Will the breakup of the EU lead to a breakup movement in the US.

[CK_John]

IMO, we are are moving into a regional structure anyway.

The 12 Federal Reserve Districts could serve as the outline. The reason is that the population growth has moved the accountability members being all in Wash DC while regional problems never get address.

Like fracking may be ok in OK but totally impractical in NYC.

Also climate change will impact regions differently, the major problem is how will regions learn to pay for them.

[Agnosticsherbet]

1. Short of a Constitutional Convention to dissolve the US, there is not Constitutional or Legal

method of breaking up the US.

Sadly, International Institutions are critical in addressing climate change. Breaking up into ever smaller nations and tribes just guarantees nothing will be done.

[The2ndWheel]

6. At the same time

The ever increasing scale of human ability, including international institutions, is in part helping to change the climate.

[Agnosticsherbet]

8. And they are the only chance we have to stop it.

It is a human problem for whole species. We need to act in concert solve the problem.

[CK_John]

60. Nobody works together, it's a line of sight thing.

[pnwmom]

59. All the more reason to stay united -- our only chance of acting together to fight it. n/t

[CK_John]

9. We don't have to dissolve the US just start grouping states into regions.

[Agnosticsherbet]

15. How do you get states over the sovereignty issues?

There is a powerful resistance to ceding power to a group, even for the greater good.

[scscholar]

27. This. People that try to leave will be bombed...

just like the Republicans did last time this came-up. 750,000 Americans died from the Republican's actions the last time this happened.

[Agnosticsherbet]

32. Are talking about the Civil War?

[scscholar]

33. Yes. The Republicans killed hundreds of thousands to prevent it...

from happening the last time this happened.

[LanternWaste]

34. More accurately, the South killed hundreds of thousands to attempt it.

More accurately, the South killed hundreds of thousands to attempt it (reaction vs. action-- much like throw vs catch, requires a catalyst prior to consequence).

[Agnosticsherbet]

35. At the time, the South were Democrats. The death toll was about 644,000.

The South began the war.

[scscholar]

37. It was the Republicans that wouldn't let them leave

Don't forget who started it. Republicans.

[jamese777]

46. The Republican Party was the progressive party

in 1860. The Democratic Party was pro-slavery and reactionary.

[LongtimeAZDem]

53. Even less progessive to murder people to preserve human slavery (nt)

[LongtimeAZDem]

56. They wanted to preserve the "blessings of African slavery", and steal the propery of

the United States; they killed Americans when the U.S. tried to stop them. They got off easy.

[LongtimeAZDem]

52. The South wanted to leave the United States in order to preserve the instituion of slavery

to invoke either the Republicans or the Democrats is nonsense; neither party of the time bears much similarity to it's modern namesake.

[jehop61]

2. This is one

of the weirder posts today. Where's your sarcasm emoji?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

4. Indeed

[CK_John]

11. You are in too big a box and you can't think outside of it.

[Meldread]

12. There are a lot of masturbatory fantasies by some on this site regarding...

...the complete collapse of current global and national institutions. It has something to do with "corporatists", "banksters", and "powerful elites". They have some ridiculous notion that somehow this will lead to the revolutionary outcomes that they want, when in reality all it will do is continue to empower far right nationalists. These people and their ideas are dangerous.

[Armstead]

17. No..... just want to restore some fucking economic balance and sanity and a semblance of democracy

Sorry if that seems like a ridiculous radical notion.

[Meldread]

18. By handing more and more power to far right nationalists?

You do realize that is what these breakups inevitably lead too, right? Liberal utopia isn't going to break out in them, and they'll find it much harder to address their economic concerns.

[Armstead]

55. You make a point that is debatable but reasonable

What I objected to was your nasty (and conservative) characterization of people on the left who don't like oppressive power, and their concerns about excessive power concentrated in too few hands.

[840high]

26. .+1

[JustAnotherGen]

3. Nope - don't see that happening and if it did

It wouldn't be the Texits (I thinks thats what they are calling themselves). I think you would see something different and far more radical.

[B2G]

5. OK, this is just getting silly. nt

[sufrommich]

7. No,we aren't Europe. nt

[snooper2]

10. Well, I guess it is after noon for everyone except the West coast

[edhopper]

13. No

been there, done that.


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[Scootaloo]

14. No, becuase we ahve a very different system than the EU

Basically put, the United States is one single nation divided into administrative regions we call "states." The EU, however, is an amalgamation of actual independent nations in a tightly interwoven alliance.

While the US will not last forever, Brexit surely won't be the catalyst for that eventuality.

[treestar]

44. Nitpick: states are more than administrative regions

States have some form of sovereignty limited by the Constitution which says what States can and cannot do. And what the federal government can and cannot due. States can't make their own immigration laws and the feds can't make criminal laws unless there is interstate involvement.

[Norrin Radd]

16. Hail Cascadia!

We'll take Bernie for President, here.

[msongs]

19. no, it means little to nothing to the USA in the long run nt

[CK_John]

21. That's what everyone said in 1920 and we got the 30's and 40's.

[LeftyMom]

20. Your prognosticating threads are one of the most amusing things on DU.

[Godhumor]

23. I also enjoy them tremendously n/t

[ileus]

22. We're always wanting to shed the Red States so why not...

[TransitJohn]

24. Sure, why not?

I already live in the Capitol City, so it's good for me. The rest of the Districts of Panem might not be so lucky.
If it were necessary,

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. lol

that was amusing

[NightWatcher]

28. I just like saying FLEXIT (Florida)

I would join the Conch Republic

[Squinch]

40. NYEXIT? Sounds Russian.

[leftofcool]

29. Yea okay

[Atman]

30. If it means we ditch Texas and Mississippi, then I'm all for it.

I'd throw in (out?) Arizona, too, but they've got that really cool canyon thing goin' on.

[LanternWaste]

31. In 2012, petitions to secede were filed for 23 states. Know what happened? Nothing.

"Will the breakup of the EU lead to a breakup movement in the US..."

The absurd and failed movement has been here in place for some time. As recently as 2012, petitions to secede were filed for 23 states. Know what came of that? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Additionally, by withdrawing from the Union, a state would effectively be denying a citizen of the United States their rights. The US Supreme Court has held that once a state has joined the Union, they may not choose to leave at a later time (Texas v. White). No state has the right to unilateral secession.

[yardwork]

36. No.

[malaise]

38. Way back when the Soviet Union broke up I predicted that

there will be several other break-ups. I was thinking US not the recently formed EU.

You can't celebrate the destruction (by any means including implosion) of other sovereign countries and not give your own goons the same ideas to get their agenda served.

[yellowcanine]

39. No.

This is a simplistic notion and Trump-like thinking I might add. It completely ignores the very different histories of the U.S., the U.K. and the other EU countries.

[XRubicon]

41. No

[roamer65]

42. No.

We are a strong federation with a single currency.

[CK_John]

43. The 30's gave us a blue print for Trump and his whole new nationalist

friends.

I wonder what he was really doing in Scotland?

[One_Life_To_Give]

45. opposition to TPP, NAFTA may increase short term

Longer term is going to depend upon how well or poorly this works out for Main street in Britain.

[Orrex]

47. I suspect that Rhode Island will finally decide to go it alone.

[X_Digger]

48. I swear to god, some of your posts have to be sarcasm, but damned if I can tell which. n/t

[CK_John]

61. I don't do sarcasm.

[IronLionZion]

49. Separatist movements exist

in Texas, Alaska, Puerto Rico, and other places. And there are regions that want to separate from their state while remaining part of the USA.

America did have a brutal civil war over a breakup movement.

[brush]

51. Break up with what?

[jberryhill]

57. And will self-driving cars stop for border checks!

[Zambero]

58. Texit?

Texas has a raucous independence faction. When can they be shown the door?

[CK_John]

62. Is the King Ranch still owned by the British, bigger than Rhode Island..