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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat the bojangles does this even mean: "He is mighty to save."? ??
????? It's not even a real sentence. It's like saying, "It is orange to lift," or "She was pretty to confuse." Incomprehensible. Sarah Palin-league word salad.Is this the kind of religious gibberish employed by 501(c)(3) organizations to confuse its members and obfuscate the organization's workings to as to bolster its administrators' authority?
(RNS) Its time to bury the myth that liberal theology is causing the decline of mainline churches in America and with it, the twin falsehood that because of their conservative creed evangelicals will own Christianitys future.
For many years now, its been treated as common knowledge in some circles that the liberal beliefs of mainline churches have been the instruments of their decline. As the story goes, if you want to know why the Episcopalians, Lutherans and others like them have suffered precipitous drops in members and cultural clout since the 1960s, you need look no further than their acceptance of societys changing sexual mores, womens equality and so on.
Conservative churches and their strict, unbending doctrine, were told, are why they have held onto, and have even grown, their numbers.
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As Robert P. Jones documents in his important new book, The End of White Christian America, white evangelicals are also shrinking now when measured as a proportion of the population.
http://religionnews.com/2016/08/10/why-a-stout-theological-creed-is-not-saving-evangelical-churches/
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)conservatives will lose
closeupready
(29,503 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)"Who is this, robed in splendor, striding forward in the greatness of his strength? "It is I, proclaiming victory, mighty to save."
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I could attempt to make a guess, but for a God who commands that his followers go for and smite fornicators, wouldn't you think this kind of soft, fairy talk is "for wimps"?
elleng
(130,960 posts)to which, presumably, many are subjected.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Language and what was intended to be said. My parents went through a phase when they would take various translations and annotated versions of the Bible to compare the language used.
This site has various translations of the same verse quoted in the OP:
http://biblehub.com/isaiah/63-1.htm
elleng
(130,960 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Evangelical denominations have indeed grown hugely since the 60s while mainline sects plummetted - that's the great mass of Christians going to where they can find the reassurance they used to find in every church that they are special and the rest of us hellbound beasts which now they find reliably only in evangelical asylums
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/factchecker-are-all-christian-denominations-in-decline
Is the guy right that fundy churches are now, just, starting to lose their saps? Yes, but they are losing them far far more slowly than the increasingly inaptly named "mainline" churches who are taking it from both ends as they lose their rational saps to either disinterest or disbelief and their irrational saps to fundy churches and grafted on imports in that order and depending on politics. The evangeloons are only losing on one front, and that's very slowly because, having absorbed most of the committed Christians who need that crutch, they won't lose them to the milquetoasts who quibble, gently now, about Christians maybe not hating people quite so much and God maybe not roasting them for eternity. They only lose them when they decide they no longer need a crutch at all and that it's been bullshit all along.
The only reason the RCC is declining slightly less slowly than mainliners is because of Hispanic immigration. Non-Latino Catholics are dropping faster than just about anybody, for obvious reasons.
This is good news in one way for the reason community as the only growing group. It means though, sadly, that at this rate we will be about where the rest of the OECD is in roughly 60 more years. Yeah USA.
Igel
(35,317 posts)It's an adjective (mighty) with an infinitive as complement.
We still have adjectives like that. It's necessary to know them in English, but I'm afraid to point them out to you. Or perhaps it's better to say "I'm hesitant to point them out." Ahem. This is called by some "quirky government." It's something that some adjectives allow (or require), but others don't. How do you know which is which? You read, hear, and learn. Maybe there's some generalization to be had, but I doubt it in this case.
It might also be a loan-translation, but if so a lot of translations use "mighty to save." Perhaps it's okay in English and that's why they use it. Dunno.
How to understand it, if you've never seen it and can't wrap your head around the grammar?
Perhaps "great in saving (us)." The Hebrew verb form's a bit ambiguous in translation. It's often the purpose, or something that the person does. (Yes, "mighty" has a subject.) Still, "saving" is another tenseless form, like "to save." Basically it functions sort of like a verbal noun.
It's worth pointing out that English isn't too far away from "mighty to save" if you just quantify or modify the word "mighty." He's "mighty enough to save" or "sufficiently mighty to save." Fill in the contex-derived object of the verb.
The opposite adjective, "powerless" is fine with an infinitive: "He's powerless to save." "Weak" is a reasonable synonym for "powerless," and you really can't say "weak to save" in modern English. Like I said, "quirky government."
DFW
(54,403 posts)Maybe it's just the cry in a circle of coffee drinkers by someone who prefers oolong or assam: "my tea to save!"