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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 12:48 PM Oct 2016

The Real Trump Is Revealed In His Handwriting. And It Is Very Ugly.

I was trained as a master handwriting analyst and practiced the skill in the 1980's & 1990's. Graphoanalysis is different than "forensic handwriting analysis" in that it delves into the personality structure of the writer rather than the "questioned document" discipline. Personality profiling through handwriting does work when applied properly.

I had seen Mr. Trump's writing many years ago. His handwriting and how he acts is consistent with his handwriting all those years ago and even today. Even though he is very analytical it is a negative because the structure shows what I call "shark's teeth". His signature look like a saw or teeth with sharp, deep and very sharply defined angles. Plus he have extremely deep prejudices and physical appetites. And his writing shows how dangerous he is. In the "art of the deal" with Trump you get shredded and bloodied when dealing with him. He is a very sadistic critical person on a one to one level.

The Donald is actually very bright. Yet his intelligence is muted by his inability to control his feelings and emotions. As has been revealed his sexual appetite is out of control. He cannot help himself. He has a sharp temper and extremely vengeful. He is actually more dangerous than he even appears in this campaign. He is the loose cannons of loose cannons. And he is able to con people into following him with his sly and conniving manner. The narcissistic charge is well founded as well. That trait adds to the danger because he is not controllable nor accountable for any of his actions in his mind.. He is manipulative enough to get his way.

Trump is not as impulsive as one might think. He does plot and plan. He has agendas. And there is a deliberateness in his thinking even though it might not seem so. He gets into trouble because even the slightest criticism sends him into a rage.

When I look at Trump he is very much like Napoleon. He is not really crazy but he is on the edge of it. He has delusions of grandeur yet to be revealed. He demands complete loyalty. Any wavering guarantees punishment. The problem with Trump is that his emotions are out of control.

The handwriting of Trump is consistent with what we see in this campaign. His handwriting reveals that he is much more of that.
The brutal truth is that the handwriting itself says that one must run away from him as fast and as far as you can.

Now I have studied handwriting analysis since the 1960's and became a certified analyst under IGAS. Though many people doubt its accuracy, from my experience it does reveal a lot as long as the proper procedures are followed.

ADDENDUM: Trump's writing has many of the same characteristics as Henry VIII, Stalin, Napoleon, Hitler, Some Nazi generals, Mussolini. For some reason individuals with such deep deep prejudices and emotions aligned with loyalty, and sadism are able to stir people to follow them even to the worse parts of humanity.

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The Real Trump Is Revealed In His Handwriting. And It Is Very Ugly. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Oct 2016 OP
Stopped reading at "Donald is actually very bright" nt DURHAM D Oct 2016 #1
I would have stopped there too. Charles Bukowski Oct 2016 #5
Yep. Me too. cwydro Oct 2016 #14
i bet he was 'brighter' years ago. before fux gnewz. seems to drain the IQ. makes conservatives pansypoo53219 Oct 2016 #15
Actually, I think he's intelligent. I noticed it during the debates. yardwork Oct 2016 #18
Handwriting analysis: pseudo science like anti vaxxers. Mika Oct 2016 #2
Yes, but both a Phrenological analysis of his head bumps and his palm's life line reveal... Bucky Oct 2016 #4
What does your handwriting say about you? (internet quiz) femmocrat Oct 2016 #7
Surprisingly The Evaluation Was Consistent With Graphoanalytic Principles. TheMastersNemesis Oct 2016 #9
Mine. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #23
Other Aspects Of Trump Is That He Has A Very Rigid Inflexible Personality. TheMastersNemesis Oct 2016 #10
I Was Originally Skeptical Of Handwriting Analysis Until I Studied And Used It. TheMastersNemesis Oct 2016 #11
I wish this had been a blind test. ginnyinWI Oct 2016 #12
A Blind Test Would Have Revealed The Same Thing TheMastersNemesis Oct 2016 #20
Woo is you. GeorgeGist Oct 2016 #13
I don't doubt that Dump is intelligent. Nitram Oct 2016 #16
This is interesting to me. Thanks for posting. yardwork Oct 2016 #19
How does it account for psychological and physical changes over time and other issues? nolabear Oct 2016 #21
Handwriting Is Consistent Through Time. TheMastersNemesis Oct 2016 #24
Graphoanalysis Has Its Limits. Knowing What It Can And Cannot Do Is Crucial. TheMastersNemesis Oct 2016 #22
Most historians agree canetoad Oct 2016 #25
His Cause Of Death Is Revealing I Will Take Your Word For It. TheMastersNemesis Oct 2016 #28
Another pseudoscience. May as well use tea leaves and make the sign of the evil one. CBGLuthier Oct 2016 #26
Junk science wheniwasincongress Oct 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author TheMastersNemesis Oct 2016 #31
I Will Likely Delete This OP Soon. I Have Learned A Lot From The Discussion. TheMastersNemesis Oct 2016 #32
Handwriting Analysis Has Not Been Scientifically Proven At This Point. TheMastersNemesis Oct 2016 #30
Just out of interest brettdale Oct 2016 #33
THANKS for posting this, very interesting! nt Raine Oct 2016 #34
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Charles Bukowski

(1,132 posts)
5. I would have stopped there too.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 01:01 PM
Oct 2016

There has been nothing to suggest that Trump is anything but a dullard.

pansypoo53219

(20,976 posts)
15. i bet he was 'brighter' years ago. before fux gnewz. seems to drain the IQ. makes conservatives
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 02:09 PM
Oct 2016

squirrely in the head.

yardwork

(61,607 posts)
18. Actually, I think he's intelligent. I noticed it during the debates.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 04:17 PM
Oct 2016

But his intelligence is useless because of the personality deficits. This analysis matches my assessment of Trump based on watching the three debates.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
2. Handwriting analysis: pseudo science like anti vaxxers.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 12:53 PM
Oct 2016


If anti vaxxers are to be discounted for their lack of scientific proofs, then handwriting is in the same range. Like hair analysis.



Bucky

(54,005 posts)
4. Yes, but both a Phrenological analysis of his head bumps and his palm's life line reveal...
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 12:59 PM
Oct 2016


totally... aliens (and I assume that some of them are good people)

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
7. What does your handwriting say about you? (internet quiz)
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 01:04 PM
Oct 2016
http://interactive.sun-sentinel.com/handwriting-personality-quiz/

(Me: You are a people person with a nice balance between your head and your heart. You have a hopeful attitude. You have practical goals. You are discreet and value silence. You notice everything and pay great attention to detail. You are a careful, methodical thinker. You are an analytical thinker, often questioning everything. )
 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
9. Surprisingly The Evaluation Was Consistent With Graphoanalytic Principles.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 01:13 PM
Oct 2016

The method I learned was copyrighted Graphoanalysis held by the International Graphoanalysis Society. I am not sure who owns it now but it was started by M. N. Bunker in 1929 after years of study and testing. He created a method that is consistent. I believe IGAS has a web site. I have not been a member for 20+ years. I do not practice it but I still look at writings now and then.

There is also the study of graphology. Graphology is less consistent and there are many books out on it. Graphology is popular in Europe or used to be. And it was widely used there. I studied graphology originally but the books were inconsistent and sometimes handwriting and their structures were ambiguous and contradictory.

BTW Handwriting analysis goes back to the Victorian period. It became more of a study under the French. Stanford or Binet even delved into trying to validate some of handwriting analysis principles. At some point in time handwriting analysis was called graphology.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
23. Mine.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 06:39 PM
Oct 2016
You are sensible. You are even tempered and rational. You have practical goals. You are discreet and value silence. You notice everything and pay great attention to detail. You are a careful, methodical thinker.


I take it with a grain of salt, however.

EDIT: Double-majored in math and physics years ago.
 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
10. Other Aspects Of Trump Is That He Has A Very Rigid Inflexible Personality.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 01:27 PM
Oct 2016

I know that what I am saying is a real stretch for a lot of people. I met and knew a fellow who knew the founder of IGAS personally. That is the analysis method I was trained in . This individual was the top "forensic document examiner" in the country who was frequently used by the local police and FBI. He had decades of experience. He was also a certified handwriting analyst and worked with troubled youth in the 1950's & 1960's matching police and probation officers with troubled youth through handwriting analysis. .

I went back an looked him up many years later after he had given a morning seminar to our 6th grade class. He was 82 when I visited with him. He passed at 86. Was retire but still getting cases from FBI. He has a state of the art "questioned document lab".

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
11. I Was Originally Skeptical Of Handwriting Analysis Until I Studied And Used It.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 01:30 PM
Oct 2016

Of all the analyses I have done no one I worked with ever questioned what I told them. I was always careful to phrase things in the right way. Sometimes there were things that a person would not want to hear. How you practice and how you say things is very crucial and how you evaluate is crucial. I always reveal what I am certain is correct.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
20. A Blind Test Would Have Revealed The Same Thing
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 06:25 PM
Oct 2016

It is hard to explain how evaluation is done. It takes time to learn the process. I took two courses over 3 years which can be completed quicker if you want to go faster. It takes a long time to develop an eye for the signs. I took the Master course and it was very difficult because you have to look. I also worked with another master analyst with 30 years experience and some of the things she could determine was shocking.

We also had an abused lady with many years experience who specialized in working with writings that showed sexual abuse and incest. She was a victim herself. And the signs are there when you know what to look for. But you must look at a lot of samples of writing where there is abuse.

Let me explain Trump. First of all his M's and N's and like letters are very angular. Such forms show analytical thinking. Now what makes his writing more problematic is the angles are sharp and look like daggers. Also his signature is a succession of angles looking like a saw or shark's teeth. Secondly, the writing is extremely heavy nearing what we cal "mud". Trump is a person on the edge. You do not want to be near him when he is angry. There is also a very rigid rhythm in the writing and in the baseline.

You take writing apart stroke by stroke. And you evaluate how traits work for or against each other. What we call certain trait arrays can be positive or negative depending on the writing. Example. In a suicidal person you do not want to see determination to complet a task, precise planning and decisiveness. Procrastination would be good under such circumstances.

For example when I look at Lincoln. He was very kind, very thoughtful, careful and decided very carefully. He was also a very clear thinker. He was effected by his emotions that he kept well hidden publicly. He was also very logical and rational not ruled by impulse. There is a lot of stress in his writing for obvious reasons. Deep down he felt very isolated from people.

I realize I will most likely not convince some people. That is ok. I use my knowledge for myself to lend some predictability in relationship. I am confident in what I determine and it usually bares out.

Nitram

(22,800 posts)
16. I don't doubt that Dump is intelligent.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 03:31 PM
Oct 2016

It's just that his intelligence is severely hampered by his biases, lack of curiosity, vindictiveness, lack of impulse control, anger issues, narcissism, and his sense of entitlement.

nolabear

(41,960 posts)
21. How does it account for psychological and physical changes over time and other issues?
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 06:34 PM
Oct 2016

I'll be up front and respectfully say I am dubious. I can see how a hasty scrawl might imply some things or attention to detail or wide, dashing letters, etc., but in general I'm dubious. I am older, my hands ache by the end of a long spate of writing, I do things I never would have when I was younger, and I know people with various issues of arthritis, injury and so forth. I know an autistic kid who has the most precise, detailed handwriting you can imagine. I don't think I'd know he was autistic from that writing.

Help me out here.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
24. Handwriting Is Consistent Through Time.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 06:51 PM
Oct 2016

Handwriting is very consistent through time. Now writing can change due to illness or injury. In most cases the elemental rhythm of the writing will still underlay the tremors. Plus a really very traumatic experience can change the writing. In such cases it is important to have writing over a periods of time. In cases of illness or trauma writing before and after is important. Every writing must be looked at individually. And original documents are absolutely necessary.

For example my wife's writing has changed from when we 1st met in 1969. Her writing actually looks more like mine now. Though hers is still a little different.

Example. The reason that Rather got into trouble over the Bush controversy was that he did not use the best experts. Also you must have original documents when doing a forensic determination. They used copies of originals. That practice is completely unacceptable under such circumstances. Rather and his team were bound to get screwed.

I have not had experience with autistic people. I believe that such a malady can be identified. Having said that you would need to look at a lot of autistic writing and it would take time to understand how such writing deviates from what would be considered standard.

You just do not learn this skill overnight and you have to practice and stay current by looking at writing all the time. I am not particularly active. I would need to go back to my original courses and go back through them and start practicing to get all my "eye" back. I am now going on 73 and really do not have the time to pursue such an effort.

One final comment. What you said about the autistic kid's writing is significant. Depending on what we call the "twill" of the writing and other factors, I might see something unusual about it. Any writing that is very precise in a certain way shows someone who is struggling for perfection. At a certain level such writing would raise flags for further analysis.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
22. Graphoanalysis Has Its Limits. Knowing What It Can And Cannot Do Is Crucial.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 06:36 PM
Oct 2016

Again I know that for many people even others on this sight what I have said so far is really hard to accept. There are those people who will accept, some will be skeptical and rightly so and others will reject out of hand that such analysis is not possible. Personally I have faith in my training and the analyst who helped me along the way.

Handwriting analysis cannot predict the future, or predict what a person will do. It can alert a person to potential dangers and problems. Analysis cannot fix personality problems either. Only professionals can work on that. In the end graphoanalysis can uncover what a personality looks like when writing is applied to paper.

The most fascinating part of knowing such a method is that you can look at historical figures far into the past and understand how they operated. I have seen the writing of Henry VIII and boy was he a really evil person. He truly was psychopathic. The fact that he died of a STD is not surprise. Now his writing shows what is called true mud. And that formation is always a terrible sign. Thankfully it is quite rare.

canetoad

(17,154 posts)
25. Most historians agree
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 07:04 PM
Oct 2016

That Henry VIII did not die of syphillis but of untreated diabetes compounded by his enormous weight and a lingering infection. And I don't think "really evil person" is a scientific evaluation.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
28. His Cause Of Death Is Revealing I Will Take Your Word For It.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 11:20 PM
Oct 2016

The depth of Henry's depravity is obvious even from his writing. He had uncontrollable appetites. You can doubt all you want makes no difference to me. I know what I know works. Hopefully it can be proven scientific method through some sort of statistical analysis. I was not declaring that my analysis was specifically scientifically made.

Response to wheniwasincongress (Reply #29)

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
32. I Will Likely Delete This OP Soon. I Have Learned A Lot From The Discussion.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 11:46 PM
Oct 2016

As I have said I understand the skepticism and denial.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
30. Handwriting Analysis Has Not Been Scientifically Proven At This Point.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 11:36 PM
Oct 2016

And it is not likely to be because no one is studying it and trying to validate it at this point to my knowledge. There are many things that work in reality that have not been proven scientifically at the point. For one thing personality profiling through handwriting analysis is NOT admissible in a court of law. And that is ok.

On the other hand forensic handwriting analysis for the purpose of questioned documents is scientific. It is a special branch of investigation that covers not just handwriting forms but a whole range of elements like inks, type faces, copies, forged signatures, altered documents, fake documents et al.

I met one master forensic expert who was extremely well known and sought after probably up to the time of his passing. The day I visited him he complained that he was still getting requests from even the FBI. While at his home he took a call and confirmed a forgery on a will.

Whether believed or not handwriting in all its forms even foreign is fascinating. I am not trying to convince the skeptical or deniers. I am just sharing a point of view from a different perspective.

We certainly do not need handwriting analysis to see who Trump is. He has shown enough of himself already. He is crazy like a fox. And that is why he has so many blind followers.

brettdale

(12,381 posts)
33. Just out of interest
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 12:35 AM
Oct 2016

In my hand writing, I write my letters, quite curly, my L's and my T's have curls in them.

What does that mean??

Also when i sign my name, I write the L in my last name like a H.

Hopefully all this means is that Im a swell person.

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