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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsUber may be the October surprise.
A spokeswoman for the firm told the BBC: "Starting later this month, Uber will allow customers in downtown Pittsburgh to summon self-driving cars from their phones, crossing an important milestone that no automotive or technology company has yet achieved.
"In Pittsburgh, customers will request cars the normal way, via Uber's app, and will be paired with a driverless car at random. Trips will be free for the time being, rather than the standard local rate of $1.30 [£0.98] per mile."
She added that Volvo had already sent a small number of sensor-equipped XC90 sports utility vehicles (SUVs) to Uber, which would be used in the initial trials. The carmaker intends to have delivered 100 such cars to its partner by the end of the year.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37117831
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It will be nice to have an October surprise that is about innovation and advancement, not political buffoonery.
Mika
(17,751 posts)And that's just the start.
Nothing political here. Move along. Nothing to see here.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)There is a lot to see here. Innovation. Increased wage job creation. Increased safety.
Maybe we should have held off on the internet considering the number of job it has hurt. No need to look at the rest of the equation.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What then is the specific rational response to advancing technologies, regardless of the vagaries of whether we should move along, or see nothing?
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Autonomous cars will revolutionize access for the elderly and disabled, most on fixed incomes where taxi services' exorbitant rates are unmanageable. $1.30 a mile? A Prius costs about 5c a mile for fuel. Let's double that to pay for maintenance (it would work out at $600 per 12k mile year, which seems high for a reliable car but hey). We need to add insurance. No idea what a by definition perfect driver costs to insure in a commercial vehicle and rates vary massively by location but $1000 a year maybe? Let's round up and add on another 10c/mile so we are at 20c. Have to pay somebody something to gas the thing as making that autonomus isn't on the cards yet. Let's say we spend $20 a pop to get a teenager to refuel the thing 30 times a year for another 5c a mile so we are at 25c. Same again for vac and wash for 30c. Depreciation? Absolutely. Let's say useful life is 5 years because who wants an old "cab". A Prius with average miles after 5 years seems to be about 10k cheaper than buying new so that's another huge hit of 16c a mile so we are at 46c a mile. Companies do need to make a profit so let's give them a healthy 25% gross margin and make that 58c. No fuck it let's round up again to 60c. And yes the entrepreneurial bastard who came up with the idea needs a yacht and a Ferrari so 5c a mile from every autocab just for them. The result? You just halved the cost of transportation for the people who need the help most. More, as there is no need for the peer pressure (guilt trip) tip.
Unless you live in NYC, you can not get a cab without a call. I do not use Uber. I want my cabbie to be vetted.
aside: My experience in NYC cab drivers, as a woman, includes "the good, the bad and the ugly". Mostly good, but a circular trip from the airport in the 80's reminded me of the dangers. Thanks to intuition and the knowledge of cabbie scams, I arrived safely at my hotel after a trip of 1 hour that should have taken 30m. For those less fortunate, I refuse to speculate.
dsc
(52,162 posts)I have driven there and it is a very hard city to drive in.
spinbaby
(15,090 posts)If you can drive in Pittsburgh, you can drive anywhere.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Middle volume overall for Uber.
alc
(1,151 posts)CMU has been researching driverless vehicles since the 80s. I think Uber hired many of their researchers over the last year and left them in Pittsburgh.
dsc
(52,162 posts)SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)Stated the cars will also have a standby driver. So please tip your standbys people!
Gotta be a way to create some add on service that your JIC driver can do in a way that his/ her time in the car can earn additional revenue for themselves.
Can't we think our way to a win-win here? We're Americans! Joe says we own the finish line!
(I think I've had enough coffee this morning, thank you)
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)the "self-driving" Volvos picking up Uber users will still have a human in the driving seat as a supervisor.
brush
(53,788 posts)If the cars have to have an attendant to sit in the driver's seat, have we really moved along developmentally?
CK_John
(10,005 posts)SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)Thats seems like moving along.
Continuing to eliminate livelihoods because we're technically capable of doing so...is that moving along?
brush
(53,788 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)brush
(53,788 posts)It first seemed to be saying that a driver-less car would be sent to pick up a passenger. Later it was added that an attendant would still be in the driver's seat, which is what to me seems a bit redundant.
If the cars are really driver-less why do they need an attendant, then I remembered that these so-called driver-less cars are really not there yet as they don't do well at all in bad weather like snow and anything that obstructs their sensors that gauge the sides of the roads.
Guess we'll find out in the winter.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It will also be monitored by a human. Seems very cut and dry.
brush
(53,788 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)You've been saying it all along. We're fools for doubting you.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)you will see a lot more if it become a campaign event.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Autonomous cars will no more be a unique or prominent political issue than the advent of self-booked flights and vacations, driving a much lower number of people working as travel agents, was.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Why do you think cars, and not bitcoin, will be a major campaign issue?
Do you understand the number of things that have made it to BBC, Bloomberg, and Yahoo News that will have no bearing on the election. Strange metric for determining what will be a campaign issue.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Blacksmiths used to be in every community, serving much the same social role as barber shops are portrayed as having in AA-dominated areas. Now if you can find one it's probably a frou-frou artisan bilking the 1% for bespoke gates for their summer estates. Almost all women of the yeoman class used to spin and/or weave at home. The great noble much-vaunted manufacturing jobs killed both, and many many more besides from bookbinders to leather workers. Then large companies had teams of accounting clerks, file clerks, secretaries and assistants. The IT revolution that has given normal people so much power and communication and access to information, not to mention DU, killed most of them along with travel agents and many retail workers, and yet more people are working than ever before, wages are rising modestly, and unemployment by any reasonable measure is at worst moderate. So in the next couple of decades we'll be seeing panics about drivers as they, as they inevitably will, start being replaced in a wave that will give us safer more efficient roads, more relaxed and productive lifestyles and more universal mobility in return The writing is on the wall. Don't go into driving as a long term career now unless it's at the most specialized level, just as every single person has internalized about blacksmithing for centuries and purely clerical accounting or secretarial work for decades. The only reason we are not aghast at the lack of iron-melting and shaping career options is because we are used to it not being anything but a niche option. Infants today will feel the same about driving, and probably squawking about the same problem in medical care or coding or whatever else can be done more effectively and efficiency with far fewer humans next.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)live by the sweat of their brows. its a very difficult way to earn a living but they make the world a more beautiful place.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)It's nothing to do with the job itself, but what the market wants and hence the product becomes from that job. Sculpting is certainly hard work too, but your market is almost universally for ornamental frippery just like it is for blacksmiths. Hardly anybody goes to them for basic utilitarian metal shaping. Mass production and machine shops do all that. Blacksmithing has become a niche trade dealing in frou-frou artisanry. Even farriery now is almost all mass produced forgings with limited adjustments during cold shoeing. This is neither a fault in nor an insult to the few remaining blacksmiths, nor a denigration to their work. It is a reflection that the market for that work has lost the ubiquity and utilitarian basis it once had and as such there are a fraction of the number of blacksmiths we used to have (they after all were the biggest reason for Smith's #1 ranking on common Anglo surnames). We will see drivers go the same way, again through no fault or blame among the people doing the job.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)I know you keep saying driverless cars are an important issue, but how would they affect Hillary versus Trump?
CK_John
(10,005 posts)that have made them nolonger needed. If you don't know how to use a smart phone you can't get a job. If you are over 50 and lose your job, you will never work again. We are heading into an 60-70 percent unemployment.
Trump's base knows this and that is why they are so angry. The world is passing them by and they want it to be like it was.