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applegrove

(118,777 posts)
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 07:56 PM Nov 2016

10 Most Despicable Stories Breitbart Published Under Bannon

By Elisabeth Sherman at Rolling Stone

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/pictures/10-most-despicable-stories-breitbart-published-under-bannon-w452226

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Flying Confederate flag isn't racist

In a stunning piece of revisionist history, writer Gerald Warner defends the Confederate flag. "Barack," he writes, "you might just want to remind us again which state of the Union, north or south, your ancestors resided in during the traumatic years 1861 [and] 1865? Or did Kenya not have a dog in that fight?" This is from the site that claims not to have anything to do with Birthers, but they go on to argue that there's nothing inherently racist about about flying the flag of the South's failed rebellion. "The Confederacy was not a callous conspiracy to enforce slavery, but a patriotic and idealistic cause for which 490,000 men were killed, wounded or taken captive. The Civil War was not fought over slavery, but in defense of states' rights." Sure, specifically their right to own slaves.


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I was told this in my high school american history class in the early 1980s applegrove Nov 2016 #1
The south always resented the loss of the Federalist government Warpy Nov 2016 #2
I think since the black people in the south had no choice, the choice was made applegrove Nov 2016 #3
Oh, I forgot. Warpy Nov 2016 #4
People free to make their own choices deserve what they get. You are free to question applegrove Nov 2016 #5

applegrove

(118,777 posts)
1. I was told this in my high school american history class in the early 1980s
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 08:00 PM
Nov 2016

in Canada (that it was states rights not slavery that caused the war). If the bullshit had gotten all the way to canada maybe the Democrats need a like campaign to undo the big lie. It is obviously the basis for why so many in the south seem to think they have moral standing when it comes to the civil war and racism.

Warpy

(111,338 posts)
2. The south always resented the loss of the Federalist government
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 08:30 PM
Nov 2016

and when they seceded, that's what they re adopted with some revisions. It moved power back to the states and away from central government, at least in theory.

The right of a state to decide that some people are the property of others was the major "state's right" they were fighting for, but it wasn't the only one.

I always thought if they'd been allowed to secede, mechanization would have made slavery unprofitable within 50 years and the structure of the Confederacy would have had states fighting with each other even before then. I just don't know which would have resulted in a higher level of misery--an additional 50 years of trying to preserve the slave system or the appalling cost of lives in the Civil War followed by the equally appalling botch the Union made of Reconstruction.

applegrove

(118,777 posts)
3. I think since the black people in the south had no choice, the choice was made
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 08:46 PM
Nov 2016

by the white people in the south to fight. Their losses are their own. So too the losses of the north belong to those white people in the south. And mechanization did not stop white families from paying **** to black women as domestic help well into the 1950s. Slavery was an abomination. I'm sorry you don't see it as that. Frankly I'm scared of your views. You save the innocent first. Blacks in america were innocent. They did not deserve to be kidnapped, murdered, tortured, starved, raped, enslaved, have their children stolen, forced into hard labour, and have it continue intergenerationally for 250 years. Extending it even one day is a major crime.

Warpy

(111,338 posts)
4. Oh, I forgot.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 08:58 PM
Nov 2016

Any questioning is forbidden.

Check this out but don't bother to get back to me: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/science/civil-war-toll-up-by-20-percent-in-new-estimate.html

That doesn't include civilians.

There are all kinds of major crimes in this mean old world.

applegrove

(118,777 posts)
5. People free to make their own choices deserve what they get. You are free to question
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 09:57 PM
Nov 2016

me. I am free to respond.

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