Why do "people" say Immigrants(hispanics) are taking jobs from Black People ?

[JI7]

i'm watching CNN discuss Trump's speech and one of the things that came up was the thing people always say about how illegal immigrants hurt african americans the most.

we know what type of jobs they are talking about so it's just assumed that without hispanics those jobs should be done by black people ?

i'm so fucking tired of these racist assholes spewing their shit with fake concern for minorities . i wish people would call out their bs.

why don't they ever discuss asian americans who vote for democrats in even larger numbers than hispanics ?

because it goes against the bs about POC being fools and not succeeding because of dem policy ?

[elleng]

1. Us vs Them, Us vs Them, Us vs Them

Us vs Them, Us vs Them, Us vs Them
Us vs Them, Us vs Them, Us vs Them
Us vs Them, Us vs Them, Us vs Them
Us vs Them, Us vs Them, Us vs Them

[underpants]

2. The entire food industry. Rely on immigramnt labor that stays quiet and won't organize.

The industries determine everything.

[JI7]

5. but why is it assumed these jobs would or should be done by black people if not for immigrants ?

[Igel]

6. I don't see "should", except in a "people should have a job" sense.

Not in a "these are jobs that blacks should do" sense.

http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpsee_e16.htm
This is a population survey.

Note that pretty much straight across the board Latino unemployment is lower than black unemployment. Most of those jobs aren't highly skilled or white collar.

Now take away illegal immigration. Would anybody do those jobs? Probably the jobs would still exist. Those minimum-wage workers don't exactly create all that much demand for services and goods--they spend their money, but mostly on things lke food (often raw, often imported) and shelter. There's a lot of assumption that a $ of spending is a dollar of spending, all are equal. Remittances to Latin America (inc. Caribbean, but that's mostly remittances to the Dominican Republic) topped $63 billion last year.

Many of the jobs are field workers. But a lot of other jobs are construction, service, low-skilled jobs.

[dembotoz]

3. remember the old days of transactional analysis....the game lets you and him fight

sums things up rather well

[Avalux]

4. Divide and conquer.

Keep them fighting each other and they won't band together to go after the common enemy.

[astral]

7. Illegal immigrants = Hispanics?

Where do you get that everyone pouring across the border illegally is about racism, or a single homogeneous race? Does this really boil down to those who believe we should guard our borders for national security and those who believe we should have no borders at all, and free health care for everyone who comes here to boot? What about food and shelter and showers and toilets first, and free health care second? It doesn't look like that even meeting anyone's basic survival needs can happen, here, not the way things have already become.

I think the rest of the world has figured out the United States is no longer the 'land of milk and honey' for everyone who arrives here. There are plenty of homeless destitute people here who were born here and have no birthright for our government to take care of them, or even give them a leg up. And let me remind you, when you are homeless it is much harder to get a job. Who gets help and who does NOT get help here in the United States does not make a lick of sense to me.

'Vetting' people who come across the border is not some evil racist ethnophobic idea that has to be eradicated, however, that is exactly what has happened. And as a nation we are going to get what we are going to get.

People here in the USA are deluded that lives matter here and we all have some basic human rights.

That may be as it should be, but that is not how it is. Wake up and smell the coffee. Our nation is sinking. The question is now can we change it. If we keep going the same direction we are headed, NO WE CAN'T.

[pampango]

8. It's a good way for anti-immigrants bigots on the right to pretend they are pro-AA, which

of course is the opposite of the truth, while promoting their "US vs THEM" yuuuuuge wall.

What they do not address is the solution - other than a WALL and mass deportation which fit their conservative mentality. Making the 'illegal' immigrants 'legal' would eliminate the 'exploitablility' of these people by making them subject to the same labor laws as everyone else.

Of course, removing their 'exploitablity' is not something that the employer-class wants to see happen so the GOP instead promotes pie-in-the-sky, bigotry-based WALLS and trainloads of deportees. It's a WIN-WIN for the GOP. They promote fear (always an effective election tactic) while keeping their exploitable labor forever.

[treestar]

9. And they are overlooking that

The AA people are citizens and thus have the protection of wage and hour laws. Undocumented people can't complain. Which explains why they get the jobs