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Sat Jul 9, 2016, 05:13 AM

 

Hero woman writes perfect letter to the editor

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http://fusion.net/story/320620/heidi-hero-men-abortion/

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Reply Hero woman writes perfect letter to the editor (Original post)
Liberal_in_LA Jul 2016 OP
Fast Walker 52 Jul 2016 #1
Hoppy Jul 2016 #2
MH1 Jul 2016 #7
Hoppy Jul 2016 #8
MH1 Jul 2016 #9
SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #20
WhiteTara Jul 2016 #26
AllyCat Jul 2016 #10
PJMcK Jul 2016 #13
malthaussen Jul 2016 #22
AllyCat Jul 2016 #23
malthaussen Jul 2016 #24
mrmpa Jul 2016 #29
Vinca Jul 2016 #3
bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #4
Betty Karlson Jul 2016 #5
LWolf Jul 2016 #17
irisblue Jul 2016 #18
Soxfan58 Jul 2016 #6
Lithos Jul 2016 #27
whathehell Jul 2016 #11
calimary Jul 2016 #25
whathehell Jul 2016 #30
wallyworld2 Jul 2016 #12
Stuart G Jul 2016 #14
niyad Jul 2016 #15
CrispyQ Jul 2016 #16
mwooldri Jul 2016 #19
tetedur Jul 2016 #21
SheilaT Jul 2016 #28

Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 06:41 AM

1. "old men's fusty opinions about uteri"

 

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 06:49 AM

2. Old white men's fusty opinions about uteri.

 

She should have been more accurate.

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Response to Hoppy (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:22 AM

7. Why? Why does race enter into it? Seriously, educate me.

Are old black men less likely to oppose abortion?

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Response to MH1 (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:29 AM

8. On account of because I don't recall many black men on that bandwagon.

 

Black men ain't shooting up abortion clinics. Black guys ain't the ones I see on teevee asking for my money to stop the murdering. I don't see pictures of black men on the hate line yelling murderer to women entering the abortion clinics.

But then, again, maybe I tune on to the wrong channels.

Carry on.

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Response to Hoppy (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:36 AM

9. Well, I agree that black men aren't shooting up abortion clinics (that I know of)

BUT, a) we don't know the race of the editorial writers she was responding to, and b) there are plenty of black men who are opposed to abortion. Given the power dynamics in this country, I'm pretty sure it isn't top of MOST black men's priorities to be vocal about abortion. But that doesn't make it impossible that they will be writing letters and spouting bullshit on this topic. I just don't think this is a highly race-based issue.

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Response to MH1 (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 05:30 PM

20. Not arguing, just commenting:

Several years ago The State newspaper in Columbia SC commissioned a poll on social/political issues. Black respondents were significantly more likely to agree with restrictions on abortion.
If you recall, the GOP put a gay marriage initiative on the Ohio ballot for W's re-election race in 2004 and lobbied hard in AA churches. Bush's thin margin of victory in Ohio ( without which he would have lost the election ) was widely attributed to an increase in the AA vote for the GOP, tied to the gay marriage issue.
The first issue may just be reflective of the South, but there is a lot of evidence that black voters who regularly attend church are more socially conservative than white voters.

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Response to MH1 (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:32 PM

26. You might not think so, but

it is. White men have been the rulers of many centuries and they have fusty old ideas that they are supreme and all others are lesser than and the fusty old white men think they can tell the lesser than thans what to do. They especially love telling women of all races how to behave just for them.

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Response to Hoppy (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:37 AM

10. Yup. I see the anti-abortion argument as not only misogynist, but racist.

I'm not saying there are not blacks who are against abortion. I am saying, it is the white ones that get the air time and feel they need to put their views out there for everyone to see.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:21 AM

13. Those are just some of the issues for power-hungry Republicans

Abortion rights, voting rights and civil rights are all individual parts of the spectrum of Republican's desire to subjugate and control people.

I don't know whether there's a racial component to the abortion debate, but my impression reflects Hoppys observations in post #8, above. When abortion rights are being attacked, it's people like Jerry Falwell, Jr., Dr. James Dobson, Franklin Graham, Pat Robertson, Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz who are the most vocal advocates of the so-called pro-life movement.

Regardless, Republicans want to control everything in our lives, except for our Second Amendment rights, of course.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 06:17 PM

22. The problem with that is the inconsistency...

... one would think misogynistic racists would be all in favor of anything that reduced the target population, especially if they also buy into the whole deal about welfare mothers popping out one baby after another and eating lobster on their tax dollars. However, consistency has never been the trademark of fanatics. And they can always claim that they want people to stop having sex, because of morality and all.

-- Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #22)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 06:48 PM

23. Not reducing the population.

Enslaving them when they may not be able or want to support children.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #23)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 06:58 PM

24. No, I don't think so.

It's a proposition with a certain internal logic, but the outrage over supporting a dependent population appears to me to be too loud to support it. That it would apply to enslaving the women of the preferred race, I can agree with, but that comes from a different wellspring than racial hatred. Baldly, these men want their women to submit, but they want the other races to die. After all, except for the prison system, no use is made of these "slaves" by the ruling class. Is that an aspiration? It's possible, I suppose, but they have so many other potential slaves far away in East and South Asia.

The desire to cut all welfare, food stamps, etc, indicates that these people have no wish to support the oppressed class, but there is no indication that they have any plan or desire to use them.

-- Mal

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 11:10 PM

29. I've been saying for years that anti-abortionists have a racist......

bent.

They are outraged that the births of African-American and Latino children is outpacing the births of white children. That's what they are afraid of.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 06:53 AM

3. A very good point and very well said.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 06:54 AM

4. Wonder what would happen

if old women, with the wisdom of their lifetimes, started weighing in on
what young men should do with their ejaculations? Because the young
have the libido to burn rubber.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 06:57 AM

5. They do. It's called "religious freedom"

 

and what it amounts to is (old men and) old women telling young gay men (and young lesbian women) that they should be ashamed of their natural functions.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 12:15 PM

17. Here's an authentic suggestion

from my 80 yo mother, who fully supports abortion rights and adult consensual sexual freedom:

She says that all males should undergo a mandated vasectomy at puberty. At age 25 or later they could petition to have it reversed, after having educated themselves and established themselves as independently responsible for themselves.

That's her response to any suggestion that women's choices should be regulated by men.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #17)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 12:38 PM

18. I like your mom. alot. Permission from a tribal council to breed!

::: :::

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:09 AM

6. This old man

Thinks this is great!! Well said Heidi

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Response to Soxfan58 (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:04 PM

27. This old man couldn't agree more

Well said Heidi!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:40 AM

11. "Heidi is sick of your bullshit"

Love it.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #11)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 06:58 PM

25. So is calimary.

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Response to calimary (Reply #25)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:40 PM

30. The more the merrier!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:19 AM

12. fusty (adj.)

musty, mouldy, stale-smelling

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:23 AM

14. k and r...nt

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 12:01 PM

15. YAYYYYYYY for Heidi!!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 12:08 PM

16. Love it.

Glad the paper printed it.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 04:16 PM

19. Ultracrepidarian.

Someone who gives advice or opinions on which they know nothing about.

Sadly our news media is full of them... in fact there's a whole news network that is presented by such people....

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 05:36 PM

21. Just once I would like to see one of these men who are anti-abortion be asked the question. . .

Have you ever had unprotected sex with a woman? Did you ever have sex with a woman with whom you did not want to have a child? Did you leave it up to the woman to be responsible for contraception? If so, STFU about abortions. I'm sure a number of these anti-abortion men would have to sit down and shut up.

The truth is men can stop all abortions tonight, today, right now. If they would simply be responsible for the possibility of causing pregnancy or baring that just keep it in their pants.... Yeah that'll happen.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:36 PM

28. I frequently point out that a person who does not believe in abortion

 

can simply not have one. I once said that to a truly obnoxious RW fundamentalist 14 your old boy I knew -- he loved trying to bait me on the abortion issue -- and he was stunned to complete silence for several minutes. At the end of which, he actually said, "I'm going to think very hard about what you said." Not sure if he ever changed his mind, but I think I did get him to rethink his position.

What angers me the most about almost all who oppose abortion is the sheer hypocrisy involved. All those men who have sex, presuming that the woman will deal with the birth control aspect, not even acknowledging that birth control can and does fail. Or telling a woman who is carrying a fetus that will die shortly after birth, or live an unknown length of life in pain or misery. Or there's a genetic defect of some sort. On and on.

NO ONE should ever judge someone else's decision to have an abortion. I don't care if some other woman would have one in circumstances where I'd have the baby. The simple truth is, I'm not that other woman. I'm only myself. I can only account for or defend my own personal decisions.

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