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Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:30 PM

 

This all felt sort of familiar, then I remember why ...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/23/preston.puma/

Wed July 23, 2008
Preston on Politics: PUMAs stalking Obama


Why are they angry? It all depends on whom you ask. Some of the PUMAs accuse Democratic leaders of rigging the primaries to favor Sen. Barack Obama, while others feel that he is not qualified to be the party nominee, let alone competent enough to lead the country.

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Even though Sen. Hillary Clinton conceded the Democratic presidential nomination to Obama in early June and urged all of her supporters to vote for him, not all of her backers heeded the call. Hence, the beginning of the PUMA movement.

"What we are really organizing about is to reinitiate Hillary back into the presidential race," Mann said during a recent interview at a Washington bar, where she met with fellow PUMAs for kinship and to strategize about how to make Clinton the Democratic nominee.

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If PUMAs are unsuccessful in preventing Obama from getting the nomination, what will they do? Bower and Mann said they would cross party lines and vote for McCain; Navot noted she might write in Clinton's name or not vote at all. Tarpley said he would turn his gaze towards Green Party nominee Cynthia McKinney, Libertarian Party nominee Bob Barr or independent candidate Ralph Nader.





http://www.salon.com/2008/06/23/pumas/

Why Clinton voters say they won’t support Obama
The attack of the PUMAs, or a dozen reasons why Clinton voters are still too angry to come home.


But why do you keep hearing all these stories about grumpy old ladies still hung up on Hillary Clinton, the ones who’re threatening to make a scene at the Democratic convention in Denver, or vote for John McCain in November?

To be fair, it’s not just women. There are plenty of Clinton supporters of every demographic description who are still ticked. But yes, it’s true that the Clinton base skewed female, and that women over 30 are the most vocal of the malcontents. Some of them are calling themselves “PUMAs” (as in “Party Unity My Ass”), an acronym that makes them sound, appropriately enough, like cougars in a very bad mood. Who are these women, and why are they such buzzkills?

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1. They are angry because their candidate lost a close contest. This is just simple human math, and it happens after every primary showdown. Remember that it took some Deaniacs months to come around to John Kerry in 2004. It’s just that most years, the contests haven’t also been identity-politics duels between two underrepresented social groups vying for a chance at a political position that has always been denied them.

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As many people have already observed: What are they going to do, vote for John McCain?

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Reply This all felt sort of familiar, then I remember why ... (Original post)
Scuba Jul 2016 OP
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #1
Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #6
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #17
Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #20
LanternWaste Jul 2016 #2
sarae Jul 2016 #3
Scuba Jul 2016 #4
sarae Jul 2016 #5
Scuba Jul 2016 #7
sarae Jul 2016 #8
Scuba Jul 2016 #9
sarae Jul 2016 #10
Scuba Jul 2016 #12
Iggo Jul 2016 #14
sarae Jul 2016 #36
Skittles Jul 2016 #38
Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #13
Scuba Jul 2016 #15
Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #16
Scuba Jul 2016 #22
joshcryer Jul 2016 #25
malaise Jul 2016 #18
joshcryer Jul 2016 #24
Scuba Jul 2016 #26
LisaM Jul 2016 #30
joshcryer Jul 2016 #31
still_one Jul 2016 #34
joshcryer Jul 2016 #37
Press Virginia Jul 2016 #11
Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #21
PatSeg Jul 2016 #19
joshcryer Jul 2016 #23
JoePhilly Jul 2016 #27
joshcryer Jul 2016 #33
Skittles Jul 2016 #39
JI7 Jul 2016 #40
MFM008 Jul 2016 #28
JI7 Jul 2016 #29
Justice Jul 2016 #32
gwheezie Jul 2016 #35

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:44 PM

6. LOL

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:16 PM

17. I self-deleted because I really shouldn't have written that ...

 

regardless of its truth.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #17)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:20 PM

20. Damn, I was too late! LOL!

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:38 PM

2. I guess if it feels familiar, that's all that's required to justify one's own actions.

 

I guess if it feels familiar, that's all that's required to justify one's own actions.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:38 PM

3. Not all Hillary supporters were PUMAs in '08

What are you trying to say, that we deserve this?

Though it's irrelevant, I was an Obama supporter. And I've never held the party hostage because they didn't vote for my candidate.

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Response to sarae (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:39 PM

4. And not all Bernie supporters are Bernie-or-Busters. And this is run-of-the-mill convention stuff.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:43 PM

5. When did anyone say every Bernie supporter is like this?

I've certainly never said that.

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Response to sarae (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:44 PM

7. When did anyone say all Hillary supporters were PUMA's?

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:45 PM

8. So why did you post your OP then?

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Response to sarae (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:47 PM

9. Because today's convention feels a lot like 2008.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:49 PM

10. Ok. Well, I hope the outcome is the same as it was in '08.

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Response to sarae (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:51 PM

12. Wouldn't that be great?

 

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Response to sarae (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:07 PM

14. Nah, two terms is all he gets.

(Take it easy. I know what you meant... )

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Response to Iggo (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 07:17 PM

36. ...

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Response to Scuba (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:55 PM

38. gawd

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Response to Scuba (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:06 PM

13. Why so defensive all of a sudden? Nobody said what you're implying they did. But you know that.

 

There is a rabid, unhinged faction of his erstwhle "followers" who are dead set on disrupting this convention and discrediting the Dem ticket.

And, I'm sorry, but your contention that this is just "convention business as usual" is pure, ordorous bullshit.

"LOCK HER UP" and "HILLARY FOR PRISON" are NOT your average convention slogan.

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:08 PM

15. I didn't imply anyone said anything. I've seen no reports of "lock her up" nor "Hillary for prison"

 

Sorry if my posts weren't clear.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:13 PM

16. "I've seen no reports of "lock her up" nor "Hillary for prison""

 

Then you haven't been paying very close attention.

Chants and t-shirts with these exact slogans were seen and heard in the streets and at some delegate caucuses earlier this morning.

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:59 PM

22. I'very since seen a twitter video of "lock her up." That person should be ejected.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:04 PM

25. Oh you can believe there will be ejections.

This behavior is unbecoming of a national delegate to the convention.

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:19 PM

18. Then you miss the point of the OP

This is hardly new.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:02 PM

24. Clinton's people never booed Obama at the convention.

You are making shit up.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #24)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:04 PM

26. Never said they did.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:07 PM

30. You certainly implied it.

Your statement that something seems familiar - made today - certainly implied that the Hillary supporters acted like this at the 2008 convention.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:13 PM

31. "Today's convention feels a lot like '08"

Nothing like today happened in 2008. Clinton was meeting with her delegates, working on getting women appointed to the chair, and negotiating for a roll call speech (which she could have used to create utter and complete chaos since she lost by a mere 62 pledged delegates).

Oh and she released her delegates the night before.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #24)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:24 PM

34. and Hillary people are NOT booing at the mention of Bernie's name

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Response to still_one (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:00 PM

37. Clinton supporters didn't boo Obama in 2008.

But Obama supporters booed her back then when Obama defended her.

Those same 2008 Obama supporters turned their backs against Obama literately a week after his inauguration.

Just like Obama supporters Sanders supporters support is a mile wide and an inch deep. Turncoats the lot of them.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:49 PM

11. Yeah but that was then.

 

Now it's get in line or you'll be the reason the world ends

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:23 PM

21. Whatever floats your life preserver. Here's some good advice from Fleetwood Mac:

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:20 PM

19. Ah the memories!

I'm sure this time feels different, while we are in the middle of it, but many aspects are similar.

Of course having a republican nominee like Trump is unprecedented.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:01 PM

23. Clinton got her people to fall in line real fucking quick.

It seems because her supporters actually respected her.

Unlike Sanders supporters who are throwing him under the bus.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #23)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:06 PM

27. Too many of them never really supported him.

They supported the fact that he ran against Hillary.

Nothing more.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:18 PM

33. Yep.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:57 PM

39. yup

I suspected a lot of Feel the Bern was actually Feel the Hillary Hatred

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:42 PM

40. yup, it could have been Warren or anyone else

they would be behaving the same.

too bad this less than 10 percent is drowning out the 80+ percent that is supporting Bernie and the Dem party.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:06 PM

28. I dont know how it feels familiar

It didnt fucking happen to OBAMA.
NONE BOOED HIS CONVENTION.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:07 PM

29. i don't remember dean and ClinTon people behaving like trump scum

at the convention.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:15 PM

32. NOT FAMILIAR AT ALL.


Hillary's supporters were united behind Obama at the convention. No roll call. Threw her support to him and her delegates to him.
Understood the bigger goal. Humble and smart enough to focus on the good of the country.

THAT is not happening here.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:40 PM

35. What 08 convention did you see?

I remember a few Hillary supporters on the internet losing their damn minds but I didn't see it at the convention.

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