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Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 05:44 PM Jun 2012

What if the November election is stolen under Citizens United?

The Citizens United decision is among the most egregious ever to come down from the Supreme Court. It raises the specter that the future of America will be dominated by elected officials who are dependent on campaign financing from a few wealthy donors seeking to purchase favors and votes. Some these donors may even by driven by ideologies that are hostile to democracy or the very concept of society, such as the doctrines of Ayn Rand or the conspiracy theories of the John Birch Society, whose founder declared that President Eisenhower was a "conscious, dedicated agent of the Communist Conspiracy."

Moreover, many legislatures dominated by such purchased politicians as a result of the election of 2010 have sought to entrench their power by passing laws making it difficult for some citizens to cast a legal vote. We haven't even started to talk about the possibilities of mischief made with unaccountable voting machines.

Democracy cannot be for sale to the highest bidder and still be democracy. The amount of money going into this election will make the results suspect, to say the least, especially if the Republicans "win." Even the Democrats who survive the mine field of corporate cash and voter suppression might be suspected of being bought. In any case, it is unlikely that very many honest populists will emerge victorious in November in this kind of election environment. No contest held in this kind of environment can be regarded as a free and fair election.

The only thing being done to stop this nightmare is the Department of Justice writing a strongly worded letter to Florida Governor Rick Scott concerning his efforts to purge voters from the rolls. Although the targets of this purge are clearly Latino voters other than Cubans, Governor Scott's first response is to flip the bird at the Obama Administration. Governor Scott obviously thinks he can rig the election in Florida and get away with it.

A victory by Republicans, reactionaries and corporate fascists in November will have the following consequences:

  • More voter suppression laws aimed at poor voters.
  • Elimination of taxes on the rich and increased taxes on the poor (do these first two bullets sound like taxation without representation?)
  • Further deregulation of Wall Street, making it easier for too-big-to-fail banks to steal our money, for which we actually worked.
  • Cruel austerity measures shredding the social safety net.
  • Virtural outlawing of labor unions.
  • Greater corporate censorship of news (goodbye, Current TV), including a corporate monopoly of internet content (goodbye, DU; so long, Kos).
  • More imperialist wars aimed at opening markets to corporate crime syndicates like J. P. MorganChase, GoldmanSachs, Bank of America, ExxonMobil, British Petroleum, etc.
  • A total disregard for anthropogenic climate change ("it's a hoax&quot and downplaying of the effects of environmental pollution ("just wear hats with broader brims and more sunscreen&quot .
  • Environmental polluters relieved of any and all responsibility for environmental disasters like Prince William Sound and the Gulf of Mexico.
  • Further erosion of civil liberties, increased surveillance and suppression of free speech and the right of assembly; this kind of inequality cannot exist outside of a police state.

We need to prepare for the worst case, starting now. We cannot wait until after the election to see how bad things are going to get before beginning countermeasures to circumvent a kleptocratic, corporate controlled police state.

Among the ideas I would toss out for general consumption are:
  • A clear manifesto stating the following:
    • Human society, while it cramps the style of an individual, is still a phenomenon that grows out of human nature; we would have become extinct long ago were it not for our ability to form associations with our fellow species members for protection and increased productivity.
    • As governments are instituted among men to secure certain unalienable rights, so are economic institutions instituted among men to organize the production and distribution of wealth extracted from the earth and services of value performed by another human for the benefit of another.
      • That, just as any government may be altered or abolished should it become destructive to securing unalienable human rights, so may an economic association.
      • Society, acting through government, has as much right to disband a predatory financial institution, an insurance company whose profits are predicated on denying coverage to its clients or a environmental polluter as it has to disband a narcotics cartel.
  • A resolution that any government whose officers are purchased by campaign financing or elected under rules excluding eligible voters is illegitimate. Any law passed by a legislative body and enforced by executives purchased by campaign financing and elected under rules excluding any citizen from casting a legal vote are to be disregarded.
    • A device, similar to a blue box used to to circumvent the control of long distance calling by the phone company, that can be used to circumvent corporate control of the internet, should be invented, mass produced and distributed to all who desire one.
    • Refusal to turn in to authorities any one accused of robbing a predatory financial institution; if needed, an underground judicial system may be instituted to determine whether the robbery merits punishment.
    • Reserving the option to strike for higher wages or better working conditions or to stage a general strike to protest unjust economic conditions.
    • Refuse to pay taxes to governments whose officers are purchased by campaign financing or authorized by legislative bodies purchased by campaign financing or elected under rules excluding some eligible voters.
    • Refuse military service to fight wars that are of benefit only to major profit centers and with nothing to do with actual national security.
  • The following must be made clear: Austerity measures will be resisted.


These are desperate measures, but the future of America may be desperate times. It will not be the shining beacon on a hill, but a pit envisioned by Dante or Milton.
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What if the November election is stolen under Citizens United? (Original Post) Jack Rabbit Jun 2012 OP
Money only makes a sizeable difference when there is an almost evenly divided electorate. randome Jun 2012 #1
If Romney get in, he won't be in charge anyway. He will be a puppet, a ceremonial piece in front of RC Jun 2012 #6
Yeah, Romney is so weak-willed, we don't know who would be in charge! randome Jun 2012 #8
Great parallels to Bush II. Many didnt think he would get in either.f rhett o rick Jun 2012 #17
I'm afraid you're correct. RC Jun 2012 #23
Repeat after me the conservative/centrist pledge: "It aint affecting me directly so leave it alone." rhett o rick Jun 2012 #24
"anthropomorphic climate change"? Are you kidding me? KamaAina Jun 2012 #2
Muchas gracias, seņor Jack Rabbit Jun 2012 #4
You mean bought. mmonk Jun 2012 #3
Yes, I mean bought. Jack Rabbit Jun 2012 #5
my kids , grand-kids,great grand-kids are screwed... madrchsod Jun 2012 #7
Exactly. Mine, too. What are we going to do about it? Jack Rabbit Jun 2012 #10
If that happens, a lot of those "detention camps" will get filled. nt panader0 Jun 2012 #9
They'd claim they didn't steal anything. madamesilverspurs Jun 2012 #11
You know they're going to wave the Citizens United decision and I know it Jack Rabbit Jun 2012 #12
SO- turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #33
For one thing, that wouldn't be "stealing" the election. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #13
Meh. Six of one, half dozen of the other........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #21
WHat do you call buying something that is supposed to be free (and fair)? Jack Rabbit Jun 2012 #27
What happened the last time a presidential election was stolen? Solly Mack Jun 2012 #14
It would be the fault of Americans themselves mainer Jun 2012 #15
You want my solution? You probably won't like it. It's not very Gandhi... Scootaloo Jun 2012 #16
Can we discuss that after we overthrow an illegitimate government? Jack Rabbit Jun 2012 #18
Ba dum-bump TISH! Scootaloo Jun 2012 #19
Just added an important point Jack Rabbit Jun 2012 #20
Say 'Hello' to Wesley Snipes for me Fla_Democrat Jun 2012 #22
So are they going to jail us all if we refuse to pay taxes? socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #25
Most of us worker drones have our taxes withheld. bluedigger Jun 2012 #31
Come, come, my good man Jack Rabbit Jun 2012 #26
Rhetorical question? No fucking duh, that is what CU is all about rustydog Jun 2012 #28
Very well written, JR. Don't forget that Willard also supports the madinmaryland Jun 2012 #29
He does? I didn't know that Jack Rabbit Jun 2012 #35
It just goes to show how Republicans are willing to do anything -- even vote rigging -- to win. nt AJTheMan Jun 2012 #30
Then I hope a rebellion will not be too far off. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #32
Unless CU is eliminated, November is already bought and sold. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2012 #34
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
1. Money only makes a sizeable difference when there is an almost evenly divided electorate.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 05:47 PM
Jun 2012

The electorate is still divided but, thankfully, Romney is such a weak candidate that I don't think he could win if he outspent Obama by a billion dollars. There is a point of diminishing returns for endless money.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
6. If Romney get in, he won't be in charge anyway. He will be a puppet, a ceremonial piece in front of
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 05:58 PM
Jun 2012
the curtain, nothing more.
With the rigged electronic voting machines and other election frauds being put in place, he could very well "win".
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
8. Yeah, Romney is so weak-willed, we don't know who would be in charge!
Reply to RC (Reply #6)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:00 PM
Jun 2012

He probably wouldn't know, either!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. Great parallels to Bush II. Many didnt think he would get in either.f
Reply to RC (Reply #6)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 07:37 PM
Jun 2012

And the Repukes have improved their fraud methods. They know that the American public will not do anything if they steal another election.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
23. I'm afraid you're correct.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:02 PM
Jun 2012

Most other Democratic countries would be rioting in the streets by now. What do we have? Afternoon meetings in parks?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
24. Repeat after me the conservative/centrist pledge: "It aint affecting me directly so leave it alone."
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:07 PM
Jun 2012
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
2. "anthropomorphic climate change"? Are you kidding me?
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 05:50 PM
Jun 2012

'anthropomorphic' means 'like a human being', for instance, Bugs Bunny. The word you're looking for is 'anthropogenic': 'caused by human beings."

And that is the only minor quibble I have with this.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
3. You mean bought.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 05:51 PM
Jun 2012

I admit the consequences will be devastating if it happens. Actually, 2010 was devastating. This would be the nail in the coffin.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
10. Exactly. Mine, too. What are we going to do about it?
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:06 PM
Jun 2012

I hope nobody's answer is to just let it happen and take it. I put some ideas up, now give me some of your own. Not just you, madrchsod, everybody.

I don't have any grandkids yet, but I do have a grandnephew and a grandniece.

madamesilverspurs

(15,839 posts)
11. They'd claim they didn't steal anything.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:18 PM
Jun 2012

Waving a copy of the Citizens United decision, they'd say "Here's the receipt, we bought the election fair and square!"

But when Obama kicks butt in November and gets re-elected, good luck to 'em when they try to get a refund...


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Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
12. You know they're going to wave the Citizens United decision and I know it
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:22 PM
Jun 2012

Do we need to buy it? That decision was corrupt and the product of corrupt justices.

turtlerescue1

(1,013 posts)
33. SO-
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:41 PM
Jun 2012

Per Ralph Nader, 2008, yep-2008! Corporations need to be NOT State Chartered, but Federally Chartered, and applications need to be one by one. We're a long way from getting to that place. BUT I knew it started before this episode, thanks to Ralph, 1886 Santa Clara Co. vs
Southern Pacific RR.

[link:http://www.votenader.org/issues/corporate-personhood|


There is HOPE, but crap, its like everything fought for in those Sixties: it won't be easy or quick or painless. Still if it were easy, would it be worth having?


socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
21. Meh. Six of one, half dozen of the other........
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 08:42 PM
Jun 2012

First they'll try to buy it. If that doesn't work, they'll try to steal it. That's not in question. The question is what are we going to do about it?

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
27. WHat do you call buying something that is supposed to be free (and fair)?
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:29 PM
Jun 2012

Whether you call it buying or stealing it's illegitimate.

Solly Mack

(90,913 posts)
14. What happened the last time a presidential election was stolen?
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:33 PM
Jun 2012

Some outrage and then nothing will be done about it.

News readers will speak of 'bloodless' changes of power, as they are wont to do, in an effort to emphasis how great America is and how wonderful our system of choosing elected leaders is - as opposed to those countries that suffer coups every now and then.

As for your predictions, I dunno. I make none. I just know it'll be bad. Very bad.



mainer

(12,050 posts)
15. It would be the fault of Americans themselves
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:41 PM
Jun 2012

for letting money sway how they vote. And the country would get what it deserves.

The only reason "Citizens United" is a threat is because too many Americans are too damn stupid to educate themselves. A moronic populace can only blame itself.

Sorry, but I'm so fed up with the voters that I DO want to give up. When over half of Americans believe in some form of creationism, I think it's hopeless.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
18. Can we discuss that after we overthrow an illegitimate government?
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 07:40 PM
Jun 2012

I mean, we mustn't get ahead of ourselves.

Fla_Democrat

(2,549 posts)
22. Say 'Hello' to Wesley Snipes for me
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 08:51 PM
Jun 2012

I loved him in Blade.....

Refuse to pay taxes to governments whose officers are purchased by campaign financing or authorized by legislative bodies purchased by campaign financing or elected under rules excluding some eligible voters.





socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
25. So are they going to jail us all if we refuse to pay taxes?
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:17 PM
Jun 2012

Or even if a solid percentage refuse to pay.

bluedigger

(17,108 posts)
31. Most of us worker drones have our taxes withheld.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 10:36 PM
Jun 2012

They don't really care if you don't file, in fact, they prefer it - you just don't get a refund.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
26. Come, come, my good man
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:27 PM
Jun 2012

When I was a boy, I was sort of child who had nightmares about getting in trouble with authority. I suppose nothing has changed. After all, the Koch brothers, or politicians answering to them, are no authority.

And is a mass tax strike any more outrageous than passing a voter ID law?

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
28. Rhetorical question? No fucking duh, that is what CU is all about
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:47 PM
Jun 2012

The sellling of the presidency, congress to the highest bidder...corporations, foreign money and billlionaires

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
35. He does? I didn't know that
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 12:00 AM
Jun 2012

As a reason to oppose his candidacy, I don't rank it very high. But it's still better one than that he is a Mormon.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
34. Unless CU is eliminated, November is already bought and sold.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:48 PM
Jun 2012

Sometimes money doesn't matter as with California's recent governor race, BUT...

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