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mia

(8,360 posts)
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 05:49 PM Nov 2016

Do online petitions do any good?

I've signed many and passed on the links. I saw another one posted here.

https://www.change.org/p/demand-an-audit-of-the-2016-presidential-election

Does anyone in power actually care about these petitions.... much less, even read about them?


Back away from the keyboard. That online petition you're about to sign is "pretty much a sham." Says who? Clay Johnson at InfoVegan, for starters. Johnson is something of a Web organization specialist, having worked on developing the online strategy for both Howard Dean's and Barack Obama's presidential campaigns. "According to the Congressional Management Foundation," writes Johnson, "the House of Representatives got 99,053,399 messages via the Internet in 2004." Your petition really isn't going to get read; the reason organizations try so hard to get you to sign it is that "politicians and advocacy groups value your email address over your voice." In fact:


It's the great lie of online organizing: that your voice to Congress or your voice to whomever can make a difference. It can, it should, but not through them. Nearly every organization in Washington is focused on one thing--inventing new and interesting ways to get your email address. And they want your email address so that they can ask you for money. The truth is: my.barackobama.com was and still is, the most sophisticated suite of tools designed primarily to capture your email address and ask you for money.

Online organizers for political groups are trained to recognize "strategic moments"--to find events in the media and in the national narrative that they can use to their advantage. ... The most basic and common method for political organizations to get your email address is via a petition.
So what's a civic-minded person to do? "Skip the advocacy groups," advises Johnson. "If you have something to say to Congress, house.gov gives you a method as does senate.gov." Or, "if you have something to say to Google," or some other corporation, "contact them yourself."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/08/your-online-petition-is-useless/340316/

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Do online petitions do any good? (Original Post) mia Nov 2016 OP
Calling on the phone is better SHRED Nov 2016 #1
Yes, thank you. Your post led me to more information. mia Nov 2016 #2
Nope. And the incoming will only use them to populate databases of enemies NightWatcher Nov 2016 #3
no trof Nov 2016 #4
Nope. No good whatsoever. longship Nov 2016 #5
They do a great deal of good Lithos Nov 2016 #6

mia

(8,360 posts)
2. Yes, thank you. Your post led me to more information.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 06:01 PM
Nov 2016
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/08/your-online-petition-is-useless/340316/
Back away from the keyboard. That online petition you're about to sign is "pretty much a sham." Says who? Clay Johnson at InfoVegan, for starters. Johnson is something of a Web organization specialist, having worked on developing the online strategy for both Howard Dean's and Barack Obama's presidential campaigns. "According to the Congressional Management Foundation," writes Johnson, "the House of Representatives got 99,053,399 messages via the Internet in 2004." Your petition really isn't going to get read; the reason organizations try so hard to get you to sign it is that "politicians and advocacy groups value your email address over your voice." In fact:


It's the great lie of online organizing: that your voice to Congress or your voice to whomever can make a difference. It can, it should, but not through them. Nearly every organization in Washington is focused on one thing--inventing new and interesting ways to get your email address. And they want your email address so that they can ask you for money. The truth is: my.barackobama.com was and still is, the most sophisticated suite of tools designed primarily to capture your email address and ask you for money.

Online organizers for political groups are trained to recognize "strategic moments"--to find events in the media and in the national narrative that they can use to their advantage. ... The most basic and common method for political organizations to get your email address is via a petition.
So what's a civic-minded person to do? "Skip the advocacy groups," advises Johnson. "If you have something to say to Congress, house.gov gives you a method as does senate.gov." Or, "if you have something to say to Google," or some other corporation, "contact them yourself."

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. Nope. And the incoming will only use them to populate databases of enemies
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 06:03 PM
Nov 2016

Mostly they just get you on mailing lists.

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. Nope. No good whatsoever.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 07:10 PM
Nov 2016

Except to assuage ones belief that one is doing some good, when one really isn't.

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
6. They do a great deal of good
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 07:11 PM
Nov 2016

For collecting names, email addresses, and other information for later marketing campaigns. Also good for a second step piece to get you to donate money.

If you mean as an active tool which actually influences policy? No.

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