what is the EU"? Takket Jun 2016 #70

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
35. Burning down the house
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jun 2016

That will take care of the pest problem! (Note that I am not calling anyone a "pest"; merely characterizing the anti-immigrant sentiment that is supposed to be driving part of the "exit" vote.)

Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #5)

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
10. And if today holds, we will all pay with cheaper pounds.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:49 AM
Jun 2016

But, of course, cheaper pounds are just part of the over-reaction to change.

People don't really much like the uncertainty that comes with change. Uncertainty is a measure of their state of mind, not a measure of how broken the things of value and worth are.

What was broken is really the facility of status quo thinking.

orwell

(7,794 posts)
12. Power to the People unless...
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:00 AM
Jun 2016

...the people are rage filled morons?

"I'm shocked & worried. I voted Leave but didn't think my vote would count - I never thought it would actually happen."

And there you have it...

Welcome to "the Revolution."

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
15. stay tuned, there will be quite a few small revolutions in europe
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jun 2016

and there is one growing here too

Igel

(35,544 posts)
23. And people are people.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:16 AM
Jun 2016

A majority of voters are convinced they're the cat's meow, fully informed with all the facts and of sound mind and reason.

Most of the rest just act on emotion and at have the wisdom to admit what most of the majority is too self-absorbed to admit.

Just remember, most revolutions are emotionally satisfying and empowering when they happen, but suck for most of the people.

"I want change" can involve restructuring things in a stable way that's good, but even the American Revolution led to

--years of war
--years of depression
--a failed state and constitution
--a new state and constitution with a lot of instability
--a civil war, for some about slavery, for some about states' rights, but ultimately about the strength of the federal government

It was bloody and messy to achieve stability, and that's being upset again. But the French, 1848, Russian, Hitlerian, Maoist revolutions all ended badly and were mostly undone (or should be ... China is basically a fascist state but we're blinded by the label "communist" to notice). The Velvet Revolution might still go wrong, but arguably what's going on there isn't a result of that revolution at all. The Orange Revolution turned bitter, the White Revolution never got off the ground.

Most revolutions suck, but if we don't know history we still go dewy-eyed at the idea of empowerment and our upcoming revolutionary apotheosis. Most revolutionaries suffer Lucifer's fate for all the same reasons.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
28. funny, that is just how the US came to be
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jun 2016

Bernie has it right, a political revolution from the bottom up and to hell with corruption and runaway capitalism

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
51. pain to vulture capitalists. A wise man does not invest in the stock market unless he can afford to
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jun 2016

lose it all. It is gambling-and the 401K's are not always affected. Only if you sign on to high risk stocks will you be screwed, and that is the price of gambling, or wait 10 yrs for your 401K to recover. Dont blame england, blame the gamblers who are in it for a fast buck

treestar

(82,383 posts)
61. In a real revolution there would be a lot of pain to the ordinary people
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jun 2016

And the "vulture capitalists" would not take it lying down. If you want to get to that nirvana, you have to cross a lot of fire pits.

IronLionZion

(45,905 posts)
16. Same with many Trump primary voters
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:40 AM
Jun 2016

I'm sure they were doubtful he would win the nomination. We were always told that the system is rigged by the establishment and our votes don't matter.

Considering how close the Brexit vote was, maybe some discouraged people who didn't vote are probably wishing they had voted.

japple

(9,959 posts)
18. This is why it will be so important for us to work on getting
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jun 2016

out the vote for democratic candidates in November--no matter who you supported in the primaries.

malthaussen

(17,317 posts)
19. Reminds me of an old, old story...
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:51 AM
Jun 2016

... about a candidate's parents, who voted for his opponent because "they wanted to be nice." You guessed it, the candidate lost by one vote.

-- Mal

world wide wally

(21,762 posts)
20. I was discussing politics with one of my teacher friends a few years ago and she claimed she was
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:59 AM
Jun 2016

a Republican.
When I expressed shock at a teacher voting Republican, she responded by saying, "Don't worry. They never do what they say they will do"
How is that for stupid?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
21. Betray your constituency, reap the whirlwind. The UK will be fine.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:08 AM
Jun 2016

There was a UK before, there will be a UK after.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
36. No, there will be a truncated Britain consisting of England and Wales.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 04:24 PM
Jun 2016

The UK as you know it will cease to exist.

Scotland will soon opt to leave and join the EU as a sovereign nation, and Northern Ireland may well throw off British rule and join its island neighbor.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
40. Sinn Fein has today called for a referendum on Northern Ireland leaving the UK
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jun 2016

to join the Irish Republic. Sectarian violence will inevitably reappear if the Nationalist majority is denied their say.

Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP leader, has already announced plans for a second referendum on Scottish independence and EU membership as a sovereign nation. It will happen.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
50. Scotland is already planning for a second independence referendum.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 05:36 PM
Jun 2016

Northern Ireland is considering a referendum to reunite with the Ireland proper. Both those areas voted to remain with the EU; England and Wales voted leave.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
22. Watched BBC News coverage through the results call
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:14 AM
Jun 2016

Was struck how much the Remains sounded like Romney's GOP in 2012. Oozing confidence that they had it in the bag regardless of how the first returns looked. There is a lesson for us all, don't oversell and work like you're behind until the end.

Clearly that voter thought they could tweak the establishment without any consequences. The Leave supporters kept their eye on the ball, now the UK has to live with it.

Igel

(35,544 posts)
24. There's another lesson or 50 in it, too.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jun 2016

Passion is fine in bed, but in the ballot box perhaps not. In bed, the worst you get is a child, and STD, or a rape charge. In the ballot box, you're usually the person who's screwed for life.

Populism is great when you're in favor of what it wants. But populism is usually pandering to the masses and making them vote on wants that only you can provide. Populism leads to demagoguery, necessarily. You can't always have what you want. And not only do you "not always get what you want," in populist times you very seldom get what you want. You just get what you voted for, and that's a very different and very dangerous thing. It pisses people off, then they tune out or go even more extreme.

Democracy is the worst system ever devised except for all the others. It works fine on simple issues. But there's a reason we have representative democracies. In the Brexit election, people intended to vote for very specific outcomes that won't necessarily follow from what they actually voted for. "A vote for me is a vote for prosperity" isn't a vote for prosperity but a vote for a politician. A vote for exiting the EU isn't a vote for greater prosperity or cultural protection or to show how pissed off you are with the "elite,", it's a vote for leaving the EU.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
30. sounds like they were already screwed
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:42 AM
Jun 2016

I am amazed at how many "americans" here are so against a nation that wants independence. Isn't that why we came to this continent?

Laser102

(816 posts)
25. Well, this is what happens when you are short sighted and ignorant. When you believe the hype
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jun 2016

and follow the pack mentality instead of thinking that maybe it's too good to be true. Now these malcontents that led the "revolution" are back tracking on their promises. They have led their country into a burning building with no way out. We will see who this benefits the most. The balanced and measured candidate, or the insane and erratic.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
31. This is actually a good thing. Here's why I think so...
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jun 2016

Britain voting to leave.... While, in my gut, I leaned slightly for them to stay, I have no great opinion one way or the other. They were never fully integrated into the EU as the original founders (France, Germany, Italy, etc.) were. They were still partially separated so it is not as hard if they do leave. I leave it to them and it appears to be a wake-up call for their politicians on the level of discontent in their country with various programs such as Student costs rising and Austerity. Also, a lot of the young people thought they should stay. So, odds are they will get back into it within a generation, if the EU survives as it has many other issues besides Britain to worry about.

The good thing about this has to do with us, the U.S. This should be another wake-up call to Hillary and Democratic politicians to stay more toward the left, as she has moved with Bernie Sanders in the race. There is a real discontent on both sides in this country today which has allowed Bernie to rise and Trump to rise, albeit from opposite positions. With Bernie I had no fears about him being President. However, Trump, to me, is on par with the rise of the Nazi Party and Hitler in Germany in the 30's. Sure, it's not exactly the same, and I am not calling a huckster like Trump a Hitler, but the optics are way too close for comfort.

So, this should further emphasize the real voter discontent in this country and just how careful politicians should be in kowtowing to the the wealthy and corporations at the expense of the rest of the country. I hope Hillary and the Democrats understand this and keep on tacking leftward. The Republicans, including Trump, are already starting to take on some populist messages in an attempt to shield themselves and even steal steal these positions from the Democrats, the party that often does take on these positions and may actually do something about them. Ironic, and foreboding.

Pluvious

(4,426 posts)
34. Interesting assessment
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jun 2016

Thank you for sharing. This should be its own post !

I've always thought the biggest problem for the EU is the dissonance of trying to bind a multiplicity of political entities under a single monetary system. The results of this dysfunctional union are just now beginning to manifest...

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
63. it has been happening for a few years now, it is finally at the rebellion stage
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jun 2016

they were fleeced by banks and kum-by-ya lies. A few small reforms can put it right tho, with cool heads and regulations, an agreement can be reached

joshcryer

(62,297 posts)
42. I had a similar thought last night.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jun 2016

Though I dont think the Clinton campaign is underestimating the threat, this should strengthen their resolve.

Takket

(21,919 posts)
65. The USA has poisoned foreign voters
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jun 2016

They are so used to seeing us go out of our way to not count votes that they've forgotten their own countries actually do count them.

Takket

(21,919 posts)
70. "what is the EU"?
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jun 2016

ABC News said that was the #1 google search in the UK today. I'm seriously wondering if a lot of people voted for this believing this was about stopping Syrians from getting into the country and honestly have no idea that they just committed financial suicide for their entire country.

I wonder if any of you on DU could find any exit polling data. I'm wondering what leavers #1 reason for voting leave was. I can't find any.

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