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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTo our new members here: Why are we often too quick in calling new posters trolls?
Last edited Wed Nov 2, 2016, 03:55 PM - Edit history (2)
To be upfront, I have been called a troll, sexist, racist, anti-Semite, etc. You have to let it roll off your back. One poster who repeatedly called me a racist was banned from this site for racist posts. No joke.
There is a long history on DU of trolls flying just under the radar. The administrators do an excellent job at dealing with them overall. That said, we can't expect banning's because someone gives us a feeling. Many of us have tolerated known trolls here for a long time. It's a part of the board and I believe that it is monitored extremely well. Outside of a handful of instances, including one major, this site has done very well at dealing with trolls. Still, some specific members have been the target of long time trolls and that makes it personal.
If you are new here or to discussion boards as a whole you might not know that some people troll for years. I'm not kidding. Yes, some are that pathetic. We have had some wonderful trolls fly under the radar for years who along the way were rightfully labeled by many members as trolls. Why weren't they given the boot? Any troll worth his/her weight in salt learns the rules and how to skirt them well. If you play by the rules, for the most part, you stay. It's really the way it should be.
The post below are from long time du members. They were here in good standing for thousands and thousands of posts.
I'm removing this section. It contained quotes from posters I thought were banned. In all fairness, I didn't check. I didn't think I needed to. The quotes were calling for the impeachment of Clinton and worse.
The removed section can be referred to as "Point Fucking Made" for our new members.
To the new posters, this is just the tip of the iceberg. These are all long time du members. I haven't touched on Nadine looking forward to Clinton going on trial for the emails, thought after thought of pissing on Clintons head and killing her, and all around general love for Trump. Again, from long time du members.
If you are called a troll let it roll off your back. If you are here in good faith you are going to have a blast. It will take some time to get use to the members and what you will take away from the board. There is something for every progressive here.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)Orrex
(63,208 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)So personal and I don't know how your are even aware I'm vertically challenged. I think I'm being watched.
Orrex
(63,208 posts)I thought trolls were much taller, according to this 2010 documentary.
Quiet_Dem_Mom
(599 posts)I just don't jump into the fray very often to post / argue with people, which means I haven't even reached the 500 post milestone. BUT, I keep DU open on a tab and repeatedly refresh and read threads throughout the day. Since 2005.
Much like Roz in Monsters Inc:
Demit
(11,238 posts)I think you broke it.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Concern noted.
I want to make our many new members feel more comfortable. Election season is a time when we get many new good members. We also get a rash of trolls. I would like for the good ones to stay away.
I don't think you should concern yourself too much with people fantasizing impeaching Clinton and killing her.
Plant your flag somewhere else.
This might be hidden. I won't sweat it.
REP
(21,691 posts)You are using this post to accuse them of something under the guise of comforting new members. This is disingenuous; if you wish to call them out you should do it directly.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That is an assumption on your part. A highly inaccurate one.
I simply picked the quickest examples I could. Each of those comments was over the last two days.
Why don't you welcome new members here and tell them it is a part of the board instead of making incorrect assumptions.
To think I have a problem with calling people out directly is laughable at best.
Lets say your assumption is correct. You completely confirmed my point with respect to trolls. You unintentionally knocked it out of the park. Well done.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)and he said those posts did not come from DU. What's one to think?
ismnotwasm
(41,977 posts)Holy shit.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not going to take the time to look, either.
If they are, REP just unintentionally made my point.
ismnotwasm
(41,977 posts)I am a bit gobsmacked.
Demit
(11,238 posts)It's to keep things civil. That's a good thing to tell new members, that civility is a watchword here. We don't make tattletale posts.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I have noticed some low post members being jumped on rather quickly. This is the time many new people find us. Some for good reasons, some for not. They need to get past the initial post count phase. Shouldn't be that way but it has been since I first joined. It's not just going to change yet they need to feel welcomed.
ProfessorGAC
(65,013 posts)Calling out DU'ers without bothering to see if they're active, whether they've been launched, etc. Uncool
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I was certain they were banned. I didn't feel I need to check. I will say that the information you and REP have brought here about them does nothing more than confirm the point I was making to new members. Directly confirmed. Thanks.
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)I have to post sugar and spice until I get my count up even though I have voted straight since 1968 and have been a Party Chairman. I just need to learn not to be critical of the party or candidates for a while. Not even going to tell a candidate they have a HUGE pimple on the tip of their nose.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I will say that outside of elections and low post counts, this site does allow for some pretty extreme criticism of the party and it's members.
Demsrule86
(68,563 posts)There are forums that allow you to bash to your hearts content. I don't care about count ...if I see a poster attacking Democrats I will alert.
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)of criticism is accepted? I love my grandchildren and support them but when I think they are doing something wrong, I tell them or do I just be nice to them? Can you criticize candidates or party leaders like was done with Debbie W S? Who were we to say she wasn't effective. I have been on several juries and see too many people filing a complaint over trivial matters, like they lost the argument and are trying to get even by filing a complaint.
I can always go back to Kos.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Recommendation to new members; keep the responses focused on the positive side with regards to Democrats. AND don't post things that sound like they would come from the right wing or Trump supporters.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)At the same time, I can understand the serious concerns some might have right now. They might not be able to talk about those concerns at work or with family. This place really is a good place for that. There is a bit of hypersensitivity going around right now.
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)Response to NCTraveler (Original post)
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NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not sure it was a secret as you suggest. It also doesn't surprise me that the wife of the administrator of a progressive board is working for a candidate with a progressive platform.
That is flat out awesome.
JI7
(89,249 posts)This is like the person who thought it was suspicious that someone who was a member of some dem group was posting here.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)A lot of us are actually proud that one of our own has kinda hit the big time when it comes to supporting a DEMOCRATIC presidential candidate, considerng that this is DEMOCRATIC Underground which is dedicated up front and in the TOS to getting DEMOCRATIC candidates elected.
Why is this a problem for you, and a couple of others?
Hekate
(90,674 posts)Some have departed, it is true, and some have gone dormant until the end of November. I look forward to seeing how well the new TOS holds after that.
Of course, if He Who Shall Not Be Named enters the Oval Office, DU will once more be united in the white heat of hatred of a common enemy, so there is that.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Most people seem to imagine that everyone who disagrees with them, at some point, on some issue, is a "troll", and not just someone who disagrees. Same as it ever was.
As to the sort of rough and tumble to which new members are invariably subjected, here- yeah, it exists, but the fact of the matter is (as anyone who has been on MIRT can tell you) low-count posters are treated suspiciously as if they may be trolls because this place gets a LOT of trolls. It's about the only thing you can reliably count on.
Then take a major election, and multiply that number by twenty.
In my experience, the vast majority of bleating from new people about "why are you treating me like a troll when I'm just expressing my concern/pointing out that this Clinton scandal has legs/questioning whether James O'Keefe has a point" etc etc-- well, it comes not from horribly misjudged and mistreated future good would-be community members, but yes, from actual fucking trolls. And then invariably what they do is some version of "gee, whiz, since everyone here is so mean to me, maybe I don't want to be a Democrat after all -sniff sniff-"
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As for your removed section, I'm gonna address it anyway, since it's the elephant in the room and anyone can read it in the edits if they're curious enough, anyway. And I'll do that by saying: You cannot compare the primary period to the GE election period. The rules are different. Sort of how you can play football and soccer on the same basic field. The basic dimensions are the same but the games are very, very different.
There was shit said during the primaries about ALL the candidates- like Bernie Sanders, for instance- that in no fucking way would fly now. Nor should it.
We've moved on, we're unified, that's how this deal works.
DU is rough. Get a helmet, or find a mutual admiration support group. If you wander in here a week before the election, be prepared to meet some suspicion at first. C'est La Vie.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Thank you.
Those quotes were within the last two days.
It does get really rough around here during elections. I've said some things I shouldn't have. Owned up to a number of them while not them by self deleting. Not to say I haven't used the feature.
I think new people coming here would be shocked to know that criticizing democrats outside of elections is pretty well accepted here. Praising of Republicans almost never. It's a good place with many excellent members.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)If this is a thread about who said what on another site; a valid discussion, perhaps, but a different one to my mind, than mulling over what standards new posters ought to generally be held to here on DU.
For one thing, a new poster doesn't generally have a name and a history which people can examine- that's part of the problem, actually- so many of these characters are just repeat customers coming back under new names.
I've never felt that criticizing of all Democrats all the time should be off the table- that's how we get our leaders to lead. We had to gently push some of them along on the topic of marriage equality, didn't we- I mean, even Joe Biden 'trolled' President Obama on the topic at one point. I suspect after the election we will have similar conversations on things like marijuana legalization, where some of our Democratic leaders are ahead of the curve and in line with the majority that supports ending prohibition, while some still drag their feet. These are important conversations and shouldn't be confused with bashing, of course.
Demsrule86
(68,563 posts)at ask the administrators too...and I like it...Democrats should not trash Democrats on a Democratic site...there are plenty of RW sites where you can bash to your heart's content...we support Democrats.
Kingofalldems
(38,454 posts)as you pointed out.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)grabber
(42 posts)on Yahoo and other news sites. I realized a long time ago you cant have a decent discussion on a public message board so I stopped trying. I think that was 1999. Some posters here may recognize some of my names like first_church_of_bush, faith in w and mrs gladys premise from Yahoo.
Rex
(65,616 posts)So many people MIRT hammers are low post trolls spamming or repeating so it makes sense for there to be a tendency imo.