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Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:10 PM Jul 2016

Wasserman-Schultz: Is Anything Really Changing?


Before the convention and during the campaign, Wasserman-Schultz worked to promote Hillary's campaign, and she will continue to do so until the nomination is formalized. Then, at the end of the convention she resigns from the DNC, and per Hillary's statement today she will become "honorary chair" of her 50-sfate strategy. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/statements/2016/07/24/hillary-clinton-statement-on-the-resignation-of-democratic-national-committee-chair-debbie-wasserman-schultz/

So Wasserman-Schultz's support for Hillary goes from subtle/denied (supply your own adjectives here) to open and honorary.

What is really going to change? Little or nothing with respect to Hillary. Some, if you consider the non-campaign aspects of being DNC chair. It doesn't seem like Wasserman-Schultz will be "gone" -- because usually there is a gap, hiatus or "time out" before a return to public life. That will not happen here.

I'm more troubled by Hillary's follow-up hiring, than by the "damn emails" in this context. How does such a honorary position promote unity??? Do you think the hiring promotes unity? Vote below.


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Naming Wasserman honorary chair in Clinton campaign makes unity harder
21 (78%)
Naming Wasserman honorary chair in Clinton campaign makes unity EASIER
0 (0%)
Making Wasserman honorary chair in Clinton campaign has no effect on unity
4 (15%)
Other (specify below)
2 (7%)
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Wasserman-Schultz: Is Anything Really Changing? (Original Post) Land Shark Jul 2016 OP
NOTHING will make the hardliners happy. That's my conclusion. They're after Donna Brazile now. Metric System Jul 2016 #1
Maybe. But the hiring seems to transform a unity-helping event into a unity-defeating event. Land Shark Jul 2016 #4
Dunno, public flogging might do it. Sorry to hear mob's going after Brazile emulatorloo Jul 2016 #14
They want Bernie nominated Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2016 #60
I think we should just write off the extreme leftists making an issue of this and pivot right. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #2
"Pivot right". Seriously? nt DLevine Jul 2016 #6
Extreme leftists said "We won't vote unless DWS goes" MohRokTah Jul 2016 #8
While there are huge numbers of Independents, the # of votes truly on the fence is much tinker Land Shark Jul 2016 #12
REliabiulity is the factor. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #16
If that were a standard you would have to jettison any attempt to capture the center Land Shark Jul 2016 #24
History has proved time and again,... MohRokTah Jul 2016 #26
Maybe. But the far left only describes a small slice of that campaign but Land Shark Jul 2016 #27
Then it is my opinion that what constitutes "extreme left" to you is skewed from reality. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #30
I've met lots of folks in the Bernie campaign at the caucuses and convention Land Shark Jul 2016 #33
What extreme leftist do you speak of? Exilednight Jul 2016 #62
I choked on "pivot right" as well. Land Shark Jul 2016 #10
Lesson learned: Acting legislators should NOT run the DNC. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2016 #3
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #5
Trumps thanks you for your support. Takket Jul 2016 #9
OUCH! MohRokTah Jul 2016 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #18
Bizarre, because Sanders positions are the opposite of Trump's positions. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #19
Dont be shortsighted or reckless Jemmons Jul 2016 #35
So I have to pretend Bernie's policies are the same as Trump's? emulatorloo Jul 2016 #37
No - you just have to not shot yourself in either foot. nt. Jemmons Jul 2016 #40
Perhaps I'm over-sensitive to those who claim to support Bernie but appear not to care about emulatorloo Jul 2016 #45
Im just pointing out a bit of information about human nature Jemmons Jul 2016 #54
No, you said youo WOULDN'T vote for Hillary MohRokTah Jul 2016 #20
Millions more voted for Hillary. Metric System Jul 2016 #13
"per Hillary's statement today she will become "honorary chair" of her 50-state strategy" Takket Jul 2016 #7
"You OWE me. Big Time. Remember that. You OWE me." cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #46
Kaine started moving away from the 50 state strategy genna Jul 2016 #47
for some people nothing will ever be enough nt msongs Jul 2016 #15
Why should Clinton waste time trying to appease the people NuclearDem Jul 2016 #17
She needs to leave today, not after she rubs it in Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #25
Because she wants to be a president of ALL people, and can't just serve one slice Land Shark Jul 2016 #28
In general 'Honorary Position' = no power, no influence, no nothing. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #48
Hasn't Hillary been fund raising for 50 state effort? suffragette Jul 2016 #58
I agree. Scurrilous Jul 2016 #29
More of the same Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #21
I am not in the least bit surprised XemaSab Jul 2016 #22
Other - I think realistically, Yo_Mama Jul 2016 #23
Interesting. But the resignation is NOT something Clinton can say she conceded or acquiesced to Land Shark Jul 2016 #31
You know, Land Shark, putting up a poll like this is what makes unity harder. PatrickforO Jul 2016 #32
Realizing the implications of this doesn't help unity Land Shark Jul 2016 #34
The issue is not "getting behind Hillary" Land Shark Jul 2016 #38
Unity is not conformity genna Jul 2016 #51
Realistically it changed the narrative about the RNC being incompetent plagiarists HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #36
But I think it will sadly have the opposite effect. Wasserman chairs, speaks, then honorary chair. Land Shark Jul 2016 #39
If true, comments about how DWS threatened to embarrass Obama HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #42
You forgot "Clinton won...Deal." Darb Jul 2016 #41
We're talking about winning unity. I thought that was sealed with resig, but not anymore Land Shark Jul 2016 #44
Go ahead, Darb Jul 2016 #49
So far the poll proves my fear: Hon. Chair changes resignation from unity-promoting to unity defeati Land Shark Jul 2016 #43
Really? A DU poll? Darb Jul 2016 #50
I agree with what you say Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #53
Unity means suspending all belief and ignoring facts now, right? elehhhhna Jul 2016 #52
meh.... Red Mountain Jul 2016 #55
One can vote for Hillary and support party with $ etc, or not do anything bUT vote. Big difference Land Shark Jul 2016 #56
Exactly XemaSab Jul 2016 #57
I don't care if she's named honorary poobah of Narnia. Doesnt matter. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #59
If this is Hillary's idea of uniting the Democratic party, we're screwed! B Calm Jul 2016 #61

emulatorloo

(45,121 posts)
14. Dunno, public flogging might do it. Sorry to hear mob's going after Brazile
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jul 2016

I'm happy that DWS has resigned, I always felt someone else could do a better job.

That being said, don't understand folks who can't take "Yes" for an answer. People wanted her gone, and she's gone. People asked for her to resign and she did. Dunno why this is not enough for some DU'ers.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,629 posts)
60. They want Bernie nominated
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 06:59 AM
Jul 2016

Sure, the DNC gave they Cornell West on the platform committee (after which he promptly endorsed the Green Party candidate for POTUS), the DNC agreed to a commission to discuss Superdelagates, and now they've given them the head of DWS, who is going to be out of a job after this election anyway. All that's left now is for the DNC to crown Bernie the nominee because a few people within the DNC didn't like him.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
2. I think we should just write off the extreme leftists making an issue of this and pivot right.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jul 2016

They've proved their unreliability after being given their pound of flesh now that they are demanding more.

It's not worth it when there are millions in the middle who reliably vote every election, and we'll need those votes come 2018, so just throw the miscreants overboard and move on.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
8. Extreme leftists said "We won't vote unless DWS goes"
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:18 PM
Jul 2016

DWS goes and now they demand more.

Only choice left is pivot right and forget them because they are simply not worth it.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
16. REliabiulity is the factor.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jul 2016

If you cannot count on a demographic, you must jettison any attempts for their support and spend your resources where it really makes a difference.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
24. If that were a standard you would have to jettison any attempt to capture the center
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jul 2016

The center is fickle, probably more fickle than the Left.

What I think a couple in this thread are onto is that there is a mood for a party shift or split, i.e. "pivot right" and forget the Left. Agreed?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
26. History has proved time and again,...
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:30 PM
Jul 2016

the center is far easier to pickup than an extreme left that has already declared it will not support the candidate.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
27. Maybe. But the far left only describes a small slice of that campaign but
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:32 PM
Jul 2016

This move announced by Hillary will tend to rankled all Bernie supporters, not just the far left.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
33. I've met lots of folks in the Bernie campaign at the caucuses and convention
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:42 PM
Jul 2016

And your diagnosis of them as all being far left is both off, and reminds me of how Fox news refers to all Democrats, so it may not be the most descriptive or accurate term to use for anyone

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
62. What extreme leftist do you speak of?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 07:15 AM
Jul 2016

I mean seriously, where are the Marzist, Trotsky and Maoists?

They may exist in very very minute numbers, but I haven't seen one in the MSM, liberal media, or even the conservative media. Unlike on the right where gun lovers and KKK VB types regularly make primetime, we have no such version on the left.

DinahMoeHum

(22,011 posts)
3. Lesson learned: Acting legislators should NOT run the DNC. . .
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:16 PM
Jul 2016

. . .former legislators would be OK, though. or better yet, campaign strategists who are not currently working for a candidate.

As I see it, this is now a full-time job.

DWS was essentially serving two masters: the Democratic Party apparatus and her own constituency. If you try to do both at the same time, you won't do either one well.



Response to Land Shark (Original post)

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
11. OUCH!
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:20 PM
Jul 2016

You probably should have read the TOS instead of just clicking through because that is probably your last post here.

Response to MohRokTah (Reply #11)

emulatorloo

(45,121 posts)
19. Bizarre, because Sanders positions are the opposite of Trump's positions.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:26 PM
Jul 2016

So if you are seriously tempted, you don't give a shit about progressive policy.

Jemmons

(711 posts)
35. Dont be shortsighted or reckless
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jul 2016

There is a well knows psychology experiment where they split people into two groups: Members from each group plays a cooperative game together with someone from the other group. But there is an uneven distribution of power, such that people in one group can be unfair to their partner from the other group at no cost to themselves. People in the weak group can punish this behavior, but only at a cost in virtual money.

When they ran the experiment they found that people will suck up a certain level of unfairness, but beyond that, most people are happy to pay a price for the privilege of punishing unfairness.

I think that disregarding this understanding of human behavior is shortsighted and stupid.

emulatorloo

(45,121 posts)
37. So I have to pretend Bernie's policies are the same as Trump's?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:48 PM
Jul 2016

Ok, even though there is no overlap AT ALL between the predatory racist capitalist and the democratic socialist, I will do my best to pretend they are the same if that's what it takes to be 'fair'

thanks for explaining the rules.

emulatorloo

(45,121 posts)
45. Perhaps I'm over-sensitive to those who claim to support Bernie but appear not to care about
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jul 2016

about what Bernie is fighting for.

Have a nice evening.

Jemmons

(711 posts)
54. Im just pointing out a bit of information about human nature
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jul 2016

I think it applies to a lot of the tension between the left wing of the party and the Clinton camp.

The real issue is to make sure that ordinary people can finally see some opportunity and some real progress.

Takket

(22,112 posts)
7. "per Hillary's statement today she will become "honorary chair" of her 50-state strategy"
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:18 PM
Jul 2016

With all due respect to Hillary, that is insanity. DWS has had a 0 state strategy that has seen the GOP massacre Dem candidates in every place except the oval office. While Obama has been in the white house we've lost the House, the Senate, and governorship and state legislatures across the country.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
46. "You OWE me. Big Time. Remember that. You OWE me."
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jul 2016

Given all the seats DWS has lost in all the different places, it seems there has to be a quid pro quo somewhere that's attached to her performance in this presidential primary.

genna

(1,945 posts)
47. Kaine started moving away from the 50 state strategy
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jul 2016

DWS should not be credited with that brilliant strategy: he who has should receive more and the state parties that don't should go without resources. It also helps you notice those qualities in those elected from more reliably democratic localities.

The consequences should be obvious throughout state and local elected officials.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
17. Why should Clinton waste time trying to appease the people
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jul 2016

who are never going to vote for her anyway?

DWS stepped down, and the continued whining and complaining out of the people who kept demanding it proves they're just looking for things to be upset about. Fuck it.

emulatorloo

(45,121 posts)
48. In general 'Honorary Position' = no power, no influence, no nothing.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:04 PM
Jul 2016

So to me it seems like too insignificant a thing to get bent out of shape over.

DWS had been humiliated, she's resigned, she no longer has the actual power of head of the DNC.

You/we got what we wanted.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
58. Hasn't Hillary been fund raising for 50 state effort?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:06 PM
Jul 2016

I think it's important for Clinton to support down ticket races for Democrats.

I also think there are much better and less divisive people than DWS to head such an effort.

In my district, McDermott retired and he was very progressive. We have a top two system, so this will be Democrats vying against each other for the seat. I would not like to see DWS intervene here since her track record is not supportive of the more progressive candidates.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
22. I am not in the least bit surprised
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jul 2016

And of course it makes "unity" harder to put someone who worked to throw an election on your campaign staff.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
23. Other - I think realistically,
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jul 2016

naming her to the Clinton campaign post will BOTH piss off some people and preserve her influence where it is useful in the campaign.

In the long run, unity will best be served by winning the presidency. I realize this probably feels like a slap in the face to some, but I think it's necessary to back off and look at the big picture.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
31. Interesting. But the resignation is NOT something Clinton can say she conceded or acquiesced to
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jul 2016

When she is doing all in her power to keep her as prominent as possible. If she hadn't hired h3r, then she could claim the Bernie folks got the head of Wasserman-Schultz, but they didnt. Hillary got her as head, and got her back....

PatrickforO

(14,677 posts)
32. You know, Land Shark, putting up a poll like this is what makes unity harder.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jul 2016

I supported Bernie just as hard as you did, and love him just as much. But you have to admit this election is different.

If the Repubs were running somebody like Ryan or Romney, as odious as those guys are, the world wouldn't fall apart if they got elected. But Trump?

NO.

NO.

NO!

We cannot let Trump anywhere near the White House, because life as we know it might REALLY fall apart of he gets hold of the nuclear football. Look what's going in with all the racism and threats to start 'registering' people? And a fucking wall???

You want that?

For now, we need to get behind Clinton, and then hold her feet to the fire for stuff we want. Get some Social Democrats in the local Dem political apparatus. Just like the crazy right did starting back in 82. And look what they achieved. They've stopped the government from doing anything pretty much. It's up to us to inject some sanity.

But, if Trump gets elected because we don't get behind Clinton, we've basically shot ourselves in the foot. That's why I'm respectfully suggesting things like this poll might be an unnecessary poke at the Dem party establishment, and right now we need to be supporting them even if they are a bit too far right for our tastes.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
34. Realizing the implications of this doesn't help unity
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jul 2016

I'm flattered you think I might impact people but I really think they would all figure this out for themselves. We just look to DU for breaking news and cutting edge thoughts (some good some bad)

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
38. The issue is not "getting behind Hillary"
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:48 PM
Jul 2016

It's the question of telling a friend they did something wrong (that doesn't help unity) but you support them anyway. If there is no feedback system, things get crazier

genna

(1,945 posts)
51. Unity is not conformity
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jul 2016

The poll could go either way.

By clearly defining the party line one way we are in danger of creating the bubble the Republicans had in 2012. The polling tells us how tight the race is especially considering how crazy Trump is.

Do we really benefit by not resolving this issue before fighting Trump?

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
36. Realistically it changed the narrative about the RNC being incompetent plagiarists
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:48 PM
Jul 2016

because it opened up the reply that the DNC was a bunch of untrustworthy cheats.

Getting this out of the news is important. I expect giving DWS some cover as honorary chair of the campaign was negotiated in order to get a quick resignation and to try to get it out of the news ASAP.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
39. But I think it will sadly have the opposite effect. Wasserman chairs, speaks, then honorary chair.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jul 2016

It keeps it in the news, actually.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
42. If true, comments about how DWS threatened to embarrass Obama
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jul 2016

by calling him anti-woman and anti-Semitic when DWS thought he wanted a new DNC chair

It's reasonable to think that giving DWS some cover was important to getting the resignation.

Being an honorary chair may not mean much.

In weeks DWS may have nothing to do but try to get re-elected.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
49. Go ahead,
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jul 2016

vote for Rump. Or don't vote. It makes no difference. Most people, like, just about all people, don't give a flying fuck about DWS. Really. There will be no President Rump, no matter how hard you try.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
43. So far the poll proves my fear: Hon. Chair changes resignation from unity-promoting to unity defeati
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jul 2016

Which is why I had an omg moment whEN I first read it, and had to get and link to the original source. We're at 18 saying makes unity harder, 4 for no effect and 5 "other" right now

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
53. I agree with what you say
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jul 2016

So many are tone deaf and still are saying we won shut the F up. Party unity, lol

Red Mountain

(1,780 posts)
55. meh....
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jul 2016

I don't think it will have much of an effect on 'unity' if that's what you want to call it.

Democratic voters will vote for Hillary. To do otherwise would be insanity.

After the election, however........

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
57. Exactly
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:22 PM
Jul 2016

And if people who would otherwise be enthusiastic dems are like "Meh, time to go pull the lever for Hill," how many voters are going to be like "Meh, time to go organize my shoe collection?"

Lack of enthusiasm, like shit, rolls downhill.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
59. I don't care if she's named honorary poobah of Narnia. Doesnt matter.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 06:43 AM
Jul 2016

She should not be representing our party in an official capacity (namely, DNC chair), and that's done. Beyond that, I'll be perfectly happy if she also loses her primary election to a different Democrat, someone who isn't a hard core cannabis prohibitionist.

But Hillary values loyalty, so I don't really care if she's on her campaign.

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