Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:31 PM Oct 2016

DU Men, please enlighten us. What makes men like Donald Trump treat women with such

contempt and disrespect?

I know most of you aren't like this, but I thought maybe you might have known someone who was or might have some insight. For the life of me, I can't understand what would make a person be so hateful and cruel toward half the people on the planet. I'm not trying to get into a gender war, I would just like to know your opinion on what would make someone behave this way. It's really hurtful and very frightening that so many people seem to think that this kind of behavior is acceptable.

112 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
DU Men, please enlighten us. What makes men like Donald Trump treat women with such (Original Post) smirkymonkey Oct 2016 OP
It has always been a question for me... Though most of these cretins purport to adore their mothers. hlthe2b Oct 2016 #1
One-up manship cagefreesoylentgreen Oct 2016 #7
Yes, he has to "Win" against men, and degrade women. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #14
Trump's got some mommy issues poli-junkie Oct 2016 #2
That would be interesting. Anyone read a biography? smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #15
I tried tracking down some info a while back canetoad Oct 2016 #63
Now there is a hole in the market. I would think that is a book that would sell very smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #66
I heard Frontline had a very in-depth Jim Beard Oct 2016 #80
I would love to see that if you have a link. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #86
Linky justiceischeap Oct 2016 #93
Thanky! smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #95
It's really eye opening. nt justiceischeap Oct 2016 #96
Holy crap! smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #104
You're welcome. justiceischeap Oct 2016 #106
Donald told Ivana "He can't be sexually attracted to a woman who has had children" smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #102
tell us about locker room talks Skittles Oct 2016 #3
I don't know, I have never really been in one. I am sure they are filled with smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #17
Been in a lot of locker rooms over the years, never heard one guy brag about assaulting a women. bluesbassman Oct 2016 #52
Yes, a former supervisor used to brag... MicaelS Oct 2016 #67
Really small hands??? lindysalsagal Oct 2016 #4
You know what they say.... smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #19
He's always had a privileged life. lpbk2713 Oct 2016 #5
Only weak people need to see other people as inferior to make themselves feel better. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #20
He is a cruel, spoiled rotten ass who thinks he is entitled to anything he wants The Genealogist Oct 2016 #6
I suppose so, he treats everyone with contempt. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #12
Like I say, he undoubtedly thinks of women as just more property The Genealogist Oct 2016 #18
I have know men with privileged lives who have been perfectly lovely. Something else must be going smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #8
Medically speaking, volstork Oct 2016 #81
I agree. I don't know what the DSM diagnosis is, but I am sure there is a label for him. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #85
If you draw a Venn diagram volstork Oct 2016 #91
Because he can dembotoz Oct 2016 #9
No, just like some men are contemptible, so are some women. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #21
From a Buddhist perspective - vlyons Oct 2016 #43
I think you are right in saying that he is a truly unhappy, miserable person. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #73
We begin by calmly and clearly seeing that the problem is selfishness and that vlyons Oct 2016 #109
It's not unique to men, it just manifests itself in different ways Major Nikon Oct 2016 #10
You are right, he has always been enabled and nobody has ever challenged him. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #22
Change only happens when you really want it Major Nikon Oct 2016 #56
Well, that might change. As long as he stays in NYC. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #69
I don't think he has any friends Major Nikon Oct 2016 #100
That's the thing, too. If this was something that happened when he was 22 or so, MH1 Oct 2016 #27
His father got sick of his bullying and sent him to military school justiceischeap Oct 2016 #94
Back then people often sent their male children to military school to avoid reform school Major Nikon Oct 2016 #99
Many women seem to go for that sort of thing PSPS Oct 2016 #11
Most women grow out of it at a young age. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #24
It is not women's fault if men are abusive. gollygee Oct 2016 #30
Yea, deathrind Oct 2016 #88
I have see it too in the adult singles market at bars. Jim Beard Oct 2016 #111
Because they see women as... MicaelS Oct 2016 #13
Yup. Spot on. nt DLevine Oct 2016 #25
Ugh! I guess that's it. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #29
Sure they do. MicaelS Oct 2016 #51
My job takes me all around the country! imanamerican63 Oct 2016 #16
I guess he thinks it makes him look like more of a man, but it really does the opposite. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #32
I missed a word! imanamerican63 Oct 2016 #44
this is going to sound very classist dlwickham Oct 2016 #39
Very true! imanamerican63 Oct 2016 #45
I'm a man, but I can't help you. I can't even begin ... 11 Bravo Oct 2016 #23
I'm glad! Thank you! smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #31
Male Privaledge. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #26
Because he is an insecure asshole JDC Oct 2016 #28
Bottom line, yes. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #33
Base issue is insecurity. GaYellowDawg Oct 2016 #34
I suppose what it really comes down to is power. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #46
Narcissists can only feel gradiosity or humiliation Donkees Oct 2016 #35
If he's not humiliating someone, he fears he will be humiliated by them. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #49
small penises? dlwickham Oct 2016 #36
Well, some people say.... smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #47
He has a 12 year olds obsession with the playboy magazine The_Casual_Observer Oct 2016 #37
But he's 70 years old, for god's sake? smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #50
Ummmmmm..........yup dhol82 Oct 2016 #59
A wise man would know not to ever try a run like this . The_Casual_Observer Oct 2016 #61
A burning desire to compensate for his mother's dominance over him during his childhood. Trust Buster Oct 2016 #38
Some people get psychiatric help, some people run for president to prove smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #53
On FreeRepublic.com jamese777 Oct 2016 #40
He is anything but an alpha male. First of all, the concept of alpha and beta males is so smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #55
YES. GaYellowDawg Oct 2016 #60
Animal leaders gwheezie Oct 2016 #98
Good God. They sound like Tom Cruise's character in Magnolia. nolabear Oct 2016 #58
I can't claim to understand it. Mc Mike Oct 2016 #41
I'm glad to hear that. I didn't think all men behaved that way. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #62
I think mob pornographers do. Maybe some sleaze bag frats or athletic teams. Mc Mike Oct 2016 #77
How about socialization malaise Oct 2016 #42
Question would you ask DU woman to explain Paris Hilton? awake Oct 2016 #48
Does Paris Hilton abuse men? smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #64
My point has nothing to do with Paris or any other woman or man awake Oct 2016 #70
Not really. Most women don't really have it out for men. There isn't this underlying contempt smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #72
Do you realize how sexiest this sounds awake Oct 2016 #76
the word is SEXIST, not SEXIEST Skittles Oct 2016 #79
Thank you I am dyslexic and that is what my spellchecker came up with awake Oct 2016 #84
aw no problem Skittles Oct 2016 #87
Try a little expiriment for me. Go to any major new publication and read an article or smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #83
In no way have my posts intended as a personal atack on you awake Oct 2016 #89
if i were to utter such filth as a yungster, allan01 Oct 2016 #54
He's got a high school jock/bully personality that he's never grown out of davidn3600 Oct 2016 #57
I suppose all men go through this at a certain age, but don't you think by the age of 70 one should smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #65
A lifetime of Entitlement - Maine-i-acs Oct 2016 #68
He's a raging narcissist who inherited something like 100 million dollars. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #71
Well, I think he's in for a big surprise! smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #75
I don't want to chick any countens Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #90
Note to O.P. - uh, YEA, don't ask *US*/DUers this question. n/t UTUSN Oct 2016 #74
I remember a line from "Less Than Zero"… regnaD kciN Oct 2016 #78
Social Dominance DBoon Oct 2016 #82
He thinks all women are beneath him. ohnoyoudidnt Oct 2016 #92
An insanely privileged and entitled psychopathic narcissist in a shallow, misogynistic culture. YoungDemCA Oct 2016 #97
Emotional retardation Doodley Oct 2016 #101
So, anyone have a date on this little escapade? He was a NEWLYWED in 2005 Glitterati Oct 2016 #103
I've known so many like him, and they're all cowards. TonyPDX Oct 2016 #105
I tried to explain it yesterday Matrosov Oct 2016 #107
Thanks everyone for your input, I appreciate it! smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #108
I think at a primitive caveman level... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #110
Inherited sociopathy. roamer65 Oct 2016 #112

hlthe2b

(102,276 posts)
1. It has always been a question for me... Though most of these cretins purport to adore their mothers.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:37 PM
Oct 2016

How to explain it? But, yeah, like many women, I've known absolute creeps like this.

7. One-up manship
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:43 PM
Oct 2016

My experience has been that some men (and a few women I've known) always have to get in the last word, even if that last word is trying to top someone else's boast. Trump has always struck me as being that sort of guy.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
14. Yes, he has to "Win" against men, and degrade women.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:05 PM
Oct 2016

For some reason he thinks that is what makes him a man. It's funny because in the world I live in, the most respected men are gracious and kind toward both men and women and they are not only not looked at as weak, they are admired and respected.

canetoad

(17,160 posts)
63. I tried tracking down some info a while back
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:06 PM
Oct 2016

Wondering exactly the same thing. Couldn't find much on the web, no wikipedia entry.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
66. Now there is a hole in the market. I would think that is a book that would sell very
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:14 PM
Oct 2016

well. Any takers?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
86. I would love to see that if you have a link.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:56 PM
Oct 2016

How someone could become so twisted, so egomaniaical is just fascinating to me.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
95. Thanky!
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:12 PM
Oct 2016

Just getting into this, but it's fascinating. "Freddy just wasn't a killer". That says it all. What a sick family. I will continue to watch, but I am already kind of disgusted by the Trump family. Thank you for posting! Everyone should watch this!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
104. Holy crap!
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:54 PM
Oct 2016

I cannot believe this guy, I really can't. Thanks again for the link. I hope other people watch this.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
106. You're welcome.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:57 PM
Oct 2016

The thing is, I thought it was pretty even-handed so when you see the bad stuff about him, you just know that it's worse than they're portraying.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
102. Donald told Ivana "He can't be sexually attracted to a woman who has had children"
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:40 PM
Oct 2016

He is so disgusting, watching this is like watching a train wreck. Sickening, but you can't take your eyes off it.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
17. I don't know, I have never really been in one. I am sure they are filled with
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:07 PM
Oct 2016

this kind of stuff, but I suppose most males grow out of it by a certain age. Particularly if they are running for the highest office in the land.

bluesbassman

(19,373 posts)
52. Been in a lot of locker rooms over the years, never heard one guy brag about assaulting a women.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:50 PM
Oct 2016

Trump is a low life scum who couldn't get laid in a morgue if it wasn't for his money.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
67. Yes, a former supervisor used to brag...
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:18 PM
Oct 2016

About when he was in high school, he would take girls out into the rural areas, and tell them they could either walk home or "give it up".

This was late 70s and, by then he was in his 30s, and thought it was funny. So yes, some men do boast about assaulting women.

I was appalled, but to my regret I said nothing.


lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
5. He's always had a privileged life.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:41 PM
Oct 2016



And that makes it easy for him to regard most people as inferior to him. Especially women.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
20. Only weak people need to see other people as inferior to make themselves feel better.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:09 PM
Oct 2016

This is a clear indication of an inferior character.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
6. He is a cruel, spoiled rotten ass who thinks he is entitled to anything he wants
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:42 PM
Oct 2016

Money, property, acclaim, women (no doubt he thinks of women as property), he thinks it is just his for the taking. He is an awful, rotten, terrible, depraved person who has likely never had any real boundaries in his life, and the result is an utter, shameful lack of morals or ethics.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
12. I suppose so, he treats everyone with contempt.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:02 PM
Oct 2016

But he seems to reserve his especially hateful speech for women. He seems to rejoice in degrading them.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
18. Like I say, he undoubtedly thinks of women as just more property
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:08 PM
Oct 2016

Men like him think women are just here for the pleasure of men, to cook them meals, clean their houses, look pretty on their arms and function as repositories for their foul semen. Misogyny is an ugly, ugly thing, and Donald Trump is the poster child.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
8. I have know men with privileged lives who have been perfectly lovely. Something else must be going
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:47 PM
Oct 2016

on in that deranged little mind of his. A lot of privileged men are total dicks, I know, because they have never been taught to consider the feelings of others, but I don't think that privilege is the only reason. This guy is beyond anything I have ever seen. I wonder if it is because he really ISN'T privileged. He is rich, but he was never part of the true elite and maybe was always rejected by the truly privileged.

This is his revenge. The elite women rejected him and now he is taking his revenge upon all women. I don't know, it's just a theory. All I know is that this guy is seriously psychologically fucked UP.

volstork

(5,401 posts)
81. Medically speaking,
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:50 PM
Oct 2016

I truly think he is a sociopath, in addition to all that Genealogist enumerated. The cruelty is the most telling trait; it speaks to a lack of empathy and, therefore, a sick, sick mind.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
85. I agree. I don't know what the DSM diagnosis is, but I am sure there is a label for him.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:54 PM
Oct 2016

Sociopath, Narcissist, Borderline Personality Disorder - all three. Whatever, the guy is clearly mentally ill.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
21. No, just like some men are contemptible, so are some women.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:11 PM
Oct 2016

Most women I know aren't golddiggers. Most men I know aren't pigs. What i want to know is what makes men like Trump so cruel and hateful.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
43. From a Buddhist perspective -
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:36 PM
Oct 2016

It's just plain ol' selfishness. The greatest of all mental errors is ignorance that sees the "self" as real solid thing. Self as first and foremost. Everything else, people, possessions, beliefs are in service to said self. There's no room for compassion, but plenty of room for anger, when selfish desires are not met. The antidote to such selfishness is compassion for others and working for the benefit of others before one's self. When has Donald Trump ever sacrificed himself and his wants and desires for the benefit of others?

I know that I'll probably get dumped on by DUers for saying this, but - yes even people like Trump need our compassion. Trump is mired deeply in selfish ignorance. Someone so angry and selfish cannot be a happy person. Let Trump be a reminder that the people you met on the way up, and how you treat them on the way up, are the same people that you meet on the way back down. And they remember how they were treated. They remember if they were treated with disdain and contempt, or if they were treated graciously with compassion and friendliness.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
73. I think you are right in saying that he is a truly unhappy, miserable person.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:33 PM
Oct 2016

Happy people do not act this way. They just don't. It takes a really strong person, however to have compassion for someone like this. It's hard, because he is so destructive. I don't know what the answer is. Sometimes I think if we treat people like this with compassion they will just destroy us all. I just don't know. He is probably suffering, but we can't allow him to make the rest of us suffer along with him.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
109. We begin by calmly and clearly seeing that the problem is selfishness and that
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 11:07 PM
Oct 2016

he suffers greatly. His suffering is the result of his own thoughts, words, and deeds. A real, authentic Buddhist teacher could find the right words to get through to him. I'm not such a person. The best that I can do is to see how such negative karma bears fruit in such disasterous and unhappy outcomes. The path to becoming more enlightened is painful. We have to become very embarrassed and ashamed of the various selfish and hurtful things that we have said and done in the past, and truly repent them and make a serious commitment to not make those mistakes again.

I would argue that the way to not let him make us suffer is to have compassion for him. He is an excellent object lesson to all our young men and boys about how disrespecting women and girls is not funny and creates lots of trouble and problems for guys that engage in it. Trump is an object lesson in the virtues of practicing the golden rule. There's also the object lesson that money can't buy you happiness. Only following a moral code of integrity and holding good will and compassion in our hearts can being us peace of mind and happiness.

Too bad Trump can't spend some time with Jimmy and Roselyn Carter. Jimmy is a gentle man and a giant of a man, when it comes to character, compassion, and personal integrity. my 2 cents ...

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
10. It's not unique to men, it just manifests itself in different ways
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:58 PM
Oct 2016

Some people just never grow out of the behavior that was encouraged by their peers in grammar school. Virtually all men are exposed to reinforcement of that type of behavior at a very young age. Most develop the maturity to understand why it's wrong. Trump's bad behavior is not just limited to misogyny. He exhibits all sorts of other bad behaviors that were undoubtedly reinforced at a very young age and he lacked either the self discipline or mentorship, or both that could have corrected it.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
22. You are right, he has always been enabled and nobody has ever challenged him.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:14 PM
Oct 2016

I still think there is a deeper psychological reason. He is too old to be carrying on this way though. Most men would have mellowed out by the age of 70, but he is still acting like an 18 year old frat boy. I just can't understand how someone could not have matured at all after more than 50 plus years.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
56. Change only happens when you really want it
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:56 PM
Oct 2016

You don't have to be rich not to grow out of childhood bad behavior, but being born into money meant there were few consequences for Trump to have to deal with. So it's not as if his bad behavior is going to cost him any relationships that he can't simply replace with other people who stand to benefit by associating with him.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
69. Well, that might change. As long as he stays in NYC.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:18 PM
Oct 2016

He doesn't have a lot of friends there. And the more that comes out about the way he treats the people that he employs and does business with, sooner or later it's going to come back and bite him in the ass. Trust me, he has some very powerful, rich enemies in that city. Once this is all over, he is toast in that town.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
100. I don't think he has any friends
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:33 PM
Oct 2016

As far as I can tell he only has cronies who associate with him because it benefits them financially or in some other way. I think his own family only associates with him on the condition that the checks keep coming. Deep down inside I think he knows that.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
27. That's the thing, too. If this was something that happened when he was 22 or so,
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:19 PM
Oct 2016

it would be one thing. But, correct me if I'm wrong - this tape is from 2005??? 20-somethings are still growing up and some take a while to grow out of the b.s. they learned in grammar school, as you pointed out. And I guess I know that some men really don't grow out of it. But I don't expect the President of the US - or a nominee from a major party - to be drawn from that pool.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
94. His father got sick of his bullying and sent him to military school
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:08 PM
Oct 2016

this is talked about in Frontline's The Choice. One of his classmates was interviewed and said they learned about women and sex from other boys and Playboy. The classmate said the other boys outgrew that attitude but Donald embraced it.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
99. Back then people often sent their male children to military school to avoid reform school
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:28 PM
Oct 2016

...which was essentially prison for boys. I don't know if that's the case with Trump, but it wouldn't surprise me. Many people including Trump's father alluded to him being a rotten kid and Trump himself even seems to acknowledge it. He has always struck me as a spoiled rich kid that never grew out of being rotten to the core. I suspect his father was exactly the same way, but he simply masked his behavior by immersing himself in his work.

PSPS

(13,597 posts)
11. Many women seem to go for that sort of thing
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:01 PM
Oct 2016

I wish I had a nickel for every wonderful woman I've met over the years who was hooked up with someone like this.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
24. Most women grow out of it at a young age.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:16 PM
Oct 2016

Unless they have been extremely abused or are mentally ill in some way. The question really is, what is wrong with men that take advantage of the vulnerable?

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
88. Yea,
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:58 PM
Oct 2016

It is not a one way street. Trumps attitude I think is despicable and wrong on all levels towards women. But that does not diminish the fact that it is a candle that burns at both ends.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
13. Because they see women as...
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:02 PM
Oct 2016

Purely an object for their visual and sexual gratification. They don't see women as people with their own feelings, thoughts and needs. They look at women as trophies. Literally. Trump is wealthy enough that he doesn't think he has to take no for an answer.

And much of it is immaturity. They never grew out of adolescence, when the only thing that matters to many young males is "getting lots of p....&quot pardon the vulgarity). And boasting about their sexual activity as if it were a scoreboard. Not caring anything about the girls. It starts young, too. I remember one guy back in 7th grade (age 12-13). All he could talk about was that "he was not getting enough p....". He would say this in front of his "girlfriend".

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
29. Ugh! I guess that's it.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:22 PM
Oct 2016

Not seeing women as human. I suppose that is partly how they are raised and partly cultural. But some men rise above that.

imanamerican63

(13,790 posts)
16. My job takes me all around the country!
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:06 PM
Oct 2016

Last edited Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:37 PM - Edit history (1)

I drive a truck for a living and hear some of most egregious language from men and women. I guess you need to fit in with those around you. I look at it this way, I don't need to fit with these people. I rather stay to myself and then I feel better about myself. Trump was trying to show that he is big deal, which makes him a idiot my eyes!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
32. I guess he thinks it makes him look like more of a man, but it really does the opposite.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:24 PM
Oct 2016

It makes him look weak and pathetic.

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
39. this is going to sound very classist
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:32 PM
Oct 2016

I'm poor white trash and I'm used to people in my socioeconomic class using words like this but he's a fricking billionaire

I thought they were supposed to show some class and not use words like this

trash is trash no matter how much one is worth?

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
23. I'm a man, but I can't help you. I can't even begin ...
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:15 PM
Oct 2016

to wrap my head around that kind of misogyny and generally all-around shittiness.

GaYellowDawg

(4,447 posts)
34. Base issue is insecurity.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:28 PM
Oct 2016

He's a privileged asshole who likes to violate peoples' boundaries to demonstrate his wealth and power. And that comes across as objectification and harassment when it comes to women. Where the insecurity comes into it is, for some people, their wealth and power is enough. They don't have to constantly push it on other people. For someone like Trump, having the wealth and power isn't enough. He has to constantly remind people of it and has to constantly have people confirm it back to him. That's exactly what he was doing in the conversation.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
46. I suppose what it really comes down to is power.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:43 PM
Oct 2016

Most men would kick the shit out of him if he treated him that way, but he knows that he can get away with it with women because they are too afraid of what he will do to them if they push back. He is such a bully and a coward. It is only further proof of his cowardice and insecurity.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
49. If he's not humiliating someone, he fears he will be humiliated by them.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:45 PM
Oct 2016

It's a total defense mechanism. He fears women will laugh at him. The thing is, they do.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
37. He has a 12 year olds obsession with the playboy magazine
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:31 PM
Oct 2016

Vibe of the early 1960s, never grew out of it, and was able because of his wealth and power to indulge this fantasy without restraint his whole life.

This was covered nicely in the Frontline documentary last week.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
50. But he's 70 years old, for god's sake?
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:48 PM
Oct 2016

He should be a wise old man by now. Yet he acts like a 12 year old pre-pubescent boy. It's just creepy!

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
61. A wise man would know not to ever try a run like this .
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:05 PM
Oct 2016

His supporter mistake his insanity for some kind of half ass visionary.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
53. Some people get psychiatric help, some people run for president to prove
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:50 PM
Oct 2016

that they are the most YUUUGELY powerful man in the world. God, he needs some serious effing help.

jamese777

(546 posts)
40. On FreeRepublic.com
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:34 PM
Oct 2016

they are praising their candidate for being an "alpha male." Trump's behavior is primate dominance establishing.
Alpha (ethology): "In studies of social animals, the highest ranking individual is sometimes designated as the alpha. Males, females, or both, can be alphas, depending on the species. Where one male and one female fulfill this role together, they are sometimes referred to as the alpha pair. Other animals in the same social group may exhibit deference or other species-specific subordinate behaviours towards the alpha or alphas.

Alpha animals usually gain preferential access to food and other desirable items or activities, though the extent of this varies widely between species. Male or female alphas may gain preferential access to sex or mates; in some species, only alphas or an alpha pair reproduce."

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
55. He is anything but an alpha male. First of all, the concept of alpha and beta males is so
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:55 PM
Oct 2016

incredibly stupid I can't even express my contempt for it. Secondly, even if such a thing existed, Trump is so far from Alpha it's not funny. Compare him to a brave soldier who faces danger every day of his life. Trump would shit his pants after 5 minutes of combat. Everything was handed to him, he had to work for nothing. And everything that was handed to him, he squandered. He is the very definition of a loser. There is nothing manly, brave or superior about him. I have met homeless people with more character and fortitude than he has.

I could go on forever, but Trump is NO alpha male.

GaYellowDawg

(4,447 posts)
60. YES.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:04 PM
Oct 2016
First of all, the concept of alpha and beta males is so incredibly stupid I can't even express my contempt for it.


YES. A thousand times YES. And the rest of your post is spot on, as well.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
98. Animal leaders
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:14 PM
Oct 2016

Who live long don't provoke fights with the rest of the group. There's no such thing as an alpha. I've studied herd behavior for decades, leaders change, roles change, these dopey guys have no idea what they're talking about.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
58. Good God. They sound like Tom Cruise's character in Magnolia.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:00 PM
Oct 2016

Or the audience he railed to. I started to put up the YouTube video of Cruz's rant but I was so skeeved out already that I couldn't take it.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
41. I can't claim to understand it.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:34 PM
Oct 2016

I've been a construction worker for decades. It's a very rare occurence that I've heard guys talking like that on the sites.

There have been a few boy-men who have occasionally sunk to that level of disgusting, hatefilled swinishness, but it isn't standard practice. This is antecdotal, based only on my personal experience, but I've worked on more than a hundred job sites since '85.

Someone up thread said something that reminded me of what all commercial and industrial union electrician apprentices are taught, in classes about sexual harassment: "Would you say it if your mother, wife, daughter, or sister was around? Would you want someone to say it to your mother, wife, daughter, or sister?"

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
62. I'm glad to hear that. I didn't think all men behaved that way.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:06 PM
Oct 2016

It's nice to know that they don't.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
77. I think mob pornographers do. Maybe some sleaze bag frats or athletic teams.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:42 PM
Oct 2016

I can think of about 5 instances where someone was talking around me in this base, bottom of the evolutionary scale, vile, disgusting manner, over the years. When there were no women around.

And nobody ever said or did anything like that around our women co workers, in my presence, ever.
If they did, guaranteed I would tell them "I'll testify to exactly what you said, when the hearing occurs. I'll be happy to rat you out, scumbag."

awake

(3,226 posts)
48. Question would you ask DU woman to explain Paris Hilton?
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:45 PM
Oct 2016

I think any one here on this site knows this type of sexual abuse has to do with power and control of others. I do find it sexist to think that "men" on DU would have a special knowledge of Trump because of their shared gender.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
64. Does Paris Hilton abuse men?
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:09 PM
Oct 2016

I don't claim to know what Paris Hilton thinks, but she is a rich spoiled brat. However it has been reported that even SHE has changed her ways and she is half of Donald's age. Some people are able to mature out of their bad behavior and learn. Some aren't Donald has never grown and learned.

awake

(3,226 posts)
70. My point has nothing to do with Paris or any other woman or man
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:21 PM
Oct 2016

It was the part of the op that a ask DU men to explain the acts of Trump as if being a man gave them some special insight into Trumps actions. I used Paris Hilton as a example on how sexiest it is to assume ones gender would give anyone insight into the actions of someone else who shared the same gender.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
72. Not really. Most women don't really have it out for men. There isn't this underlying contempt
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:29 PM
Oct 2016

for men. There is a hatred for sexism, but that is a reaction. However, there seems to be something in the male psyche that is violently opposed to all things feminine. I am not saying that all men are like that, but I think that some men might just be able to offer some insight if they really think about it, that's all.

awake

(3,226 posts)
76. Do you realize how sexiest this sounds
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:39 PM
Oct 2016

"there seems to be something in the male psyche that is violently opposed to all things feminine"
Is as sexiest as someone saying "there seems to be something in the female psyche that is violently opposed to all things massqulain" or if one instead one said "there seems to be something in the white psyche that is violently opposed to all people who are not white" would be clearly raciest. I am not trying to atack you just trying to point how sexiest some of all of us can be heard even if we did not intend to.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
83. Try a little expiriment for me. Go to any major new publication and read an article or
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:52 PM
Oct 2016

opinion piece written by a woman. Or a person of color. Or a gay person. Or a trans person, etc. And then read the comment section. And then observe the incredibly HATEFUL comments below. Ad hominem attacks. Not about what the person has written, but attacks against the person themselves. And then come back and tell me that there is not a problem.

White men write article and while people may disagree with what they might say, they are not attacked for who they are, they are attacked for what they have said. They are not objects of hatred. That is the difference. Obviously you are a man, or else you would see the difference. I obviously will never get through to you because you will never see it. You don't want to.

awake

(3,226 posts)
89. In no way have my posts intended as a personal atack on you
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:59 PM
Oct 2016

I am trying to point out how assuming men should have some insight into Trumps mind is miss placed I would think than anyone one this site could add insight into Trumps actions. I live in Canada and resent when I as an American am ask to explain Trump I can only assume that men on DU would also feel the same being asked to explain Trump.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
54. if i were to utter such filth as a yungster,
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:53 PM
Oct 2016

id hear from the depths of the house ,,,,"allan egleston,,, im going to wash your mouth out with soap". ( my late mom) ( shed do it too .) very dispciable . note : a jerk is a jerk.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
57. He's got a high school jock/bully personality that he's never grown out of
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:59 PM
Oct 2016

They are guys who have very large egos. And yeah, like Trump himself said it's "locker room banter." They think this type of talk makes them look cool and more powerful in the eyes of other men. It's a pecking order type of thing in their mind.

But our society encourages this. These type of guys you find are treated like gods. Society views them as the winners. They are extremely popular in their social circles and they always have a girl on their shoulder. They feel as if they can get anything they want. No one talks down to them. Society also encourages men to have as much sex as possible.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
65. I suppose all men go through this at a certain age, but don't you think by the age of 70 one should
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:13 PM
Oct 2016

have grown out of it? I mean, this is just gross. It's creepy. Not only that, but if you aspire to the role of a statesman, you need to behave in a certain manner and this is NOT it. He is socially clueless. I don't care how sexually active you are, but at some point in your life and at some point in your professional career, you learn to be discreet. He has never learned that. He is just a disgusting pig, that is all there is to it.

Maine-i-acs

(1,499 posts)
68. A lifetime of Entitlement -
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:18 PM
Oct 2016

Constantly surrounded by people who swear that he s**ts ice cream.

People who say, pretend, or even believe that he is the greatest thing ever. Many of whom are paid well to say, pretend and believe it. Makes him feel like he actually is.

These suckups satisfy Trump's every perverse desire in order to step into the stench of his phony fame.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
71. He's a raging narcissist who inherited something like 100 million dollars.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:26 PM
Oct 2016

I mean, I don't think most of us can even come close to comprehending the warping of reality that grows out of being that ridiculously rich. He's NEVER had anyone around him, at least not since adulthood, who wasn't paid well enough to smoochy-smooch his ass all day and night long.

So he already thinks he's fucking awesomer than Batman, and he's surrounded by people who have a vested financial interest in adoring the shit of him and pretending like every booger that comes out of the dude's nose is a pure golden ingot.

You take someone who was probably basically decent to begin with but with some underlying mental and/or emotional issues, and run their life through that kind of scenario, and you come out with Michael Jackson.

Put a selfish egomaniac into that bizarro reality, and you get Trump.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
75. Well, I think he's in for a big surprise!
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:39 PM
Oct 2016

Politics is a completely different ballgame than business. Nobody is going to kiss his flabby ass anymore, even if he does win. He won't be able to stand the heat, especially in the international arena. He might have scores of yes men on his campaign, but if he makes it, those days are over forever. He will never be able to endure the pressure. We will see exactly what he is made of.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
78. I remember a line from "Less Than Zero"…
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:44 PM
Oct 2016

…about a rich kid who drugged, tortured, and raped an underage girl. When asked why he, who had everything, would do something like that, his reply was that "I have everything…except something to lose." I think there's a certain mindset among the ultra-rich that they aren't really privileged unless they can flout the most basic standards of human civility, and demonstrate to themselves that they can get away with it.

DBoon

(22,366 posts)
82. Social Dominance
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:52 PM
Oct 2016

Being the alpha primate gives you reproductive rights to all females, as well as the license to humiliate all your subordinate male rivals.

A very brutal and subhuman sense of social hierarchy in other words

ohnoyoudidnt

(1,858 posts)
92. He thinks all women are beneath him.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:02 PM
Oct 2016

Probably even a well educated and successful woman is beneath any male
in his mind. IMHO

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
97. An insanely privileged and entitled psychopathic narcissist in a shallow, misogynistic culture.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:14 PM
Oct 2016

That's about the best I can come up with for an explanation for Donald J. Trump.

There are a disturbingly large number of men like him out there, too (though by no means, anywhere close to a majority of men). He's just an extremely prominent example of one.

I will say this, though as a young man myself, I've heard some of my peers say things that, while not as extremely disgusting, offensive, or frankly, horrifying as what Trump said/says and does, still disturb me. While comments as shockingly vulgar and sociopathic as Trump's are rightfully condemned, there is still a hell of a lot of room between Trump's language and behavior and treating women with the basic respect that they are entitled to not merely as women, but as human beings - with all of their strengths and weaknesses, positive traits and negative traits, and other quirks and imperfections - and perhaps most importantly, as individual human beings, differentiated from each other in many ways, yet still sharing the same basic human nature. And I'm afraid that far too many of us men are not doing the latter, even those of us whom loath Trump as much as anyone. Lotta work to do.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
103. So, anyone have a date on this little escapade? He was a NEWLYWED in 2005
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:49 PM
Oct 2016

He married Melania in January 2005.

So, he's a newlywed and trying to "bed" another woman?

Imagine being Melania Trump right now...........

 

Matrosov

(1,098 posts)
107. I tried to explain it yesterday
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:58 PM
Oct 2016

but my post was hidden for being overly graphic. All I did was try to explain how men like Trump view women, as inanimate sex objects, nothing more.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
108. Thanks everyone for your input, I appreciate it!
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 11:03 PM
Oct 2016

Sorry if I didn't reply to you personally, I am tired and am going to sleep, but it has been an interesting conversation. Please watch the video that justiceischeap has posted. It is very eye opening. Thanks again for your comments!

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
110. I think at a primitive caveman level...
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 11:19 PM
Oct 2016

women are thought of as a means of reproduction- survival of the species. A lot of men have never evolved past that point. Some people are nothing but pure Neanderthals.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»DU Men, please enlighten ...