Refugee attacks train passengers in Germany, shouts Allah akbar

[Albertoo]

In Nice it was a truck, in the train near Würzburg, it was axe and knife.

The underlying problem is not the choice of weapon, but the growth of such attacks.

Teenager attacks passengers with axe and knife on train in Germany

A teenager armed with an axe and a knife has attacked around 20 passengers on a train in northern Bavaria, according to local police.

Three people were seriously hurt and one person sustained light injuries before the attacker was shot dead by police, a police spokesman said on Monday evening.

Bavaria’s interior minister, Joachim Herrmann, said the attacker was a 17-year-old Afghan asylum seeker who had arrived in Germany as an unaccompanied minor and had been living with a foster family in Ochsenfurt, south of Würzburg, for “a few months”.

A police taskforce that happened to be in the vicinity then pursued the attacker, shooting dead the 17-year-old, who was carrying an axe and a knife when he had attacked members of the unit.

Asked whether the attack had an Islamist background, Herrmann said one witness inside the train said the teenager had shouted “Allahu Akbar” during the assault. The report was being investigated.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/about-20-people-injured-in-axe-attack-on-train-in-germany

[scscholar]

1. As if we believe this

First hand witness reports are notoriously unreliable.

[Albertoo]

2. But we see reliably greater than proportional attacks by Muslims recently

In which religion does seem to play at least a noticeable role.

[Angel Martin]

3. even if there are questions about how to classify

certain attacks, the pace of operations by ISIS and outriders etc. is accelerating.

[Albertoo]

4. The danger is vaster than just ISIS

Decades of financing of radical ideology by the Saudis had to have consequences.

[Angel Martin]

6. I agree

the lone wolf jihad but unaffiliated attacks have caused a lot of deaths and destruction. The common factor seems to be Saudi funded radical imans, in mosques or online.

ISIS has pulled off some big attacks with multiple people (eg Paris) but many of the multi person attacks from them, Al Quaeda etc were detected prior and stopped. The more people involved, the more chance for a leak or an informer.

That's part of why the lone wolves can be so successful. If they are careful chance of prior detection is close to zero.

[LanternWaste]

34. And greater proportionality of males doing the attacking... in which gender does seem to play a noti

And greater proportionality of males doing the attacking... in which gender does seem to play a noticeable role as well.

(six of one, half a dozen of the other... and each sourced with supporting and objective evidence as the other)

[Albertoo]

35. Yes. Islam isn't too hot on female warriors.

[Yo_Mama]

11. Hand-painted ISIS flag found in this guy's room

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-attacks-germany-idUSKCN0ZY2LA

Police have found a hand-painted Islamic State flag in the room of a young Afghan refugee who attacked passengers on a train in southern Germany with an axe, a state minister said on Tuesday.

If an American had attacked a random group while shouting white supremacy slogans, and then the police had found hand-made KKK insignia in his room, absolutely no one on this board would presume that his motives were unknown.

I'm just relieved that the foster family is all right!!!

[jmg257]

15. Pretty sure we do...after all - why not? nt

[Marengo]

22. Right? He was really shouting "I wanna snack bar", but Islamophobic passangers...

Heard something sinister.

[Albertoo]

27. Those suspicious islamophobes are a menace

[Albertoo]

5. Now official: attacker had an ISIS flag at home

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36832909

[Democat]

7. As long as he's not a Christian

He'll find plenty of support or denial here at DU.

[romanic]

8. Damn, this is the cold truth right here.

[Yo_Mama]

12. True. n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

14. Even then Christians will be denounced, at times with a greater share of the blame.

[whatthehey]

16. "Religion had nothing to do with this" is used far more often on DU *about* Christians

I'm not sure how a religio-loony of another, albeit related, faith going berserk means Christians are the poor oppressed victims of DU but it's a role they seem to seek.

[Albertoo]

18. True. About the attack in Nice, the knee jerk reaction was to exonerate religion

It's tragicomic, because in itself, this need to always try to cover up for religion only highlights that most people's initial suspicions were about radical Islam. And proved to be confirmed rather fast. The fact the precious few hours when it was possible to try to claim it had nothing to do with religion were put to immediate use shows some kind of increasing desperation on the part of people who want to believe a religion, any religion, must be good.

Karen Armstrong wrote a piece ten days after 9/11 saying it had nothing to do with Islam..

[Amishman]

9. isolated incident, no need to draw any conclusions

nothing to see here, move along

(we need to open our eyes to the uptick in islamic terrorism, or the pubs will bludgeon us with it as an election issue)

[pampango]

19. Thank you. Republicans paint 'illegal immigrants' as bad based on the actions of a few.

There is no cause to paint refugees as bad for the actions of a few.

[Chathamization]

32. A number of people seem to want to copy Trump's anti-immigrant fearmongering and hate

They only disagree on the targets - they think it should be solely focused on Muslims. It's also interesting the way these posts are almost exactly like the racism you see at Freeperville. "Here's a crime committed by group x, how come Liberals are ignoring it, how come Liberals can't admit that group x is violent and is a problem, why do Liberals pretend that all groups are equal when group x is clearly inferior," etc. We even get the "yeah I'm sure this was done by the Amish! /sarcasm" lines.

I guess it's not surprising that bigotry is so similar.

[Albertoo]

36. Opposition to supremacist ideologies is not hate or fearmongering

The texts of Islam, taken literally, are supremacist.
Many of the believers of that ideology read the texts literally (wahhabis, salafists)

Where is the fearmongering in taking note of these obvious facts?

[Chathamization]

38. So you agree with the radical fundamentalist interpretation. Most people don't.

I can't think of a reason why someone would be so focused on arguing that the radical fundamentalist interpretation is the correct interpretation unless they were either radical fundamentalists themselves or trying to denigrate Muslims in general. The latter seems to be especially the case since most of the evidence provided seems to come from truncated quotes taken out of context that they find on anti-Muslim hate sites.

The radical fundamentalist interpretation is one that is often considered wrong by experts in the subject (such as Islamic history professors). People are ignoring the experts and relying on hate sites, using misinformation, and doing all this to argue that people like ISIS are correct. The motivations seem to clearly be fearmongering and bigotry.

[Albertoo]

39. It's rather lame to try that tactic: taking note is not approving

However, it is important not to lose track of the logic

1- the Quran is supposed to be the perfect, eternal word of god
2- the Quran contains hundreds of supremacist verses commanding to subdue the infidels
3- the believer must submit to the word of god -> subdue the infidels (not figuratively)

The religious logic appears to be on the side of the extremists

[Albertoo]

28. Your sentence below should be an eye opener for all Democrats:

we need to open our eyes to the uptick in islamic terrorism,
or the pubs will bludgeon us with it as an election issue

[leftynyc]

37. Many on this board have been

saying that very thing for a very long time. We're called Islamophobes, haters, bigots, racists. The ones who have used those words so many times they've lost all meaning, are killing this party and prove Bill Maher right every single day.

[Albertoo]

40. Yup. Poor Bill Maher, so vilified here, yet so right.

[backscatter712]

33. Nope. Obviously, toxic religion had nothing to do with this attack.

Why, if I say it did, I'd be a bigoted shitlord.

[bdwker]

10. “Allahu Akbar” ???

Wait a sec.... oh man

[bdwker]

13. Obviously...

its western hegemony and aggression that caused him to do that.

end of sarcasm

Slick move there Angela.

[Albertoo]

17. Absolutely. Germany's fault.

And letting in a million+ people, many holding antidemocratic values, was a smart move.

[MowCowWhoHow III]

20. IS releases video of Germany train attacker making threats

IS releases video of Germany train attacker making threats
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/755397785080463360

[whatthehey]

21. No no no no NO!

It's not "Islamic State". It's "Angry hateful hopeless oppressed marginalized victims of Western imperialism who all happen to advocate fundamentalist Islamism by a sheer coincidence that does nothing to motivate them whatsoever State"

So please in the interests of not being an unforgivable Islamophobic bigot change your hegemonic initialism to "AHHOMVOWIWAHTAFIBASCTDNTMTWS".

[calendargirl]

26. This. nt

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[Albertoo]

29. You are right, but

1- some people still revel in denial

2- can you find something more catchy than AHHOMVOWIWAHTAFIBASCTDNTMTWS?

[Kahina_Loren]

23. More

More and related:

Mum and three daughters stabbed in France for being 'too scantily dressed'

A mother and her three daughters have been stabbed in France for apparently being too 'scantily dressed'.

An eight-year-old girl is said to be fighting for her life after suffering a punctured lung in the knife attack in the Hautes-Alpes region.

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-07-19/mum-and-three-daughters-stabbed-in-france-for-being-too-scantily-dressed/

[calendargirl]

24. Four females attacked

For wearing shorts and t-shirts on holiday in the summertime. Was Mohamed B. a lone wolf attacker too?

[Albertoo]

30. Maybe we should blame the girls for fear of being called islamophobes

After all, stabbing girls for wearing bermuda shorts is probably OK if wearing bermuda shorts is unislamic. Who knows?

[Takket]

25. That's gratitude for you!

[Albertoo]

31. Who needs to be grateful toward kuffar unbelievers?