is Trump trying to lose?

[Botany]

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I am serious. i now think he didn't think he would get this far and he does not want
to be President and we are now looking at a man trying to tank the election.


Was the Cruz dissing Trump last night a WWE stunt?

Example #2 ..... Trump I don't know if I would back NATO.

[lapfog_1]

1. Yup.

A hero is nothing without a villain to vanquish, which is just as true in professional wrestling as it is in movies, television or books. WWE has no shortage of villains to choose from across its 60-year history.

Ted Cruz just became a WWE villain for the political realm of the entertainment industry.

The Donald knows how to entertain the rubes.

He had a copy of Ted's speech, he knew that Ted would not endorse, his "yellow cap" whips started the booing and encouraging the rest of the convention to boo, and Don knew when to make his entrance from the back of the convention.

It was all simply theater.

[Botany]

4. Andy Kaufman where are you?

Now, Andy did you hear about this one?
Tell me, are you locked in the punch?
Andy are you goofing on Elvis, hey, baby?
Are we losing touch?
If you believed they put a man on the moon, man on the moon
If you believe there's nothing up his sleeve, then nothing is cool

[groundloop]

6. No, more like he never expected to get this far (think Rosie Ruiz)

IMO he started the campaign as nothing more than a way to get attention, then when he discovered he actually had a shot at the nomination (because all the 'real' candidates self destructed) he was totally unprepared.

[tblue37]

16. His original plan WAS just to use the campaign for attention to feed his ego and promote his brand.

The disillusioned and disgusted former Communications Communications Director of the Make America Great Again Super PAC wrote about that fact:

http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector

An Open Letter to Trump Voters from His Top Strategist-Turned-Defector:
I respect Trump's fans. That's why I can no longer support the man himself.
STEPHANIE CEGIELSKI MAR 28, 2016

SNIP

Almost a year ago, recruited for my public relations and public policy expertise, I sat in Trump Tower being told that the goal was to get The Donald to poll in double digits and come in second in delegate count. That was it.

The Trump camp would have been satisfied to see him polling at 12% and taking second place to a candidate who might hold 50%. His candidacy was a protest candidacy.

SNIP

I don't think even Trump thought he would get this far. And I don’t even know that he wanted to, which is perhaps the scariest prospect of all.

He certainly was never prepared or equipped to go all the way to the White House, but his ego has now taken over the driver's seat, and nothing else matters. The Donald does not fail. The Donald does not have any weakness. The Donald is his own biggest enemy.

SNIP

This woman was recruited to serve as the Communications Director of the Make America Great Again Super PAC because she has expertise and experience in PR and public policy. Cegielski says she was told that the goal was to get The Donald to poll in double digits and come in second in delegate count" <emphasis added>. She now calls him "the presidential equivalent of Sanjaya on American Idol."

Everyone needs to read her open letter: http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector

Everyone also needs to read the Vanity Fair article about Tony Schwartz, the ghost writer who actually wrote Trump's book The Art of the Deal. Schwartz spent 18 months nonstop shadowing Trump 8 or more hours every day, so he knows Trump's character, his attitudes, and his behavior better than anyone. He is horrified at the idea of letting that sociopath (Schwartz's well-informed description of the Donald) anywhere near the presidency.

Here is the link to the Vanity Fair article:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/trump-ghostwriter-art-of-the-deal

TRUMP’S GHOSTWRITER SPEAKS: IF THE DONALD WINS, IT WILL BE “THE END OF CIVILIZATION”:
The man who worked with Donald Trump to craft The Art of the Deal is wracked by remorse.

[sufrommich]

2. When is the last time you saw a narcissist try to lose? nt

[sofa king]

5. Exactly

There is no limit to the amount of attention and adulation a narcissist requires, only an insatiable desire for more of it. He's not trying to lose, he is totally incompetent yet really believes that he is a winner. He will try as hard as he can to win, and steal it if he can't. If he loses, he will blame the people, shower them with disdain, and attempt to harm them.

[emulatorloo]

3. No. He's trying to win.

Is he incompetent? Yes

[SheilaT]

7. Once again, NO, he is NOT trying to lose.

Last year there were those who postulated that he was really an undercover agent for Hillary Clinton, in the race to assure her election. They were wrong then, and anyone who suggests he intends or is trying to lose is being naive.

He's a total narcissist. He's reasonably bright, but intellectually lazy, probably hasn't read a book in years, and hasn't entertained any real ideas since high school. He thinks all of life is a reality TV show, doesn't know the Constitution, doesn't understand how the Civil Service works, doesn't know he won't be able to fire Supreme Court Justices or Senators, thinks that being President will be like running his various companies: he can just tell people what to do and it will magically get done and it doesn't matter at all if he files for bankruptcy every so often.

He's a dangerous demagogue who will totally ruin this country if he's elected in November.

[Botany]

9. Trump is a sleeze bag and a con man but I think he wants no part of the job as POTUS

Another thing that makes me think that Trump really doesn't want to be POTUS is
that he really doesn't hasn't hired the staff to run a Presidential campaign.


But then again might be wrong.

SheilaT

[SheilaT]

18. Oh, it's clear he both doesn't have any clue what the job really entails

and he has no real intention of doing the work involved. But he still wants to win the election, because, after all, he's a winner and everyone else is a loser. At least that's how he sees the world.

I know there's a lot of speculation that if he were to win the election he'd more or less promptly resign, but I also don't think that's very likely. I think he'd march into the White House as if it's simply another one of his properties, and commence wreaking havoc everywhere. He might resign just ahead of impeachment, but I'm not sure about that.

One part of me would really love to see how this would actually play out, but the more sensible part of me doesn't want any of this to happen.

[Johonny]

8. Yeah he's been trying to win and lose all along

He wants the title of president but it's been clear all along someone else will be the president. He loves all this attention but scared *less of actually being the president. He has no ideas and no plan and no intention of forming them. The leading candidates to run the country under a Trump presidency as noted by many now are his two sons who will wield most of the oval office power with Mike Pence either having an expanded role or a role under the thumb of the two sons (which might explain why so many people rejected the offer.)

[yuiyoshida]

10. Ya know if HE wanted out, he could just quit and walk away...

No one is going to MAKE HIM become President if he really does not want it. I say, Walk away!! That would totally destroy the Republican party!

[tblue37]

11. He sent his son to ask Kasich to run as his VP, offering to

let him be the real president behind the scenes.

Trump Junior asked Kasich if he would like to be "the most powerful vice president in history," saying Daddy was offering to give him responsibility for both domestic and foreign policy. When Kasich asked what Trump himself would be responsible for, Junior actually answered, "Making America great again."

Trump wants to feed his insatiable ego with all the trappings and glory of the office, but he wants someone else to do ll the actual work of presidentin', as Cheney did for W, but probably even more so.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

12. No. He's simply incapable of thinking beyond the immediate moment.

All his NPD rattled head know is that running for President keeps him in the headlines. Therefore, running for President = good. Being President = Good. Destroying the United States of America = Good, so long as he gets the credit.

All press is good press to him. He said so himself:



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/755787159735570432

[Pisces]

13. Yes

[Vinca]

14. That's what I've been wondering.

The Trump campaign seems like a stunt that got away from them. They aren't funding it, have no infrastructure and keep making more and more bizarre statements. Unfortunately, his followers are more like a cult and will follow him no matter what he says or does.

[Botany]

15. His base isn't fazed by his actions but at the end of the day .....

.... It is mid July and he has not put together a campaign staff which
can really run a national election.

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. An analysis that thinks Trump was indeed pulling a WWE stunt

* First, never forget that Trump came to reality TV by way of pro wrestling. He may not be able to business his way out of a paper bag but Trump showed up on the WWE circuit like he was born to be there. He showed a natural talent for syntax of the business, a mix of aggressive bullshit and classic show biz. Nobody had to show Trump how to wrap a room of screaming morons (yes I know, #notallprowrestlingfans) around his stubby fingers. That part came natural. I think I could make the case that a frothing WWE crowd has a lot in common with Republican base voters who constitute his faithful core. I hope I do not need point out that pro wrestling informs just about everything he does in this race. That time he crashed Glenn Beck’s anti-Trump Cruz event? WWE in a nutshell.
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* That last point is really important. You do not work with Trump. You submit and then he proves it by humiliating you. Hi Chris! If you don’t submit then you are his enemy. There is no such thing as a ‘friend’, ‘partner’ or ‘ally‘. Ted Cruz gave a moving, and often false (hi LBJ!), paean to the Republican party. If anything his words sound like a plea to support the GOP regardless of the guy at the top of the ticket. If you cut out the audience riot it reads like a speech that tries quite hard to thread the party unity needle. The problem is Trump gives not one tiny shit about the GOP. Ted did not submit. After that primary how could he? Trump rules being what they are, that makes Cruz the enemy.

* Martin Longman is right, someone orchestrated that chaos. The New York delegation is Trump’s core people. They knew when going apeshit would put Cruz in a certain light. Look at Trump’s entrance during the Cruz speech and ask yourself how he would have timed it so well if Cruz’s speech surprised him. Remember, Cruz did not drop the not-endorsing bomb out loud until just before Trump walked in. Trump read the speech. He talked about it with Cruz. If nothing else trust that Trump’s gossamer ego would keep him awake and sweating until he knew exactly what his greatest internal enemy would say about him on prime time TV. This is a guy who installed a special switchboard so he could listen to employees gossiping. Trump’s famous laziness covers every imaginable topic except Trump and what people say about Trump.
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It clearly delights Trump whenever an opponent submits. Carson was a gimme and Christie was desperate, and the Republican leadership basically didn’t have a choice. Each time Trump twists their thumb a little extra just to make sure slower folks in the audience get the point. However, Kasich wrote him off completely and Rubio sent a video, probably guessing that Trump would pull some bullshit if he showed up in person. Cruz, on the other hand, gave Trump a unique opportunity. Wrestlers need rivals. You could think of Hillary as Trump’s main rival, but Hillary is a hard target. He has no power over her, she doesn’t need his voters and she is better at this game than he is. Ted Cruz on the other hand is a great rival. He is the strongest anti-Trump Republican still standing. He is a pretentious, oily asshole who makes ordinary people uncomfortable and professional Republicans already hate him as much as Trump, and Cruz desperately needs to please the same crowd of (uncharitable adjective/noun) who are shouting Trump’s name. That my friends is an opportunity.

https://www.balloon-juice.com/2016/07/21/it-turned-into-a-ballroom-blitz/