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Lurker Deluxe

(1,036 posts)
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 01:35 PM Aug 2016

Any experience with 4K?

My television recently got popped by a lighting strike and needs to be replaced. The "old" one is a Vizio 60", 1080p and was a really nice display. I push the television through a system and use the Fire stick from Amazon for my streaming duties, and the AT&T box does the work for the pay TV. I use this system pretty much for movies (and sports when friends are over) other than that I use a smaller TV either in the kitchen or bedroom.

Looking at new ones there is not that much difference between the price of a 1080p or a 2160p or 4K display. Does anyone here have any experience with the newer 4K televisions and have an opinion on the value of them?

I am looking at:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-60-class-60-diag--led-2160p-smart-4k-ultra-hd-home-theater-display-black/4989400.p?id=bb4989400&skuId=4989400

Or:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-60-class-60-diag--led-1080p-smart-hdtv-black/5412152.p?id=1219650465773&skuId=5412152&productCategoryId=abcat0101001

Anyone??

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Any experience with 4K? (Original Post) Lurker Deluxe Aug 2016 OP
They both look the same on my monitor. Orrex Aug 2016 #1
There's not a heck of a lot of 4K shows yet. backscatter712 Aug 2016 #2
True - but if you're going to own that TV for very long it might be worth it csziggy Aug 2016 #6
I know from experience madokie Aug 2016 #17
I have a 4K PC monitor. Initech Aug 2016 #3
I work in the business and 4K for home is a long way off awake Aug 2016 #4
would tend to agree dembotoz Aug 2016 #14
Smart guy , on the money. Ellipsis Aug 2016 #16
Don't know, but this article says they're "still stupid" frazzled Aug 2016 #5
Well ... Lurker Deluxe Aug 2016 #22
Heh, didn't see that link frazzled Aug 2016 #27
4K is the end of the road and the industry are squeezing it for every cent they can get MohRokTah Aug 2016 #7
I love it. Not a ton of content yet, but what there is is fabulous. Iggo Aug 2016 #8
It's noticeably better, but few shows use it. Like when HD started, you need the content whatthehey Aug 2016 #9
That is the problem, very limited content. Some Netflix, and DirectTV. However, for DirectTV you still_one Aug 2016 #18
I Bought A 55" Samsung 4K TV And Am Very Happy With It.... global1 Aug 2016 #10
They have come down significantly in price. The problems are that standards are changing, and you still_one Aug 2016 #11
I love Costco ... Lurker Deluxe Aug 2016 #20
If you want extended coverage, Square Trade is a competitive option, in fact I believe Costco uses still_one Aug 2016 #34
The Vizio does not have a OTA Tuner MicaelS Aug 2016 #12
True Lurker Deluxe Aug 2016 #21
Samsung has a 4k BluRay player now. MicaelS Aug 2016 #33
We bought a 4k vizio 55 inch madokie Aug 2016 #13
I really wouldn't recommend buying one now. Xithras Aug 2016 #15
Think about it - 1 minute is about 32 GIG uncompressed. Ellipsis Aug 2016 #19
Modern hard drive arrays can do it. backscatter712 Aug 2016 #23
Now sure...but think about all the films they had to dump the data for Ellipsis Aug 2016 #24
True. We're talking a lot of hard drives. backscatter712 Aug 2016 #26
Amazon .... does it on the cheap Ellipsis Aug 2016 #28
Even in 1990, film was still a more efficient storage tech by volume than optical or hard drive spud_demon Aug 2016 #29
Compression dictates loss. Liniear has sucky accesss time. Ellipsis Aug 2016 #31
There really isn't a lot of 4K content except for sports broadcasts. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #25
I don't connect my TV directly to the antenna spud_demon Aug 2016 #30
I have a 4K HipChick Aug 2016 #32

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
2. There's not a heck of a lot of 4K shows yet.
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 01:38 PM
Aug 2016

You're getting four times the pixels, roughly, when you get a 4K TV, which will look super-pretty if you're using it to watch a 4K program. If it's standard HDTV, it'll simply scale it to fit the screen, which will look fine.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
6. True - but if you're going to own that TV for very long it might be worth it
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 01:47 PM
Aug 2016

If the price is not very much higher.

In 2008 when I was buying a new TV for my new house there were not very many 1080 HD programs out. The satellite system we were using didn't even have HD. But the price I got for the 1080 flat screen was not much more than for the equivalent 720 model.

Since then, almost every channel I watch has gone to HD. While my TV is now getting old, it still gives a good picture on those HD channels. There are some channels not available in 1080 and as you say it simply scales to fit the screen and they look fine.

The next TV I buy will be 4K so I will be ready when my TV service upgrades to 4K I will be ready.

Edited to add - I will buy the 4K IF and only IF the price is not a lot higher than the equivalent HD model.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
17. I know from experience
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 02:06 PM
Aug 2016

and the picture on the 4k is awesome even though the broadcast is only in 1080. We have a 55 inch 47 Vizio and a 47 vizio 1080 and there is no comparison in the quality of the picture. The 4k blows the 1080 out of the water. Our vizio has a Over the air tuner in it too so we can use the antenna when the satellite washes out. Trouble is the over the air washes out pretty much at the same time, but not all the time

Initech

(100,076 posts)
3. I have a 4K PC monitor.
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 01:40 PM
Aug 2016

It's great but it requires a lot of processing power to get the most out of it.

awake

(3,226 posts)
4. I work in the business and 4K for home is a long way off
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 01:42 PM
Aug 2016

4k is used in production but there is very little content for the home in 4K, HD content will look better on a HD tv than on a 4K tv were the content will be "upress" so the Samsung would be the one I suggest.

dembotoz

(16,805 posts)
14. would tend to agree
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 02:03 PM
Aug 2016

4k seems to be bleeding edge of tech beyond cutting edge

lack of content is a concern, a big concern

large investment with too little roi

Lurker Deluxe

(1,036 posts)
22. Well ...
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 02:50 PM
Aug 2016

Ironically, at the end of that article is a follow up by the same author called ...

http://www.cnet.com/news/4k-tvs-arent-stupid-anymore/

Good read though. A lot of good information.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
27. Heh, didn't see that link
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 03:37 PM
Aug 2016

As I said, I know nothing, was just googling around. As for me, personally, given the available content on television (we can barely find anything to watch anyway, and what we do watch is so junky it doesn't need to be brilliantly defined), I find our 1080 Sony just great. Movies and Netflix look as good as my old eyes need them to be.

I'm thinking that Stranger Things is just as scary and beautiful in 1080 as 4G at the moment!

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
7. 4K is the end of the road and the industry are squeezing it for every cent they can get
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 01:50 PM
Aug 2016

The human eye is pretty much incapable of discerning any better resolution than 4K, so this is it. It's been in movie theaters for years now. Netflix offers a 4K stream, if you have the bandwidth and spend the extra bucks.

Few titles are in 4K Blu-Ray format yet and few drives have been released yet.

There is nothing out for getting around 4K Blu-Ray DRM technology, which the studios love.

I expect three generations of 4K sets and 2 generations of players before the technology even begins to become ubiquitous in the home setting.

Iggo

(47,552 posts)
8. I love it. Not a ton of content yet, but what there is is fabulous.
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 01:52 PM
Aug 2016

We pay a little extra for the 4k on Netflix, and man, that shit pops!

still_one

(92,190 posts)
18. That is the problem, very limited content. Some Netflix, and DirectTV. However, for DirectTV you
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 02:07 PM
Aug 2016

need to sign up for the top two expensive plans, plus new equipment is required. You get three channels. One is free, and the other ones are PPV.

For Netflix you have to move up to their highest plan, around 12/month, and you need a minimum internet speed of 15 Mbps. So your internet provider will most likely require a higher cost.

Amazon has the same internet speed requirements. You can find free UHD/4K on Amazon Prime, or pay

Still pretty limited content. They are starting to come out with 4K BluRay players. The Xbox S1 includes a 4K player, but there have been a lot of compatibility issues out there. Samsung has a decent UHD BluRay player, the K8500, and more venders will be out this year, but the selection of available 4K blurry disks is still sparse. That should pick up more readily in 2017

global1

(25,248 posts)
10. I Bought A 55" Samsung 4K TV And Am Very Happy With It....
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 01:56 PM
Aug 2016

Samsung has great customer service and seems to be pushing the envelope on innovations. I have DirecTV and they offer some 4K programming. Great picture.

I bought into the 4K concept in preparation for the future. There is not a lot of 4K programming right now - but in the future it will be ubiquitous. Rather than having to buy another TV when 4K is the norm - I bought into the future with this TV.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
11. They have come down significantly in price. The problems are that standards are changing, and you
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 01:58 PM
Aug 2016

want to try and future proof you purchase as much as possible, though that is almost impossible.

The new 4Ks being pushed now are those that have HDR 10 enhancement. There is rumble of dolby vision, but it isn't here now.

The sets you linked do not have HDR, high dynamic range. The newer sets that Samsung offers utilize Quantum Dot Color.

The P-Series are the newest sets that Vizio offers

LG offers OLED technology, which is amazing, but very costly. The also offer standard LEDs at competitive prices.

Sony has a good line of good products also

Generally the best time to buy a television is in November, but good deals can be found at other times.

I would avoid online stores, and most major retailers, such as BestBuy will match or beat an online price from a legitimate dealer such as Amazon.

I would also check out Costco, VideoOnly(if you have a store nearby)

Here are some sites you can go to for ratings:

http://www.rtings.com

avsforums.com



Lurker Deluxe

(1,036 posts)
20. I love Costco ...
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 02:36 PM
Aug 2016

I buy many things from Costco and looked there. Price is not the end all of the conversation, but Costco has nothing at this price.

Warranty, however, is extremely important. My home was hit by a power surge, that I assume was lighting. I lost a lot of gear.

Washing machine, desktop, microwave, two televisions, stereo, printer, two dvd players, and a subwoofer.

The desktop was purchased from Costso and was under their extended (second year) warranty and they repaired it within no question and that service was the easiest out of all of them. 15 minutes on the phone. One, one f'n call, and it was done. They sent me a box, I packed it up, sent it to them, they called to say they got it, called the next day to say they would fix it, called two days later to say it was on its way back, called to make sure I got it, and then called me to say, "thanks for shopping at Costco".

My Vizio was also purchased at Costco, but was past the two year extension from Costco and was warrantied with the Square Trade extended warranty. The hassle that brought was to much to deal with, and in the end the coverage was denied. 10+ hours on the phone. Which is why I need a new 60". This hurt me deeply, again because I do love Costco, but the power surge was not covered because it was not "normal wear" or "product defect".

My 40" in the bedroom was also lost. It, along with my washer, was purchased from Best Buy and both were covered by Best Buy's 5 year Geek Squad extended warranty. (both 4 years old) The service was certainly not up to the Costco standard as I had to call them twice to schedule the Geek Squad to come out, once to determine they were broke, and once to schedule. Total phone time of 2.5 hours. But, once they came out, the TV was replaced and the washer was repaired and it took less than two weeks. In their warranty they actaully state coverage for this kind of issue ... for five years.

The microwave had a manufactures warranty but it did not cover the power surge, same as the stereo and subwoofer. Although Polk Audio repaired the sub for less than $50.

So, in the end I have to say that my next purchases will be with Best Buy because of the warranty service I received from them. My laptop was purchased at Frys and has a four year, but was not damaged so their warranty was not tested.

Warranty and service matter, and Best Buy backed up the service talk with the walk. Until they prove that to be different they have earned a customer. Costco lost one ...

still_one

(92,190 posts)
34. If you want extended coverage, Square Trade is a competitive option, in fact I believe Costco uses
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 04:46 PM
Aug 2016

them for extended coverage.

The return policy from Costco is the best in the country as far as I know. I think 6 months, but it may be 3 months. Don't quote me.

You probably are aware, but there are surge protectors that are not an arm an a leg that you can connect your television to, and you might consider that also whether you get extended coverage or not.

In general, most issues will show up in the first year, which is covered, but that is up to your comfort level

Part of the fun of doing what you are doing is learning about the technology out there.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
12. The Vizio does not have a OTA Tuner
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 01:59 PM
Aug 2016

Nor does it upscale 1080 to 4k. That might affect.you decision. If you plan on never needing a tuner, and are ok watching most shows in 1080, then you're ok. If not look at another model.

OTA is over the air, BTW.

Lurker Deluxe

(1,036 posts)
21. True
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 02:48 PM
Aug 2016

It is, in the description, a monitor. I assume it will do what I feed it, like my PC monitor.

I think the 4K will be available in a Blue Ray player in a short time and this monitor would be able to use that resolution. The monitor will be driven by the Fire TV, cable set top, or Blue Ray so the lack of tuner is ok with me.

I am hoping to be able to use the 4K because the units I get my signal from will upgrade in the future.

Hopefully.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
13. We bought a 4k vizio 55 inch
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 02:01 PM
Aug 2016

and we have dish. The picture is awesome. The guy at the store told me that we wouldn't be able to tell any difference from our old 55 inch vizio 1080 because 1080 is all they broadcast. Well he didn't have a clue. The pixels are so tiny that from three feet from the screen you can't even see them where as with the1080 screen you can see the individual pixels from 10 plus feet away.

I recommend the 4K wholeheartedly. I wouldn't go back 1080 if I had too.

I promise you will love it

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
15. I really wouldn't recommend buying one now.
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 02:03 PM
Aug 2016

The real problem is that the 4K format is NOT settled into its final form yet. It now looks like 4K HDR is going to become ubiquitous in 4K movie content, and there are two different competing formats for 4K HDR (Sony & Samsung vs. Dolby). Getting a 4K TV without HDR will soon be the equivalent of buying a 720P HDTV 10 years ago (sure, it was technically HD, but those buyers missed out on some of the biggest advantages of the format). Buy a 4K HDR TV with the WRONG format and you'll have the next Betamax on your hands.

If you need a TV right away, I'd buy a dirt cheap Hisense or something to get by for a year. Wait for the 4K standards to settle a bit before investing into something you plan on keeping long term.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
19. Think about it - 1 minute is about 32 GIG uncompressed.
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 02:12 PM
Aug 2016

Technicolor could produce the film in 4k but they couldn't store the data.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
23. Modern hard drive arrays can do it.
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 03:16 PM
Aug 2016

Obviously, something like a movie studio would have enterprise-grade RAID arrays for this sort of work. Many terabytes.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
24. Now sure...but think about all the films they had to dump the data for
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 03:19 PM
Aug 2016

It blows my mind that back in the day a 10MB hard drive was 700.00 and now $89 for 2 terrabytes.

... the first raid array we did were 500 MB 7200 Barrcudas they used to spin up independently and then sync up... took em a while. 40 GIG array was about 20 grand.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
26. True. We're talking a lot of hard drives.
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 03:30 PM
Aug 2016

For archiving, they probably put the data on tapes - modern tape storage systems can put up to 200TB on a tape.

The capacity of today's enterprise-grade big data storage systems can be mind-boggling. I'll admit I haven't kept up, but googling around, we're talking capacities in the petabyte range.

 

spud_demon

(76 posts)
29. Even in 1990, film was still a more efficient storage tech by volume than optical or hard drive
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 03:58 PM
Aug 2016

or magnetic tape.

Fortunately, video data is very compressible. Putting movies on DVDs or Blu-rays would not have been possible without serious compression.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
31. Compression dictates loss. Liniear has sucky accesss time.
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 04:05 PM
Aug 2016

The world we live for content distribution is limited by the constraints of today's topology and protocols... they'll figure out 4 k distribution, as they always do.... for me, a film with a good story line and 12 inch black and white. I was at peace. Not so sure I wan to to see Eli Walich's (may RIP) carcinomas up close and personal. To each their own

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
25. There really isn't a lot of 4K content except for sports broadcasts.
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 03:21 PM
Aug 2016

Between those two I'd go for the Samsung because Vizios have a really unreliable reputation and the one time I've had to deal with Samsung warranty service (for my dad's TV) I was extremely impressed.

 

spud_demon

(76 posts)
30. I don't connect my TV directly to the antenna
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 04:02 PM
Aug 2016

Get a computer with a tuner card! Then you can record shows to your hard drive, and the next lightning strike will probably only affect the card.

I use MythTV, running on Linux.

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