Trump and the Ethnostate

[cynatnite]

So, I decided that I needed to learn more about the alt-right movement in a "know your enemy" kind of way. An article I read really has me pretty concerned.

Alt-Right Exults in Donald Trump's Election With a Salute, 'Heil Victory'

For the alt-right, the most exciting thing about Mr. Trump was that he built a campaign around the issues that mattered most to them, and that white people had voted for him in numbers that left the political establishments of both parties stunned. Now, Mr. Spencer said, it is up to the alt-right to formulate the ideas and policies to guide the new administration.

“I think we can be the ones out in front, thinking about those things he hasn’t quite grasped yet, who are putting forward policies,” Mr. Spencer said, that “have a realistic chance of being implemented.”

I was curious about Richard Spencer and did a bit of reading up about him. Basically, him and those like him want a white ethnostate here in the US. This guy Spencer is the one we need to watch. He'll be in a strong position along with Bannon to implement their agenda of a white America.

It's pretty fucking frightening to read a lot of this and I feel like I need a second shower.

[Initech]

1. Well the terrorists have won. White supremacy is the new normal.

Goodbye freedom, it was nice knowing you!

[world wide wally]

2. As the man sang:

Bye bye Miss American pie

[loyalsister]

3. More on spencer...

I posted about this, but it actually belongs here. Should have checked! You're right this is really scary.

I'm not sure Kaufmann fully appreciates the overlap.....

While white nationalism certainly overlaps with white supremacy and racism, many political scientists say it is a distinct phenomenon — one that was a powerful but often-unseen force during the presidential election and will most likely remain a potent factor in American and European politics in coming years.

Richard Spencer makes an effort to draw a distinction, but this language is embedded with classic US white supremacy that has existed since the establishment of the US with founding father Benjamin Rush's claim of biological distinction between races.

"Mr. Spencer argues that immigration and multiculturalism are threats to America’s white population, and has said his ideal is a white “ethno-state.” He has avoided discussing the details of how this might be achieved, saying it is still just a “dream,” but has called for “peaceful ethnic cleansing” to remove nonwhite people from American soil."

Translated to 20th century eugenics language....

"Mr. Spencer argues that immigration and multiculturalism <INFERIOR GENES> are threats to America’s white population, and has said his ideal is a white “ethno-state.” <NORDIC SUPERIOR RACE> He has avoided discussing the details of how this might be achieved, saying it is still just a “dream,” but has called for “peaceful ethnic <GENETIC> cleansing” to remove nonwhite <GENETICALLY INFERIOR> people from American soil."


Really, it's the same white supremacy as it ever was.... only more dangerous.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/world/americas/white-nationalism-explained.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=1

[cynatnite]

4. I wish I could rec this...

These people need dragged into the light as well as their connections with Trump. It needs be more than just ideologies. Financial connections as well. They're Nazis which I consider far more dangerous than the KKK.

It's certainly frightening and all the more reason to fight them at every turn.

[loyalsister]

6. Exactly

If they have enough imagination, and I think they do, the list could constantly expand. They have already started in with anti-Semitism, which had fallen out of fashion for awhile. Any religion other than evangelical. Expensive lives unworthy of life....

[cynatnite]

8. They want their white ethnostate...

“America was, until this last generation, a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity,” Mr. Spencer thundered. “It is our creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us.”

But the white race, he added, is “a race that travels forever on an upward path.”

“To be white is to be a creator, an explorer, a conqueror,” he said.

More members of the audience were on their feet as Mr. Spencer described the choice facing white people as to “conquer or die.”

Alt right=Nazis. Simple as that.

[loyalsister]

9. Ugh!

I've been fighting giving in to that reality. But, I've got to now. I really worry about how long it will take for a significant number of people to get it.

[Fast Walker 52]

5. Trump is a eugenist, himself. These people scare the shit out of me in power. We have to be on full

guard for Nazi-like shit coming down the pike.

[loyalsister]

7. This is exactly why some of us are concerned about right to die laws

It makes the potential horror show easy to implement. Imagine what republican states that are hurting because they didn't expand Medicaide could do. I am honestly terrified!

[Fast Walker 52]

10. I don't understand your point about Repub states and Medicare

Can you explain please?

[loyalsister]

11. I was talking about Medicaid

Which operates as a partnership between federal and state governments. States have quite a bit of flexibility in what they are required to cover. They are not required to cover wheelchair batteries or ambulatory oxygen. In my case, they pick up the unaffordable Medicare and Rx copays. But they are not required to do so.

Suppose a person can live independently one week then the state cuts off all that makes that possible. It is not outside the realm of possibility that someone could suddenly find themselves bedridden for the foreseeable future. The state would be quite happy to not have to spend the money they do spend on such people. Just as insurance companies have begun to deny treatments but cover end of life measures, it is not beyond the realm of possibility for Medicare and Medicaid to use those laws to their fiscally conservative advantage.