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[upaloopa]

1. There is no need to take every OP seriously.

I know what you mean. I just pass up the my way or the highway stuff.

It is really a bullying tactic and deserves no respect.

[pintobean]

2. Gbcw... sometime in the future?

That's different.

[Orrex]

53. They're serving notice that they might serve notice.

You've been warned.

[msanthrope]

55. And I'm warning you that you've been warned. Repeatedly. nt

[Orrex]

56. Thanks for the warnings.

[kcjohn1]

3. I concur, followed '08 / '12 and never seen it like this

Seems like all hail the leader type of attitude. No discussion of issues nor is it open forum. You would think this is propaganda outlet.

I used to come latest thread as my first stop because I would get good representation of what is going not only in politics but the world. That unforuntely is not the case anymore. I need to go other places to get my doze of reality and what is actually going on.

[synergie]

13. Let me guess,the places you go to for your "doze" of reality is one that actually

appends a demand that you "all hail the leader" and not intimate that he still has no shot at the Democratic nomination, right?

It's an open forum, and discussion is going on, that you don't agree with the facts and the reality that's discussed, doesn't not make it any less factual or real.

[BobbyDrake]

58. +1!

The "About Us" section of that hate-site literally says "we support only one candidate, and don't you dare mention anyone else, even if she won the nomination (through conspiracies, obviously)."

I've had it up to here with all this projection being leveled at Democrats from the left fringe. Nothing peeves me quite like being called a "right-winger" by a bunch of authoritarian know-nothings with no respect for the democratic process. They should look in their mirror for the real "Republican Lite."

[chknltl]

40. Feeling similarly kcjohn1

I haven't changed but this place has. It is less the place for important debate-interpretation-backstory of events that i wish to learn learn from than it used to be. You mentioned propaganda, yeah....i don't want to be propagandised either and my bullshit sniffer been going crazy.

[ciaobaby]

4. Agree with you 100%

[NCTraveler]

5. Outside of major elections...

DU and its members are highly critical of the party and its people. Since you mention your duration here, this aspect is something you should be well aware of.

And where your party is standing is under the most progressive platform in decades.

[Dreamweaver 5.0]

7. This year just seems "meaner" than usual.

Or I'm just getting older and my tolerance level for dealing with shenanigans has dropped.

[NCTraveler]

12. Seems like an overall nice place these days.

The format lends itself to some pretty mean and heated primaries. Then there is the adjustment period where winners and losers attempt to come back together. It's like a social experiment.

[Generic Brad]

33. Every election year in history has been mean

Yet some how DU (and in the larger picture - the Republic) still survive. People come and go. Meanness remains.

[Duckhunter935]

6. I so agree, been that way for some time now

[monmouth4]

8. There are any old timers here on DU who think they're quite important and influential. If you

disagree with them they get on that high horse of theirs. Ignore them..

[Kingofalldems]

9. So who were you before?

And why did you leave if I may ask?

[bhikkhu]

10. I don't find that thoughtful and respectful disagreement or discussion is gone at all

but I do find that a lot of useless interpersonal flaming is gone, though not all of that. I think its important to look at it in perspective - virtually every news forum on the internet has seen its forums devolve into the equivalent of 5-year old s**t-slinging tournaments, and had all serious readers driven out. Many (if not most) news sites that don't depend on forums have shut them down as public embarrassments. DU was never that bad, but I can recall times when I looked at the general discussion pages and deliberately avoided two-thirds of them, as any attempt to discuss quickly led a good dragging into the mud.

If you've got something you've put some thought to (such as this OP), I don't see it getting pulled.

[bigwillq]

11. Why would one ever get bummed by a message board?

It's really not that serious.

Take a break. Drink a beer. Write a song. Dance. Something.

[CTyankee]

16. I'm wondering the same thing...with everything else in the world going on, plus your own lives

why would you care about DU that much? I love DU and have invested losts of time and efforts into it, wouldn't trade it for anything, but really it isn't my whole life!

[Dreamweaver 5.0]

17. What funny about your response is.

I make my living as a musican and produce documentary films on the side.

I come here to let my hair down and relax.

Thanks for your thoughts though.

[onehandle]

14. Cool story, bro. nt

[KMOD]

15. What would you like to discuss?

[Kingofalldems]

18. Links please?

I'd like to know what the hell you are talking about.

Looks like a callout of DU members from here.

[Dreamweaver 5.0]

20. This is what I am talking about.

I shouldn't have to prove why I feel the way I do.
I feel this way because I do.
It's a concensus of multiple posts and flame wars on DU.

I am calling out myself.

That's all.

[Kingofalldems]

22. When you make an assertion it would be nice to cite examples.

And no your OP was not a callout of yourself, in my opinion.

[Yo_Mama]

19. I understand, but I think you just have to wait this one out.

Maybe it will get better after the election, maybe not.

[Rex]

21. Been that way since day one.

There are some that like drama and controversy. All the time.

[BigDemVoter]

23. I understand. In GENERAL, I am careful what I write, as I don't want to

inadvertently get my post(s) removed or get banned. There have been a few times where my temper or irritation got the best of me, and I DID blurt out something.

As far as OP's are concerned, I just skip those I don't agree with, as I KNOW what will happen if I DO respond in the wrong way.

[NuclearDem]

24. I know how it feels.

Voted Democrat my entire adult life, volunteered for local campaigns, had the bumper stickers, and defended Obama from some of the worst, yet lately I've been called a right-winger and a racist more times than I care to count simply for not being on the same side of some issues as others here.

It happens. Eventually, these groups get so wound-up in purity tests and more-liberal-than-thou contests that they end up eating each other alive. Us sane people will be just fine.

[Person 2713]

25. +1 Agree with many of your points

[Texasgal]

26. I used to get emotionally invested here.

Over the years I decided that all of the riff raff doesn't really matter. If I get annoyed or do not agree I make personal choices. I can sit around and argue or I can do things in real life that matter to me.

I chose the latter.

I do like to come here and read though. Works for me anyway.

[deathrind]

27. Agreed

The zero tolerance for any critical discussion/debate of issues by either of the primary candidates has changed the value of this site enormously from what it used to be.

[Andy823]

28. Wow all this insight

And you showed up here on Aug 23, 2016. I just don't know what to say!

[cheapdate]

29. It's been worse, in my opinion.

Don't let it bother you. Observe with detachment, like Zen.

[quickesst]

30. One of the reasons I don't post much here...

..... is because there is a good chance you're going to offend somebody, and they're going to say something, then you're going to say something back, and then someone else is going to jump in the middle of it. I just don't have time for the drama. Having said that, I still love Democratic Underground which is a constant and reliable source for news and social commentary by many members here that I like and respect. I may or may not be here for the next go-around, but I hope I am, and you'll find me right here listening and learning...... with an occasional comment, and a grain of salt.

[riderinthestorm]

31. Yup. K&R nt

[Raine1967]

32. Who were you before?

one way or anther...

We used to be able to discuss and have opinions.

You still can.

Nowdays it seems like it's my way or the hiway.

Not really true. check the TOS.

I am a Democrat for a reason. We have always been the big tent party.

We still are. Glad you are too.

We could challenge ideals and thoughtfully and respectfully disagree with each other.

See above.

Now it seems like it's spy vs spy on the boards.

What boards? Not seeing it here.

If you do not agree with the OP you are from the dark side.

What OP?

Seems like we are slowly morphing into a lockstep bbs like freeperville.

When did you join DU?

I only got to hang 9 more weeks tI'll election.

We have that amount of time as well.

Don't think I will be here for 2020.

One election at a time.

I know emotions and tension is running high close to election day but when we eat our own what do we have LEFT?

Who, exactly do you speak of when you say/type: when we eat our own what do we have LEFT?



Don't be bummed. Start being a part of the solution.

[Not Sure]

34. I feel you.

I've dropped my participation level to maybe 10% of what it was pre-primary. During the primaries I had to cut back on reading and posting just to avoid so much hate.

Since then I've decided to hold my nose and vote for our candidate, who is in my opinion a poor candidate but one who is infinitely more qualified than the divisive fascist opposing her. But that's pretty much it.

As far as this place is concerned, I find that I get a lot more out of it from a distance. YMMV.

[hibbing]

35. I guess it depends on how you use it and your expectations

I check out the front few pages for news mostly, which is always good and for EarlG's Pic of the Day which has given me so many laughs this year I can't even count. There were also countless stupid alerts imho. I see good discussions quite often. This season with the Bernie and Hillary crowds it certainly got testy. I basically stayed out of those threads, I don't think you could convince others to change sides regardless of what was said by anyone. However, hopefully we will all get out and vote to avoid the perilous tiny handed fascist.

Good luck to you whatever you decide to do.

Peace

[rwsanders]

36. I agree and that is all I'm going to say.

If said why, it would all come flying out here.

[retrowire]

37. I stopped giving a fu*n

*dances*

[zentrum]

38. Agreed. Well said.

I feel it very much too. It's a loss.

Hopefully, after the election, we can go back to the necessary, and often critical analysis that's always been the nature of we Democrats.

[Arazi]

39. Nope. Skinner says this is the way things are going to be post GE

[stevenleser]

41. I disagree. DU is finally back to being a sane place I can think about recommending to people again.

I don't mind constructive criticism of Democrats. But if I want destructive criticism of Democrats I can tune in to the garbage in a right wing forum for a few minutes. I don't need that from here.

I think that those who want to post nasty criticism of Democrats would be much better served doing community outreach to try to change the opinions of people and what they want out of their elected leaders. Posting nasty criticisms of Democrats on DU isn't going to get anything done other than perhaps make the poster feel an undeserved sense of self-righteousness.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

42. This.

[MADem]

47. +1,000,000!

For those who simply MUST get their Hate On, there's always DISCUSSIONIST--they can bash away all the live-long day over there.

I don't understand why people don't avail themselves of that option--it's not like there isn't another user-friendly, easily navigable website with news and discussion in the world. Of course, over at DISCUSSIONIST, those gripes and groans don't stand out like they do here.

I think some people like to be the nail that sticks up, so they can be hammered down, and then they can cry about the "unfairness" of it all.

[betsuni]

50. +1

[La Lioness Priyanka]

43. If you are a person of color, an immigrant, and many

Other types of minority, this election is really high stakes for you and maybe you've therefore run our of patience with liberals attacking the democratic nominee.



Glad du has reasserted itself as a website that supports democrats.

[HuckleB]

44. DU is just following the trends of discussion online.

Less discussion, more screaming. Less content, more cliches.

And, yeah, that's being very, very, very kind.

[Jim Lane]

45. I'm spending less time on DU than I used to.

I know there were divisions in 2004 and 2008, but I'm not the only one who feels that this time has been different. It's an open question whether, after the election, DU can return to being as valuable as it once was.

[G_j]

46. It has been different

but I am not going to go on about it. DU is more like a shadow of what it was. All one has to do is explore the archives.

[MohRokTah]

48. Creating new accounts is a direct violation of TOS. eom

[betsuni]

49. Not this again. You left out "echo chamber."

[Raine]

51. Very true... nt

[StrictlyRockers]

52. What's a "hiway"? Is that where you go to say "hi" to everyone? :)

I want to walk down this hiway you speak of.

[Democat]

54. You have 100 posts

Your concern is noted.

[HerrKarlMarx]

57. You're describing modern politics

It is not limited to DU or even the Democratic party. Modern politics have devolved into 'you're either with me or against me.'

Look at Republicans and their forums. In their eyes, if you dare criticize Trump, you're a concern troll who wants Hillary Clinton to win.

Apparently reasonable and respectful debate is a thing of the past.