Michael Moore in TrumpLand on YouTube --- ENJOY!

[major debacle]

[malaise]

1. Wow!

Thank You

[elleng]

2. GREAT!

Thanks, major debacle! Something to do tonight!

[ronnie624]

3. Sweet!

Thanks.

[RKP5637]

4. Thanks for posting this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[manicraven]

5. Watched via iTunes - FANTASTIC

I actually choked up during part of it. LOVED it!

[jberryhill]

10. The difference being that MM got paid when you watched

But he has enough money, so fuck it, let's steal his work.

And fuck everyone involved whose pay depends on paid viewers.

[MADem]

12. He was running around telling everyone that HRC was going to LOSE.

He was depressing the vote. Making plenty off of doing that, too. Went on television shows, and talked up THIS shit:


http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/


Now that she's scored a triple KO in the debates on the orange asshole, he's suddenly on the Hill Train. He's late to the fair and I really don't feel sorry for him. He's making money off of Clinton's hard work with his slapped-together "film," after he spent no small amount of time screeching that the sky is falling and HRC was toast. I think his ex may have had a point.

[jberryhill]

13. So fuck him and everyone who worked on the film?

So it's okay to steal his work?

It's okay to fuck everyone and anyone who is getting paid based on sales?

Fuck the theater owners who booked a movie that's free on YouTube?

Can we go into Trump Tower and break stuff?

This is theft.

YouTube will probably have it down pretty quickly

[MADem]

26. He's profiting off of a situation he participated in creating.

I watched it--it's about worth what I paid for it.

It is a full-throated, let-me-on-the-bandwagon, defense/endorsement of HRC, though it takes a long while to get to that point. It has a dash of snark, a dash of kumbaya, and no small measure of detachment.

It's up to YT to take it down--for all we know, it's posted with his permission. I believe he's put other films up on YT.

[JI7]

38. if it's like that video he made close to the 2012 election i don't think i would really have much

interest in it.

[MADem]

41. He makes a long argument for HRC.

Some of it is compelling, some of it is kind of boring, some is just irritating. It takes a while for him to get warmed up.

For people who like him, and like his storytelling style, they'll enjoy it. For those who have made up their mind and intend to vote for HRC, well, watch the last half and you'll get the best bits, IMO.

[deathrind]

39. Yep...

But apparently since he suppprted Bernie that makes it ok to do.

The mental twister of justification being played is amusing to read.

[ronnie624]

21. He was far more likely trying to motivate Democratic voters.

Your claims are baseless.

[MADem]

27. It's an appeal to BOB's, Libertarians, Greens, and disaffected "Hillary Haters" from

all parties, as well as a slice of Republican/Trump voters. It's a cross between "do your duty and make history" and "hold your nose and vote" type exercise.

My claim isn't baseless--I actually watched the thing. It starts out very slow, and about half way through it starts to gel.

[Warren DeMontague]

36. And to that effect, more power to him.

Presumably this place isn't the target audience anyway.

[brush]

79. Yes, especially millennials who don't know what Hillary has done and gone through

[treestar]

15. He can have it taken down

with his high profile especially. You tube will take down anything copyrighted. In fact I added a song I bought to an iMovie and it got taken down.

[jberryhill]

16. Without getting into the weeds...

That music was automatically detected by a system specifically set up to recognize the music from a database set up and designed for that purpose. This sort of thing has to be done manually.

Someone went through a lot of trouble to get this uploaded to YouTube and put on social media like DU in the hope that it will economically harm Moore and everyone else involved in the film revenue stream. And they are laughing about it right now.

[ronnie624]

18. Thanks. I won't watch it, in that case.

I'll wait and pay for it.

[jberryhill]

19. It's on iTunes for 4.99

[MADem]

31. He's been holding free screenings all over the country.

He says he wants everyone to see it.

[jberryhill]

48. The theaters get paid for those screenings

Promotional screenings are normal.

But you are fine with him signing to book the movie for paid showings, and then fuck the theater owners by giving it away on YouTube.

This YouTube user also has a full episode of South Park. I guess he's got a deal with Comedy Central too. Ummmm.... no.

[MADem]

64. I don't work for YT. Go on and report the guy, if it makes you feel better.

I am not going to presume or characterize someone I don't know, but I can't stop you from doing that. For all you or I know, he posted that with permission.

If you google the title, all you get is information about FREE showings all over the country....as for the theater, who pays them? Moore? The DNC? The HRC campaign? Who? Or maybe they donate their space?

"Promotional" showings only work before a wide release. This ain't Star Wars. It has an expiration date, and that date in 9 November. This is too short for a real movie, too. This is a ONE HOUR and ELEVEN minute political ad of sorts. THAT's why he's offering it for free--it's an opinion and he wants to stay relevant in the "opining" field. He's seeding that field in anticipation of future documentaries for which he can charge, on the lines of Columbine and others.

[Warren DeMontague]

35. are you sure about that?

I think it's entirely possible that Moore himself wanted to put it out there.

[jberryhill]

49. I'm pretty sure about that

I'd advise the theater owners who booked the film to sue him if he did that.

I do not find the user account "Tamarind Curry Coconut Sauce" to likely be authorized to post this film or to post a full episode of South Park.

[Warren DeMontague]

52. Tamarind Curry Coconut Sauce does sound pretty fuckin good, though.

[jberryhill]

53. Yeah, my mouth watered. Throw in some lime

Another problem with giving it away for free is that it has a defined value.

If it is, as said here, an extended pitch for Hillary, and thus an in-kind campaign contribution?

Or is Citizens United okay when it's among friends?

[Warren DeMontague]

54. So you'd, what, put the lime in the coconut?

I guess after that you drink it all up.

[jberryhill]

55. Only after consulting with my physician

[Dr. Strange]

74. Well, don't forget: the first Citizens United case involved Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_9/11_controversies#Citizens_United.27s_FEC_challenge

Which is what led to the second CU case. Based on those, I'm sure Moore's latest film is safe, even if it is an extended pitch for Hillary.

[hlthe2b]

62. I think that is highly probable too.

[Warren DeMontague]

37. I wouldn't assume it's stolen without knowing for sure.

I've seen bands put singles out for free and also have them on itunes for a charge. Doesn't mean they weren't okay with both.

[jberryhill]

46. You would assume Moore is fucking over the independent theater operators?

This is not at all like a band giving away a song for free.

Moore's distributor signed contracts with independent theaters - small community businesses - to show this film.

...and then turned around and fucked them.

That's the alternative hypothesis.

And that's why the same account also has a full episode of South Park posted?

Yeah, right.

[Warren DeMontague]

47. Okay.

another hill I'm not sure I want to die on. If you say so, I'll take your word for it.

Still, it seems to me it's hard to make both arguments at the same time: "Don't rip off MM by watching this for free" and "MM is an ass for charging 4 bucks on itunes for it". One or the other, maybe.

[jberryhill]

50. I don't think Abbie Hoffman wanted his book stolen

[Warren DeMontague]

51. Abbie Hoffman was overrated

I'm more the Wavy Gravy type, myself.

[LanternWaste]

66. you then are unable to imagine more than two hypotheses in the scenario?

All things being equal, you then are unable to imagine more than two hypotheses in the scenario? Are these two (and only two) hypotheses predicated on mere assumption, or objective evidence you'll allows us?

I'm going with "you're simply guessing..."

[Lucinda]

6. Thank you!

[handmade34]

7. k&r

[AmericanActivist]

8. Thanks for the info about MM in Trumpland on YouTube :) nm

[jberryhill]

9. Did Michael Moore authorize this?

I mean seriously. Fuck Michael Moore charging $4.99 to watch on iTunes.

[ScienceIsGood]

78. He should not get paid? N/t

[Cha]

11. Wow.. I will be seeing this when I get back

home!

Thank you, major!

[Divine Discontent]

84. it got really powerful half way through and I watched it in one straight view! Very impressive...

[femmocrat]

14. K & R

Wow! Thanks so much!

[bushalert]

20. Just watched. Great film. Go Hillary...nt

[teach1st]

22. Whether or not this was authorized

It was a a great film.

I fully intend to pay for it, but not at the Apple Store.

[Johnny2X2X]

23. Powerful

Where is the memorial for the 1,000,000 Americans who have died because they don't have health care since Hillary first tried to introduce Universal Health Care in 1996. They'd be alive if we had listened to her.

And it's emotional because he's right, we all know someone who has died or has gotten really sick because they couldn't afford care. My wife's father died because he couldn't afford treatments for espophigial cancer, he was sent him from the hospital to die after he and his wife had sold everything they had and went another $60,000 in debt to try to save him. He died knowing that everything he worked for had been sold and the security he had tried to provide for his wife was gone.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

24. NICE!!!!!!!!!!

And, to anyone who pissed and moaned about it being on iTunes for 5 bux, Shut. UP.

[AwakeAtLast]

25. Bookmarking

Thanks!

[doc03]

28. Thanks, I enjoyed it. One comment though wasn't he a Hillary hater

a couple months ago? Maybe not a hater but a rabid Sanders supporter.

[Moonwalk]

59. He says at the beginning he's not a Hillary voter....

...different from being a Hillary hater. You can believe someone else has views closer to your own and will be a better president while not hating the other candidate. As many Clinton voters here had no animosity towards Bernie, and many Bernie voters had no animosity towards Clinton, however deeply attached they were to Bernie/Clinton.

We tend to forget, given what we saw from those with fiercer feelings ("I'll never vote for Hillary!&quot and given how we all feel about Trump, who has made himself quite hateful, that it isn't really common to "hate" the other candidate...just to not want them for president (or whatever they're running for).

[doc03]

69. He said he is not a Hillary voter? Why in the

hell did he do the show about Hillary and who the hell would he be voting for?

[Moonwalk]

72. He says he's never BEEN a Hillary voter, but yes, yes, AND YES! he will be voting for her now....

Did you watch it? He voted for Obama in 2008 and was for Bernie this year. Bernie and Obama were, he thought, more in line with his politics than Hillary. In the film, this becomes important as he asks Trump voters and independents in the audience why they're not voting for her. He wants them to talk to him about it, and they're more more willing to do so when he reminds them that he didn't vote for her in the last election or primary.

But he is now a stanch Hillary supporter. A convert, it you like, who is now sincerely, genuinely, fervently for her, and has made this film to cheer her on and try to convert more voters. You seem upset that he wasn't always in her corner. Why? I think it's good that he's honest about his voting record. It allows him to go through his conversion to Hillary--from doubter to believer--and bring the audience (some of whom are doubters) along with him. He wouldn't be able to do that if he had always been a Hillary supporter and voter.

[Snake Plissken]

30. I just got through watching it and it left me feeling sad the Republicans put so much energy

into destroying people who oppose them and so little energy in helping people who elected them

Hillary really is tough as nails and she is going to make one badass President because as she walked through the valley of the shadow of death, she not only feared no evil, she kicked ass and took names.

[Festivito]

32. Funny. Engaging. Not too heavy. Not depressing. Clear. Good insight. Worth the time.

Glad, though, that I can listen on Youtube at 1.5 speed. Probably could have set it at 2, but would not want to miss anything.

[LostinRed]

33. Watched first 15 min

Not only because I agree it is stolen content but also it is boring. And not funny. Does it get better? I'll watch it if it goes up on Netflix or amazon prime.

[Egnever]

40. Agreed he is not a comedian.

hoping ten minutes in it gets better.

[pklaz96]

57. Watch it!

So worthwhile
Gets better and better.

[Egnever]

70. I tried

it was just too painful

[MADem]

65. The first fifteen minutes are the worst, IMO. It very slowly gets better.

I can, though, think of better ways for a Democrat to spend their time.

[elmac]

34. The guys a genus

love his logic about HRC having her Pope moment, makes perfect sense.

[Lint Head]

42. Loved it!!!!

THANK YOU!!!!!!

[Sunlei]

43. Well done, I loved it!

[kentuck]

45. I watched the entire film.

He spoke very well of the Millennials.

Thought-provoking.

[Sunlei]

63. Me too, I thought Moore was excellent. He chose a very tough audience, a small pro trump town.

Once she is elected and finally 'free' to govern like a president, we Americans will see a very positive side-the best of Hillary

[lillypaddle]

56. Wow

I saw how long it was, and thought that maybe I'd watch a minute or two ... well, here I am at 2:00 am, after having watched the entire thing. I thought it was pretty great. Don't know what I expected, but I was very pleasantly surprised.

I thought I saw a change in the audience. Did anyone else?

Good job, Michael Moore. No, EXCELLENT job!

[Warpy]

58. I got more of a kick out of this than I expected to.

He's seen the same rage I have that is making otherwise nice people want to elect a wrecking ball in the hope he'll knock over the system that has fucked them over for 40+ years. Hell, during that part of the video, I almost wanted to vote for a wrecking ball, too, just not a dimwit like Trump.

However, we've got Clinton and we can survive Clinton. I doubt we can survive a narcissistic madman like Trump.

So i'll be voting for Hillary Clinton this week.

[SamKnause]

60. Thank you so much for posting the video.

It was excellent !!!

I think he changed the minds of some of the people in the audience.

[hlthe2b]

61. cool! Thanks! BTW, I wonder if they charged the attendees....?

I just find it hard to believe most Trump supporters would have been willing to pay admission to see Michael Moore....

[major debacle]

67. As I understand it 400 tickets were given out free

Not sure if that was the total number in attendance, or if some paid

EDIT: After checking, it appears that the 400 free tickets I referred to were given out for the premier of the movie in New York City, not for Michael Moore's performance in Wilmington, Ohio upon which the movie was based. After some brief searching I have not yet found out how the attendees to his live performance were selected or whether they were charged.

[SamKnause]

68. The announcements made by Michael on Twitter

stated the tickets were free.

[OregonBlue]

71. That was just wonderful. Thank you.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

75. I'll have to check it out when I have the time.

Thanks for posting.

[Divine Discontent]

82. really gets rolling bigly half way through and he truly does a great job humanizing her

[tavernier]

76. Very enjoyable

Thanks!

[Divine Discontent]

83. Michael is great, but even I was impressed with his defense of what she did to try and help America

and the 2nd half is excellent. I bet he convinced 4 or 5 Trump supporters or leaners. If that is 3% of his supporters, who watch this, that could be tens of thousands of votes by election day. I feel like sending the link to certain people I know. lol

[ScienceIsGood]

77. So nice to steal his content! N/t

[Stuart G]

80. k and r...nt

[Divine Discontent]

81. "Mexicans up there, don't forget to pay! We gotta pay for that wall!"

[Old Vet]

85. One of the most moving parts for me was the story about the Dr. in Estonia.........

[Sunlei]

86. That part about 20 years ago in Estonia was very moving! I think MM changed that entire small town.

IMO, changed them for the better just with a couple small 'humanizing' facts. It will be interesting to see how that small town votes now. They may always be a 'republican' town, IMO many more will vote for Hillary instead of Trump.

[mnhtnbb]

87. Just finished watching it--GREAT!

What a masterful performance. Well done.

[LeftInTX]

88. Glad it's on YouTube

Will it get taken down?

Good news, it will reach people who aren't willing to pay for it on itunes. Hope it stays up until the election. It can sway some voters. Especially young adults.