Imagine a World Without Muslims

[IronLionZion]

Islamophobe On Tumblr Gets Completely Owned

https://www.good.is/articles/islamophobe-schooled-on-tumblr

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Recent terrorist attacks in France, Turkey, and the U.S. have stoked the flames of Islamophobia throughout the West. And nowhere was it been more apparent than last night at the Republican National Convention when former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich went on an anti-Muslim rant where he claimed there were 16 million ISIS supporters in Pakistan. With fiery racist rhetoric coming out of a major political party, it’s not shocking that Islamophobes are becoming more comfortable spreading their hate in public.

Recently, a Tumblr user asked other users to “Imagine a world without Muslims” by posting the photo above. But what the user didn’t realize was that by blaming the actions of a few extremists on a population over 1.5 billion people he was setting himself up to get completely owned. Tumblr user whatpath responded to the racist meme with the most amazing list of Muslim achievements throughout history.

Yes, lets imagine a world WITHOUT MUSLIMS, shall we?

Without Muslims you wouldn’t have:

Coffee

Cameras

Experimental Physics

Chess

Soap

Shampoo

Perfume/spirits

Irrigation

Crank-shaft, internal combustion engine, valves, pistons

Combination locks

Architectural innovation (pointed arch -European Gothic cathedrals adopted this technique as it made the building much stronger, rose windows, dome buildings, round towers, etc.)

Surgical instruments

Anesthesia

Windmill

Treatment of Cowpox

Fountain pen

Numbering system

Algebra/Trigonometry

Modern Cryptology

3 course meal (soup, meat/fish, fruit/nuts)

Crystal glasses

Carpets

Checks

Gardens used for beauty and meditation instead of for herbs and kitchen.

University

Optics

Music

Toothbrush

Hospitals

Bathing

Quilting

Mariner’s Compass

Soft drinks

Pendulum

Braille

Cosmetics

Plastic surgery

Calligraphy

Manufacturing of paper and cloth

It was a Muslim who realized that light ENTERS our eyes, unlike the Greeks who thought we EMITTED rays, and so invented a camera from this discovery.

It was a Muslim who first tried to FLY in 852, even though it is the Wright Brothers who have taken the credit.

It was a Muslim by the name of Jabir ibn Hayyan who was known as the founder of modern Chemistry. He transformed alchemy into chemistry. He invented: distillation, purification, oxidation, evaporation, and filtration. He also discovered sulfuric and nitric acid.

It is a Muslim, by the name of Al-Jazari who is known as the father of robotics.

It was a Muslim who was the architect for Henry V’s castle.

It was a Muslim who invented hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes, a technique still used today.

It was a Muslim who actually discovered inoculation, not Jenner and Pasteur to treat cowpox. The West just brought it over from Turkey

It was Muslims who contributed much to mathematics like Algebra and Trigonometry, which was imported over to Europe 300 years later to Fibonnaci and the rest.

It was Muslims who discovered that the Earth was round 500 years before Galileo did.

The list goes on…

Imagine a world without racist shitheads like Steve King also

[Democat]

1. These type of lists are usually at least 50% made up

No matter which side is posting them.

[LanternWaste]

2. As are half the responses to them

As are half the responses to them.

[Adrahil]

21. Agreed, though there are inaccuracies on that list.

Both the Chinese and Egyptians made paper before Islam.

Likewise, LOTS of people were writing calligraphy before Islam.

But the points are well made, IMO.

[yeoman6987]

26. +1

[Nye Bevan]

3. Anesthesia?

Thomas Green Morton was Muslim?

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1676-24442009000400001&script=sci_arttext&tlng=en

[NightWatcher]

4. Silly list. Bathing? Because no one would've figured out washing the shit off us.

I prefer to imagine no religion.

[awoke_in_2003]

42. Well, Islam considers

the left hand dirty, as that is what they wipe with. Evidently, soap does not factor into the discussion.

[anoNY42]

5. But seriously,

apparently without Muslims we would have those two ugly buildings in the NYC skyline.

[Iggo]

10. Hmm...

[Adrahil]

22. Please consider deleting that.

Some folks here lost people they knew that day.

[Warren DeMontague]

43. What an obnoxious comment.

I remember watching people- human beings, with lives, families, children, loved ones- jumping out of the buildings, to their deaths, that day, to escape the smoke and flames.

I cannot say what I truly feel in response to your post, because it would be a violation of DU rules.

[Kurska]

6. "Irrigation"

Yeah ,okay.

Stupid list.

[Ace Rothstein]

7. Soap existed before Islam did.

Shampoo is from India.

Terrible list.

[IronLionZion]

8. Looks like the list is regional

they listed stuff that originated in North Africa, Middle East, South Asia, and other nearby areas

[linuxman]

9. That list is pretty much bullshit.

[Marr]

11. Optics?

Whoever made that list either can't distinguish the Middle East from Islam, or thinks 'Muslim' is a race. Ancient Egypt was not Muslim.

[Calculating]

12. Bogus list

Many of those would have come along anyway, or already existed.

[clarice]

13. Sorry... not buying a word of it. nt

[Dr. Strange]

14. Music? Really?

[Orrex]

34. Muslims recorded 2112 in 1056

[Dr. Strange]

46. Mark my words...

your blasphemy against Neil Peart (may rhythm be upon him) will not stand!

[True Earthling]

15. The Intellectual Collapse of Islam..Islamic scholar declared mathematics evil in 11th century

Most of those accomplishments happened about 1,000 yrs ago...before an Islamic scholar named Hamid Al-Ghazali deemed Mathematics evil. In one proclamation the source of all phenomena was no longer based in nature and the need to investigate was no longer necessary...it was deemed the will of God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ghazali

His 11th century book titled The Incoherence of the Philosophers marks a major turn in Islamic epistemology. The encounter with skepticism led al-Ghazali to embrace a form of theological occasionalism, or the belief that all causal events and interactions are not the product of material conjunctions but rather the immediate and present Will of God.

The Incoherence also marked a turning point in Islamic philosophy in its vehement rejections of Aristotle and Plato. The book took aim at the falasifa, a loosely defined group of Islamic philosophers from the 8th through the 11th centuries (most notable among them Avicenna and Al-Farabi) who drew intellectually upon the Ancient Greeks.

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/why-the-arabic-world-turned-away-from-science

Today, however, the spirit of science in the Muslim world is as dry as the desert. Pakistani physicist Pervez Amirali Hoodbhoy laid out the grim statistics in a 2007 Physics Today article: Muslim countries have nine scientists, engineers, and technicians per thousand people, compared with a world average of forty-one. In these nations, there are approximately 1,800 universities, but only 312 of those universities have scholars who have published journal articles. Of the fifty most-published of these universities, twenty-six are in Turkey, nine are in Iran, three each are in Malaysia and Egypt, Pakistan has two, and Uganda, the U.A.E., Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Kuwait, Jordan, and Azerbaijan each have one.

[1939]

16. The caliphate was fatally weakend by this.

While the Muslims blame the Crusades for their downfall, there were four phenomena at play: the rising tide of anti-scientific Islamic fundamentalism, the conquest of the Arabic counties by the Turks, the European discoveries of the 16th century which bypassed Muslim monopoly of the Silk Route, and the amount of gold and silver being brought into Europe from the Americas which inflated prices and impoverished the Ottoman Empire (relative to Western Europe).

[True Earthling]

25. and as a result of Islamic anti-intellectualism...books and libraries were burned

The Decline of the Muslims

http://islam.hilmi.eu/the-decline-of-the-muslims/

The first university in the world was established in Cairo, the Azhar University in 970 AD, it was a centre of formal learning in all the known sciences and logic and philosophy, however as the Muslims changed their ideology, they shunned learning and burned most of the books.

In Muslim Spain the city Córdoba in 978 AD housed the biggest library in the world, having around 1 Million books, the city was a known as the example of the Islamic Golden Era, where all faiths lived peacefully, and society prospered with free public baths, library and open economy. Again as the Muslim views changed, science, reason and philosophy became a trait of the Non-Muslims, and the library was burned, philosophy was not taught anymore, all the gains in science and medicine was halted, the progress was keenly taken on by the Europeans who continued the work and overtook the Eastern cultures. The Islamic world never recovered.

[1939]

40. The Golden Horde, the Seljuk Turks, and the Ottoman Turks

ravaged the centers of learning in the Middle East.

[Taitertots]

17. A bigot wants a world without Muslims. A philosopher imagines a world without Islam

None of the things you cited were caused by Islam. All of the things they cited were caused by fundamentalist islam.

Without Islam, the WTC is still standing. Without billions of Muslims, they wouldn't exist in the first place.

[cherokeeprogressive]

18. Someone has never heard "Necessity is the Mother of Invention".

Aside from that... King can go fuck himself.

[malaise]

19. We wouldn't have the Taj Mahal either

Rec

[johnp3907]

44. You had me confused for a second.

?list=RDLjpIijRirUs

[malaise]

45. ROFL

Literally

[melm00se]

20. just a few

Gardens used for beauty and meditation instead of for herbs and kitchen - tough one but ever heard of the Hanging Gardens of Babylon?

University - 1st recognized university in Italy

Optics- ancient Egypt

Music – instruments created in many cultures through history

Toothbrush - Babylonia (3000+BC)

Hospitals many cultures through history

Quilting- Ancient Egypt

Mariner’s Compass - Song Dynasty

Pendulum - 1st century China

Braille - 19th century France

Cosmetics - used by ancient Egyptians

Plastic surgery origins of reconstructive surgery: 3000BC to 600BC

these alone raise the call of "bullshit"

[JustinL]

23. imagine modern physics without the contriubutions of Abdus Salam n/t

[melman]

24. Chess?

Nope.

[1939]

41. I believe the Persians (Iran) invented chess

before they were conquered and converted from Zoroastrianism to Islam.

[Major Nikon]

27. Let's pretend for a moment that an adherent to Islam developed all of these things

Must we also pretend that absent religion they wouldn't have done so anyway, or nobody else would have independently discovered them?

[LuvNewcastle]

35. Exactly. Islam the religion was not a

necessary ingredient in the creation of any of those things.

[Major Nikon]

37. If one wanted to take this one step farther...

Imagine what would have been developed absent all religious interference with intellectualism.

[LuvNewcastle]

39. Yes.

That's the more pertinent question to ask. I'd like to see a list of what scientific advances we have today that we wouldn't have without the influence of organized religion.

[Marr]

36. Yes, it's a bit like Christianity claiming the work of Copernicus and Galileo.

They made their discoveries in spite of the prevailing religion, not because of it.

[MariaThinks]

28. humans invented those items - it wasn't islam.

and the list is probably bogus.

when is it phobic to recognize what is really happening in the world?

[Uponthegears]

29. Can someone explain

The desperation among SOME here to denigrate Muslims at every turn? With the jailing and neutering of gay men an event which occurred in Christian dominated countries like the US and the UK within many of our lifetimes. With workplace coercion of women being much the same. I find it hard to believe that Islamic sexism and homophobia can explain all of this hatred. What else could be behind it?

[NuclearDem]

30. That list (and the whole article, really) lacks a lot of nuance.

It's not necessarily true that Islam itself was responsible for the Islamic Golden Age. The unification of the Middle East, North Africa, Persia, and Central Asia allowed information to flow freely, and a number of classical texts from the West that had been saved from Rome and Greece were translated into Arabic in Baghdad.

You can certainly credit Islam for a certain style of calligraphy, minarets, and the geometric art style of the time, because those were directly a result of the call to prayer and the Islamic ban on idolatry.

[Uponthegears]

31. Just like what

Was behind the Renaissance?

[NuclearDem]

32. Yep. Fall of Constantinople to the Turks and the return of Western learning to Rome.

(With some improvements courtesy of Baghdad)

[treestar]

33. I don't think the list is necessary

but that photo with that wording is a very cheap shot at all Muslims for the acts of a few.

[Initech]

38. Imagine a world without guns and explosives.