Trump wanted Tiffany aborted...newly unearthed video reveals..

[HipChick]

Trump Admits He Urged His Mistress To Have An Abortion In Unearthed Audio

In this clip from The Last Word with Laurence O’Donnell, the host brings up old audio of Trump discussing his then-mistress Marla Maples’ pregnancy – and calls out Trump for obviously wanting her to have an abortion, a fundamental right that he now wants to deny to every woman in America.

In a discussion with obnoxious radio host Howard Stern, Trump admits that he impregnated a woman who told him that she was taking birth control pills. She told him “Darling, I’m so happy, we’re having a child!” His reaction, which is bound to thrill the anti-choice community, was… “uh, excuse me? What are we going to do about this?”

Well, see, Mr. Trump, because America is not a backwards draconian theocracy, there are several options that you could have employed to “do” something about “this. But just two days ago, Trump said that we need to ban abortion and punish the women who have them. It’s a show of outrageous hypocrisy that highlights how Trump sees the world. While he is happy to employ his mistress’s Supreme Court-mandated right to have an abortion should she choose, he has no qualms about abandoning his prior held positions in order to cater to the vapid religious extremists that make up the Republican Party American Taliban.

The incident highlights how critically important choice is to our society. Maples was presented with a choice, and choose she did. Against Trump’s wishes she chose not to abort the child, who grew up to be Tiffany Trump. That was her choice. But as O’Donnell remarks, “in Donald Trump’s world, no man in America would be able to say to his girlfriend ‘what are we going to do about this’ upon discovering an accidental pregnancy. There would be no legal option other than having a baby.” The idea that he would “punish” women who have dangerously unsafe illegal abortions is just jaw-dropping insult to heinous injury.

At the end of the day, the entire fight over women’s bodies is about shaming and blaming women for their sexuality while absolving men of all responsibility for their actions;

[NightWatcher]

1. Ok Conservative Christians, I'm looking at you. Gonna vote for the Pro-Choicer?

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No, ok just wanted to check. How y'all gonna spin not denouncing him?

[Yallow]

9. A Conservative Christian's Entire Life Is Hypocrisy

Voting for people who promise to cut food stamps, and deny people doctors.

Thank God I am a follower of Jesus' teachings, and not a Christian.

[Coyotl]

13. Conservative Christian is an oxymoran.

[groundloop]

25. EXACTLY. Christ was as liberal as you can get... a fact which is totally lost on right wingers

Hung out with homeless people, prostitutes, advocated for the care and feeding of poor, railed against government status quo. Sounds pretty damned liberal to me.

[LakeVermilion]

27. Hence, The Beatitudes...

You'll never hear conservatives voice any knowledge of this list. Instead, they are much more in line with the punitive, Ten Commandments.

[calimary]

30. YEP! THERE IT IS!

And YES, I'm SHOUTING!

You NEVER, EVER hear any of these sanctimonious assholes recite ANYTHING, not a word, about - or from - The Beatitudes.

And...

You NEVER, EVER hear any of these shove-the-Bible-down-everybody's-throats folks refer to Jesus's encounter with the rich young man - "sell all that you have and give it to the poor, and follow Me."

From Wikipedia:

Yeshua and the rich young man (also called Jesus and the rich ruler) is an episode in the life of Jesus in the New Testament that deals with eternal life[1][2] and the World to Come.[3] It appears in the Gospel of Matthew 19:16–30, the Gospel of Mark 10:17–31 and the Gospel of Luke 18:18–30. It relates to the Evangelical counsels of chastity, poverty and obedience.

In Matthew, a rich young man asks Jesus what actions bring eternal life. First Jesus advises the man to obey the commandments. When the man responds that he already observes them, and asks what else he can do, Jesus adds:

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.[4]

Luke has a similar episode and states that:

When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God / Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_rich_young_man

Those "Bible-thumpers" NEVER mention this, while they're all extremely busy either implying or stating flat-out that "God wants YOU to be RICH!"

[LakeVermilion]

63. Amen! to that...

[Emilybemily]

53. Yep.

They are the very definition of hypocrisy.

[shadowmayor]

35. Like many STFU Donny supporters they don't read

Conservative Christians are especially selective in their reading of the Bible. How about a refresher from the Book of Numbers Chapter 5 - the Jealousy Law - or trial by ordeal - or the Ordeal of the Bitter Water as it is sometimes called. It's a story about a jealous husband forcing his wife to drink a bitter potion (supplied by the priests with God's help of course) to kill what's in her womb when he suspects her of being with another man. It's mandated abortion. Of course, dude who's laying with another guy's wife is completely left out of the picture. Wonder why?

And here they come 1 . . . 2 . . 3 . .

[SummerSnow]

58. This will be the spin...He evolved

[ehrnst]

59. He's not pro-choice for anyone but himself. (nt)

[smirkymonkey]

2. That poor kid.

I pity her, having such a horrible father. He is such a cruel, selfish bastard.

[calimary]

31. Has anybody noticed on some of these websites, along the bottom or over on one side

where they list other stories to click on - "From the Web" or "From the Net" or other sponsored links. And it's usually something trashy or some sales pitch or something. And there's one that shows an unflattering photo of Tiffany Trump and the caption - "The Real Reason Why Donald Trump Never Mentions Tiffany?" or some such wording, to cast the daughter of Donald and Marla, who was conceived WHILE he was still married to his first wife, Ivana, in a bad or lesser light.

I feel sorry for her, too.

I also notice - Ivana AND Marla both are nowhere to be found during this campaign. I'm surprised there hasn't been a press push to grab some news-making or "exclusive" interview with one of them to get to "the REAL Donald Trump". I'm actually pretty sure it's already been attempted. I also suspect he either paid them each so handsomely in their divorces that they keep their mouths shut for fear of losing those big bucks. That was probably a major part of the divorce settlements. They stay mum and they get the money - or the money keeps on rolling in. It's commonplace in these big splashy celebrity/big-shot/high-roller/VIP divorces. And/or his lawyers revisited each of them as the campaign got rolling either to renew the threats to remain silent or "here's a nice little bonus - as long as you continue to keep your mouth shut."

You can BET it was not just any ol' divorce settlement. This too was a business deal. Both times.

[smirkymonkey]

43. Just think of all the lives he's destroyed.

And he doesn't give a damn about any of them. What a sick mofo.

[TexasBushwhacker]

56. Marla didn't get pregnant until after the divorce

Donald and Ivana divorced in 1991. Tiffany was born in October of 1993.

[Scarsdale]

47. Trapped

Does ANYONE think this pregnancy was an "accident"? Puleeze, tRump attracts gold diggers, not decent self respecting women. Maples was blatant, she went to Aspen to the ski resort tRump had booked his wife and kids into. Ivana found out, and the cat fight was on. Oldest trick in the book, and he, with his "very good brain" fell for it.

[TalkingDog]

49. So DU is allowing "slut-shaming" now?

Or is it okay because they know or have slept with an EOH ("enemy" of Hillary)?

Birth control fails. We can't know what happened in this case. Trump is the dickweed who cheated on his wife and tried to get his mistress to have an abortion. Save your ire for him.

[smirkymonkey]

50. Yes, but how do you think Tiffany feels knowing that her father wanted to

abort her? It doesn't matter if it was a "trick" - and by the way that makes me sick because he was responsible too - the point is that he fathered a daughter and needs to take responsibility for the act from conception on.

[wheniwasincongress]

3. I don't know if I can feel worse for Tiffany

she knows her father doesn't give much of a hoot about her because she's not as "hot" as Ivanka

[calimary]

34. I actually do. I know how that feels.

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My father ogled women ALL THE DAMN FUCKING TIME!!!! Couldn't keep his eyes to himself, even when my mom was right there, in the same room or even seated or standing next to him. He couldn't help himself. It used to irritate the hell outta me. Both my parents made very sure and very clear that I was inferior to most of my girlfriends and classmates in the looks department. I had a weight problem as a teenager, a big nose, and very thick glasses because I was horrendously nearsighted. I think at one time my vision was actually categorized as legally blind. My dad's business at one point was in the health and fitness arena. So there were some slim, lovely, photogenic, long-legged models (usually blonde) in the picture. There were some times when I thought I should have brought a bib along in case he'd start drooling! It made me VERY angry.

And mind you - this fat ugly unathletic nerdy kid of theirs was also a star student, straight A's on every report card, lots of extra-curricular activities, hard-working, extra-credit-earning and at times a teacher's pet-type. I was the "nice girl" that other mothers wanted their kids to hang out with. I never got in trouble because I was always home studying! Besides, nobody was ever interested in dating me, or taking me to the dance. Blind date for the senior prom. Every school dance I was one of the lonely handful of girls left standing along the edge of the dance floor til about 11pm, waiting to be asked to dance. That would be about the time I'd finally get asked - when I was literally the ONLY girl standing alone by then, and the boys who were cute or on the football team had been dancing and/or busy making out, outside in the bushes, with all the pretty girls (or the ones with big boobs) most of the evening.

So I was EXTRA conscious and EXTRA sensitive about physical looks (of which I had none).

When I was about four or so, I remember my mom telling me this joke:

"Two women get into an elevator and notice a little girl is already in there. As they all ride up to the upper floors, one woman remarks to her friend - 'she's not very P-R-E-T-T-Y.' And the little girl pipes up with - "no, but I AM very S-M-A-R-T.'" I remember not reacting too much except to smile a little. But I can also CLEARLY remember how, deep down, I found myself wondering - "why are you telling me THAT joke, Mom?"

I look somewhat better now. I'll always struggle with weight even though I've kept it fairly well under control from college onward. I eventually had that Lasik surgery that did away with those glasses and the series of contact lenses, hard AND soft, that never fit me well and were never comfortable and always made me squint. Had to have a deviated septum corrected to help me breathe better once I started working on the air, which, happily enough, also took a bit off my oversized nose while they were at it (how'd you like to have a bunch of guys and other girls laugh at you because one of them started calling you "eagle beak" and then tell you to turn to the side and then they'd screech - "HA HA HA! Look at THAT! You look like Kirk Douglas!"?).

And maybe I'm one of those who ages well - or well enough. Kinda like Terry Jones of Monty Python. He could dress himself up as the homeliest guy OR woman, in skits. But in later life, as I saw in what I think was a National Geographic series he hosted, he was actually rather handsome! And I do still have good skin - that was NOT one of my problems as a teenager. But hell, I'm in my early 60s now, and how I look no longer matters anyway. It never did to my husband, either. Actually, he thought I looked just fine - then AND now.

But lemme tellya - you haven't lived til you walk through the living room as a teenager, and notice your own father lowering his eyes as you pass, so he doesn't have to look at you.

[Hekate]

51. It's soul-destroying for girls ...

...to have their most important early relationships twisted like that. I'm glad your husband is so much better, and that you found the ncessary coping skills once you left home.

Part of me looks at pretty Tiffany and thinks she has no idea how lucky she was to be raised in California, away from the sickness that is her father's family. The body language of the "family" photos at the RNC seemed revealing to me: she stood apart from Ivana's Three, like the bastard at a family picnic, to use a very old fashioned phrase. For all we know (or not) she may yearn her whole life for a relationship that will never happen.

Then there's Ivanka. The more crap comes out about Donald's abuse of young women, piled in top of those creepy incestuous comments and photos of Donald about Ivanka, one begins to wonder just how far he actually got with her.

As long as he lives, Trump will "own" his kids -- in the worst psychological way.

[calimary]

55. I am SUPER lucky to have the guy I wound up with, Hekate! He passed my "condom test."

Okay, we're getting kinda personal here, but I would like to put this on the record, in case there are any younger women struggling with date/mate choices who might read this or someone here who did feels like it might be relevant to pass along.

He jumped more hurdles than just this one, but this one was KEY. Seems to me it tells a woman more - of the seriously significant things that really count - about a potential male partner than anything else. It's a challenge and a metaphor.

I didn't have that many lovers as a young woman. A few. But I put every one of them through "the condom test." I'd make that clear, at the point in the relationship where the activity or discussion started leaning toward sex. The deal was - I've learned I cannot handle "the Pill." My body and my mental equilibrium both go completely haywire. So if I was ever gonna have "fun", it would fall to my partner to handle this aspect of it. I was willing to explore pretty much any kind of "fun" but he'd have to provide the protection. If he was willing, as Hillary did during the debate, "WHOA! OKAY!" Shimmy-shimmy-shimmy-shimmy! If he wasn't, Buh-BYE. If he was willing, that told me he was far more likely to be generous and thoughtful and unselfish and considerate of other things that were also important to me, and he would make room in his agenda for me and mine. He would accommodate my wishes, needs, or concerns or my view of things. Any guy who refused or gave me an "I don't do that" told me that in other situations, it'd be all about him, my needs or concerns need not apply - and there'd be little sensitivity or thoughtfulness about taking what I wanted or needed into consideration. And it's hard to build a life together with somebody who's like that - if what you want is an equal, shared, hand-in-hand life-partnership.

I was surprised to see how much willingness there was. How there were a few who were happy to cooperate. I wasn't surprised by some others who just couldn't "lower" or "inconvenience" themselves because they had to be able to "feel it". Well, what about me? Where do I fit in there? I guess I don't. So okay for you, dude. Go be Donald Trump or something. My guy was SUPER eager to please in this regard, and he practically raided the drug store for a variety of - uh - samples to bring to the - uh - table, shall we say?

It's like having your own "Sorting Hat", with apologies to Harry Potter. The guy who says "yes" to this is WELL WORTH KEEPING - maybe even longterm! The guy who is unwilling - buh-BYE. You're too full of yourself and you just proved that there's no room in there for me.

My guy and I marked Year 40 together, a few months back, btw. It's still workin'!

[calimary]

57. And yeah, Hekate, I noticed that convention-night body language, too.

How Tiffany was either positioned behind the "A-team" or off at one end of the group of people. Harry Truman once said you should NEVER stand at either end of a group of people for a photo. If the photo has to be cropped to fit, guess who gets cut out?

[rug]

52. I have three daughters. You should make this an OP.

[area51]

67. I'm sorry you went through that.

[Ligyron]

68. You are a beautiful human being Calimary.

Every time I think about "looks" I'm put in mind of what Captain Ahab says to Starbuck in Moby Dick:


“Hark ye yet again,--the little lower layer. All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks."

Lots going on under the surface in that particular book...

[exboyfil]

4. As much as I would like the video to be clear

Could it not also refer to them getting married? I don't know the timeline - where they engaged at the time?

[PatSeg]

17. Maybe he was trying

to figure out who he could sue?

You are right, it is not clear what he meant by his words and there are plenty of real Trump scandals to focus on.

[meadowlark5]

26. That is very easily spinnable

That is such a vague question, no one will fully believe he was talking about abortion.

Does explain why he seems to ignore that particular child. You'd think all he has is those three androids that are always scowling around with their puckered lips.

[Rose Siding]

5. Inconclusive, imo

He could easily have been including abortion as one of the options, but he could pass off marriage/no marriage/moving in together/not acknowledging he was the father/her going away to give birth/adoption as what his question was addressing.

There's lots more conclusive evidence that he was pro choice before he pandered to the forced birth crowd than this.

[unblock]

6. guess we now have an idea why she is worth $1mm while his other kids are worth $150mm each.

[erpowers]

7. He Could Easily Spin This Clip

There are multiple ways Donald Trump could spin this clip. First, he could easily say he did not mention abortion. Second, he could say that he is proof that abortion should be banned. What if Tiffany had been aborted? Look at what Tiffany has become. She grew up to be a very beautiful woman who attended and graduated from The University of Pennsylvania. Now she has the ability to go on to either be a major part of the Trump Organization, or she could branch out on her own and create her own company. Trump could then say he has seen the error of his ways and he does not want another man to be able to make the same mistake he made, or almost made.

[LisaL]

8. It's not up to him on whether to have an abortion or not.

It's not his choice.

[spanone]

10. K&R...

[vlyons]

11. The more I learn about Trump, the more appalled I am.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at what levels of hypocracy Trump will sink. This man has not one shred of decency. I do not fault him for not wanting to father another child. I fault him for pretending to be ever so moral and decrying abortion as a choice for others to make. Frankly, I don't think that he really cares one way or another, except to pretend to be staunchly anti-abortion to pander to the RW christian fundie vote. We know that he will say anything, tell any lie that suits him in the moment. Deplorable.

[ailsagirl]

45. I know exactly how you feel

He's worse than I ever could have imagined (and that's saying a lot)

[lostnfound]

12. Please can we get him defeated without dragging this onto TV?

His innocent daughter does not deserve to have this played out in a 24 hour news cycle.

[maryellen99]

14. I agree but actions speak louder than words

I think she knows Trump didn't want her. It's obvious how he favors his other kids over her.

[elehhhhna]

16. unfortunately that horse has left the barn but I am horrified for his daughter

[Vilis Veritas]

15. I guess I don't see the direct link from quote to abortion

Ambiguous and unclear. There are always more than one choice.

Adoption.
Marriage
Have baby.
Etc...

Sorry for doing their spin work for them but this is just plain reaching conclusions without proof.

[Jon King]

18. Please, its clear

Looking at Trumps entire track record we know exactly what he meant. When told she was pregnant, his first reaction was "what are we going to do about this".

Thats not marriage thoughts and he certainly would not let a Trump be adopted which could come back to haunt him. His immediate thought was abortion.

[Vilis Veritas]

60. The only thing that is clear to me is he married her.

I don't like trump. We don't need ambiguous stories to win.

Regardless of what he may or may not have been implying, he ultimately married.

You want to play thought police? Go ahead.

I ain't got time for games.

[lonestarnot]

19. ackety

http://www.270towin.com/2016-countdown-clock/

[Chakaconcarne]

20. Let's please not go there...we can win this without going this low.

[riversedge]

21. I think the message is: Trump had a choice that he now does not want women to have.

[loyalsister]

33. Maybe to people who are pro choice already

The message to anti-choicers is Trump was anxious to encourage an immoral choice. We have had quite enough demonization of abortion. Buying into that narrative is a giant step backwards in the interest of promoting respect for women who make that choice.

[Jon King]

22. Sorry, too risky

If the risk was Romney being elected, maybe. But the risk of Trump being elected is too high. We have to hit low, high, everywhere to prevent it. Whatever it takes, even if it makes us cringe....the stakes are that high.

[HipChick]

28. The Low stuff does not work with Trump

He stays in the gutter...I don't see the point in bringing a knife to a gun fight, that is how we stay losing

[classykaren]

42. Yes I agree and feel sorry for Tiffany.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

62. Thank You!!!

I so agree, Chakaconcarne! Why drag his daughter into this. No child of a candidate deserves this..

[MrModerate]

23. We didn't need this to invalidate Trump. And neither does Tiffany Trump . . .

Who is an actual human person, in case anyone has forgotten.

[HipChick]

29. No one put the words in Trump's mouth..

[MrModerate]

44. Perhaps. But this clogs my ick-O-meter. n/t

[LynneSin]

37. If elected he could take away choice and healthcare especially for low income women

Wealthy don't need planned parenthood. They can pay a doctor to fix thei mistakes.

[HipChick]

39. It is so important to GOTV

[Dream Girl]

24. Nothing here way too ambiguous nt

[catbyte]

32. He IS political pornography--no redeeming social value, whatsoever.

[LynneSin]

36. Wealthy have no problem banning abortions

They have enough money to get rid of their mistakes

[Bernardo de La Paz]

38. Trump was for abortions before he was against them (to repurpose old Republican slur). . . . nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

40. Trump against jailing women, then for, then against, now for jailing women for abortions again. nt

[SleeplessinSoCal]

46. He flaunted Maples IN CHURCH!! His first public appearance before Ivana knew.

It makes me nuts because I saw them in the pew across from me. She looked sheepish, and he smug.

This was Marble Collegiate Church on 5th Avenue. It was like a coming out announcement for his mistress. He gloated. Several years later she got pregnant.

He's a pig.

[bench scientist]

48. there are no limits to his self serving hypocrisy.

I hope he is ruined financially and sent to prision( pick any of his crimes). Asshat.

[bmstee01]

54. I was talking to a conservative Christian lady

She was talking about how we need to take care of Americans first. I said, "like Jesus wanted?" She seemed confused

[Oneironaut]

61. Facepalmed in real life

[YOHABLO]

64. There is a human being in the room and her name is Tiffany. Hello, anyone?

I think it's very hurtful to this young woman. Shame on them for using this. I realize that Trumps misadventures and statements over the past 30 years are conspicuously being scrutinized, and I suppose all is fair when trying to point out hypocrisy, but we've got enough on Trump, we don't have to go there. We know the man is full of shit.

[WillowTree]

65. #1 - That may or may not have been what he meant. But #2.......

Who do you think is more hurt by publicly speculating about something like that, Donald or Tiffany?

I don't hate many things, but I hate shit like this. Shameful.

[Reece2076]

66. As much as I don't want to see a trump presidency..

this is just wrong. I get the point is to show trumped flip flopped on abortion. Or it's to show that he just became pro-life for this campaign, but there are other ways to do this without inflicting mental harm on his daughter. This is something you could expect from "conservatives", but us liberals and moderates are better than this.

[Gothmog]

69. Trump was pro-choice where it mattered

[sweet-salty]

70. Right to Choose to Abort Your Baby

I have been proliferation my entire adult life until recently taking a hard look at the rights that God has given us. He has given us the right to choose. The right to choose oranges or apples, to marry within our race/religions, work or be homeless and also this. It is our right to choose. Every choice comes with circumstances.

[uppityperson]

71. Welcome to DU. Are you now not pro-choice?

[fleabiscuit]

72. The rights in our Republic originate in the Constitution, including overlooking that.

It is certainly can be oranges or apples when examining other countries "rights." Welcome to DU.