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Who Do You Think Hillary's VP Pick Will Be? (Original Post) Doctor Jack Jul 2016 OP
Elizabeth Warren. NuclearDem Jul 2016 #1
I hope so Doctor Jack Jul 2016 #7
Kaine. Peregrine Took Jul 2016 #2
We may find out in the next few hours. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #3
Cory Booker... kentuck Jul 2016 #4
You're right about that ... I've always been partial to him. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #23
Oh hell no MattBaggins Jul 2016 #26
Booker does not cover bases... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #44
Julian Castro...n/t chillfactor Jul 2016 #5
Unlikely SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #39
Tim Kaine lamp_shade Jul 2016 #6
There's been so much Kaine talk, I'm betting it's a fake for either Warren or Perez. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #8
Could be Doctor Jack Jul 2016 #14
I know who won't be! imanamerican63 Jul 2016 #9
I'm resigned to Kaine being selected; but I desperately hope my gut is wrong. LonePirate Jul 2016 #10
Pick Bill. Pick Bill. I'm not a fan but I'd love to watch the repukes heads explode en masse NightWatcher Jul 2016 #11
He's constitutionally ineligible. Angleae Jul 2016 #34
I fear Kaine edhopper Jul 2016 #12
I really don't think you need to worry that Hortensis Jul 2016 #22
But he is edhopper Jul 2016 #24
The world isn't black or white and people Hortensis Jul 2016 #28
You should read up on him too edhopper Jul 2016 #31
I want Warren because I want her and the signal Hortensis Jul 2016 #33
Hillary has at least the perception of being edhopper Jul 2016 #36
Well, although I wouldn't be thrilled, Hortensis Jul 2016 #37
Yes edhopper Jul 2016 #38
She'll be the new boss. Hortensis Jul 2016 #40
yeah edhopper Jul 2016 #42
I think it will be Kaine....but.... BooScout Jul 2016 #13
I wasn't, but now I am, leaning to Warren. Hillary doesn't really need foreign expertise in a VP. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #15
All she needs is to wrap up the base Doctor Jack Jul 2016 #17
Clinton. Iggo Jul 2016 #16
Likely Kaine. liberalmuse Jul 2016 #18
My gut feeling, in this order of probablity ,,,, Rosco T. Jul 2016 #19
I think it will be Warren and she's who I want. n/t Different Drummer Jul 2016 #20
Elizabeth Warren - I wish Hillary would announce it tonight. avebury Jul 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author arthritisR_US Jul 2016 #25
I want Warren. Martin O'Malley would be good rurallib Jul 2016 #27
Here is what the gang over at 538 has to say Doctor Jack Jul 2016 #29
Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka AngryAmish Jul 2016 #30
Made me laugh. Thank you. nt JanMichael Jul 2016 #45
Warren nt puffy socks Jul 2016 #32
Florida's native son Stravidis whistler162 Jul 2016 #35
I Don't Care. No one really cares about a VP pick....unless alphafemale Jul 2016 #41
Warren! ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #43
No clue. I sense misdirection but honestly I have no idea. JanMichael Jul 2016 #46
One more thought - 4 or 8 years from now who could take the reigns? JanMichael Jul 2016 #47
If she wants to blow the doors off the barn after Trump's speech last night... Miles Archer Jul 2016 #48
CNN just announced octoberlib Jul 2016 #49

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
7. I hope so
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jul 2016

But my mild concern is that it will be Tim Kaine. He wouldn't be terrible but I fail to see how exactly he has earned being the title of front runner.

I disagree that we need to somehow counter trump and have someone that isn't "low energy" as the orange jackass would say but if we want to get the base onboard, Kaine isn't it. Clinton would have to do all of the heavy lifting to get the last few holdouts on our side and that is a tall order.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
44. Booker does not cover bases...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jul 2016

Big Wall St. guy, little to no foreign policy experience, etc.

I voted for him, but he is not right for VP at all.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
39. Unlikely
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jul 2016

He was just found to have violated the Hatch Act...not necessarily something that we need on the ticket.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
14. Could be
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:36 PM
Jul 2016

There sure is a lot of talk about Kaine. He is the most likely choice, he is the one the experts expect, he is the one that the campaign is leaning towards. An actual Kaine pick would be very anti-climactic.

It would be like watching a murder mystery and the killer seems really obvious from the beginning..and that is who the killer is. It creates an extremely dull narrative. Bringing out someone that seems like a longshot would certainly create a lot of buzz and excitement. Optically, if she wants to go for a moment tomorrow that is extremely boring, predictable, and frankly forgettable she will bring Kaine up on stage and that will be the end of it. Not only would it be painfully obvious but also the candidate himself is very dull.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
10. I'm resigned to Kaine being selected; but I desperately hope my gut is wrong.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jul 2016

Warren, Perez, Becerra and O'Malley would all be better selections. Hillary needs to go left. Use the VP pick to shore up the base and then she can position herself as the national security expert to attract those moderate Repubs who are wavering on Trump. There is no VP pick short of a disastrous Repub selection that will pull moderate Repubs into her camp.

Angleae

(4,482 posts)
34. He's constitutionally ineligible.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:41 AM
Jul 2016

Unless you're referring to a different "Bill" that I'm thinking of.

edhopper

(33,579 posts)
12. I fear Kaine
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jul 2016

or another Dino to turn towards the center.
Didn't picking Leiberman teach the Dems anything?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. I really don't think you need to worry that
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jul 2016

Kaine would turn into a Lieberman. Let's face it, how many of our legislators have ever moved from supposedly "liberal" to hard right militarily? He's a odball.

edhopper

(33,579 posts)
24. But he is
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jul 2016

a big bank surrogate.

Look if it gets Hillary elected and delivers Virginia, I'll live with it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. The world isn't black or white and people
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:32 PM
Jul 2016

certainly aren't black or white. Maybe don't worry about him now since he may not be chosen? If he is, then you could always do some reading and learn more about who the man is.

Btw, did you know that Elizabeth Warren was a Republican most of her adult life, until the party moved much farther right than it did under Reagan? These days she has one of the most conservative voting records in the Senate Democratic caucus, and yet she is a major force for progressive changes. There's a big clue there.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. I want Warren because I want her and the signal
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:25 AM
Jul 2016

she would provide of a strong focus on reforming business regulation and equitable income distribution. Tim Kaine doesn't give that political signal, but misinterpreting that to mean he would not be for that at all is what I mean by black OR white. A couple of analysts I read think that Warren could actually be counterproductive as VP, replacing chances for cooperation on reform between Clinton and business with a monolithically adversarial relationship that eventually accomplished less than could have been.

I'm not crazy about Kaine's positions on those two regulatory tweaks, based far more on the fact that Warren is opposed than anything I know, but that doesn't mean they aren't sensible. Kaine supports tailoring regulation to risk profiles rather than just asset classes. Dodd-Frank has flexibility to allow this specifically written into its provisions. Some wondering why this now think these positions may be meant to send a signal to the finance industry that a good working relationship will be possible. In any case, I do know that the regulatory structure we build has to work well, fairly and sensibly, in order to be strong and eventually be supported even by a good number of those regulated. (And, yes, many businesspeople do support good regulation.) A punitive and dysfunctional structure will help its enemies destroy it.

Frankly, even though Obama and Clinton both like and admire Kaine, and in fact almost everyone seems to (a majority black city council Kaine was once on choosing him for mayor is typical of his relations with his colleagues), I've been wondering why would she consider him when the election for his Senate seat might fill it with a Republican.

WaPo:

At the same time, Republicans acknowledge that Kaine is not an easy target. “It’s hard to find any flies on Tim Kaine,” said former congressman Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.). “He’s a thoroughly honest and decent man.”

edhopper

(33,579 posts)
36. Hillary has at least the perception of being
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jul 2016

pro-Wall Street. So Warren would be a good balance. Kaine would be more pro-Banks than Hillary.

I think she will make the political choice to go to her right for the Veep.

It's not a deal ender, just unfortunate.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
37. Well, although I wouldn't be thrilled,
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:51 AM
Jul 2016

since this isn't a black or white world I wouldn't take Kaine's presence on the ticket as proof that they will accomplish less than if Warren were but would instead wait and see what they tried to accomplish. They both want to expand Dodd-Frank, so that's good.

But the president does not have dictatorial powers, even if Trump has trouble understanding that, and the consensuses required to get anything important done are typically very complex and require a great deal of time, typically years, and effort by very clever people to accomplish.

Warren would probably be head of the bureau she helped create if at the same time she had also managed to create a trusting working relationship with enough on the other side who feel that increased regulation is necessary and inevitable; instead almost all decided against her. We may love her for her fighting commitment and see that as the strength it is, but the widespread enmity she created among bankers against her specifically is also a sign of weakness.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. She'll be the new boss.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jul 2016

But aren't we enjoying this waiting... Let's hope tomorrow is terrorism-free, at least in the
"western" world.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
17. All she needs is to wrap up the base
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jul 2016

Winning the democratic base is enough for an easy electoral victory. There are still some holdouts and even in that situation she is up by 4 or 5 points. Get most of those holdouts onboard and she is up by 6 or 7 straight through to the election. Since I doubt she would pick Sanders, Warren is the best option to do that.

If she picks Warren, this election is over tomorrow. If she pick Kaine or Vilsack, I'm sure she still wins but she will need to rely on centrists and independents, which is doable but makes her situation needlely more difficult.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
18. Likely Kaine.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jul 2016

He's a solid pick but does nothing for us far lefties. I'd love to see Warren, though. She knows how to give 'em hell. I'll be voting for her regardless since Trump is no joke.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
21. Elizabeth Warren - I wish Hillary would announce it tonight.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jul 2016

I seriously doubt that they will be able to sit on Trump long enough for him to no pull a lot of shennaigans during the DNC.

Response to Doctor Jack (Original post)

rurallib

(62,415 posts)
27. I want Warren. Martin O'Malley would be good
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jul 2016

I wish Spitzer were still in the game.
I wish Kamala Harris were a senator and pickable.

Corey Booker is acceptable but has some baggage to deal with.

Al Franken would be good. As would Sherrod Brown, but his seat would become a republican seat.

Please not Kaine or Vilsack.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
29. Here is what the gang over at 538 has to say
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jul 2016

natesilver: The Clintons aren’t being too subtle about this. They clearly want everyone to think that it’s either Kaine or Vilsack. Which is probably because it actually will be Kaine or Vilsack, and they want to see if airing their names out brings anything to the fore.Or it’s a misdirection, and they’re hoping to do something game-changey like pick Warren. I tend not to think it will be somewhere in between, though. You don’t tease Kaine or Vilsack and then trot out another Boring White Guy.

harry: I remind readers that very few people thought Bill Clinton would pick Al Gore in 1992. And what Bill Clinton ended up doing was choosing a candidate who reinforced his bona fides.

micah: I think Warren is a no-brainer.

natesilver: Warren would create the most buzz of any pick since Sarah Palin and change the way a lot of people regard Clinton. The conventional wisdom is that she’d be a “risky” pick, however.

clare.malone: omg, I love Clinton palace intrigue. Clinton reportedly met with Warren, and it seemed to be the kind of thing that was “you’re not getting the nod but let’s talk about your role going forward.”

micah: Warren excites the Bernie Sanders voters, she helps the ticket feel less “Secretary of the status quo,” (to borrow Pence’s wonderful turn of phrase). Warren emphasizes the historic nature of Clinton’s candidacy and helps defend against Trump’s more populist, Wall Street-themed attacks, which I tend to think are among his most effective against Clinton.

natesilver: Well, look, that’s clearly what they want us to think, Clare. They clearly want us to think it’s Vilsack or Kaine. Which is probably how they’d play it if it actually was Warren. They wouldn’t want us to know it was Warren.


More here:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-should-trump-respond-to-the-cruz-craziness/

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
41. I Don't Care. No one really cares about a VP pick....unless
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:15 PM
Jul 2016

It is as hideous and short-sighted as Sarah Palin.

John McCain had already had the old white man vote sewed up. Getting them horned up was....well

JanMichael

(24,889 posts)
47. One more thought - 4 or 8 years from now who could take the reigns?
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jul 2016

Any good candidate under 50????

Or at least any good candidates under 50 that have not recent burned their own bridge by breaking a simple fucking rule?

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
48. If she wants to blow the doors off the barn after Trump's speech last night...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jul 2016

...it will be Warren.

I watched the Tampa rally this evening. It was a calm, measured, reasonable response to the ramblings of a lunatic. Now she should pull the pin on the grenade, yell "FIRE IN THE HOLE," and announce Warren.

She's Trump's worst nightmare, next to Clinton herself.

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