Interesting juxtaposition of Jill Stein tweets

[oberliner]

Dr. Jill Stein ‏@DrJillStein 16h16 hours ago
Clinton + Trump: Want democracy? Provide free-and-equal radio + television time on public airwaves for all ballot-qualified candidates.

Dr. Jill Stein ‏@DrJillStein 16h16 hours ago
Fidel Castro was a symbol of the struggle for justice in the shadow of empire. Presente!

Dr. Jill Stein ‏@DrJillStein 16h16 hours ago
Clinton + Trump: Want democracy? Provide full public financing of federal, state and local elections to even the playing field.

I wonder if she is aware of the irony?

[jodymarie aimee]

1. leave her alone, she is responsible for getting the recount/audit done

Here in WI we are very thankful to her. She may expose the cheating that has been going on here for 6 years. If this also delivers us from Trump's Nazi America we will ALL thank her.

[oberliner]

3. She is responsible for doing everything in her power to oppose Hillary Clinton for president

She is as much the enemy as any Republican.

[MADem]

13. The cash she's collecting is allocated to recount fees and lawyer fees.

Unless you have information to the contrary?

A link will do nicely to substantiate your claim that she's planning to use the money for her own purposes.

[guillaumeb]

2. Fidel Castro was a symbol.

A flawed leader who showed no tolerance for dissent in Cuba, but he was a symbol for those who resent US global dominance.

[oberliner]

4. But he was no fan of open and transparent elections.

Or letting opposition parties run against him unfettered.

Or democracy in general.

[guillaumeb]

6. Agreed. But symbols do have their place and function.

And Castro did argue that in the shadow of the US Empire, and having been the target of many US directed assassination attempts, that democracy was not something that Cuba could afford.

[MADem]

10. He was a symbol of a hectoring, Father Knows Best Dictator.

Dictators suck.

You know HE and HIS family never missed a meal, even as his people did.

[guillaumeb]

15. True. But does the US bear any responsibility

for that? As examples I offer the embargo, the various attempted coups that were directed by the CIA in conjunction with rich Cuban exiles, the many attempts to kill Castro?

[MADem]

16. Why not blame the RUSSIANS first? We didn't put nukes 90 miles off our shores.

They allowed the RUSSIANS to do that; they threw in their lot with the Russians, because the Russians wouldn't demand pesky elections. They preferred the stability of a ruler they could control by turning on/off the spigot of oil and goods, rather than allowing the Cuban people to reach their full potential in an electoral fashion.

Two wrongs sure as hell don't make a right, but the Russians kept Castro on a string for years, and he was a willing puppet because he had no wish to submit to actual competition.

[guillaumeb]

17. Speaking of nuclear devices, and bases,

NATO, a US proxy, encircles Russia with bases and weapons.

And Guantanamo is actually on Cuban soil.

I am not excusing Castro's many faults, but when looking at history and judging actions it helps to be aware of the actions of ALL sides. And that includes the US.

And finally, Cuba turned to the USSR because of the US embargo.

[MADem]

18. NATO, a US Proxy--that's horseshit.

NATO is an alliance, and I will wager that the nations who comprise NATO would regard your comment as uninformed in the extreme. NATO nations have a mutual defense accord. Calling them a "US proxy" is just a really embarrassing comment. They most certainly do not "hop to" when USA calls. They are active collaborators in the process. If you've ever worked with NATO nations on a mil-to-mil level you'd understand this.

Guantanamo was a BAD BARGAIN for Cuba--sometimes, to quote the Orange Anus, people make baaaad deals. The Government of Cuba did make the deal, though, because, at the time, they found it worthwhile (and a "yuuuuuge" chunk of their economy flowed to them from 90 miles off their shores). How were they to know that they'd end up with a leader who would decide to get smack dab in the middle of one of the biggest pissing contests in the 20th century?

And Cuba was already in bed with Russia BEFORE the embargo--good grief. Castro knew what Russian weaponry was on his soil--he put his people at risk in a game that was far more consequential than tiddly winks. He liked the Russians, because they didn't believe in pesky things like free and fair elections. They suited his desire to grasp and retain power over a lifetime.

Stop trying to conflate. It's not working.

[guillaumeb]

19. NATO is a US dominated alliance of convenience.

Perhaps you can explain why NATO is so active far from the north Atlantic?
NATO has bases around the world, including bases in India. I am certain you can explain the reason that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization has a base in India.


NATO is a fig leaf, like the Alliance of the willing George Bush coerced into being to created the illusion of a world effort to insure US access to and control over Iraqi oil.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. I weep for my nation.

[DemonGoddess]

7. so do I

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. There is a not insignificant portion of the population who rejects liberal democracy.

[MADem]

8. That would take some self-awareness, and she doesn't have much of that.

She is a useful tool in this recount, though. Anything that makes the nation see how illegitimate Trump is, is a benefit to all -- and if we can (sooner than later) dump the electoral college for the popular vote, better still.

[eleny]

11. If he gets taken down a notch with this recount it'll deflate some of his preceived pol capital

A good thing because all this mandate business is a bunch of crap given Clinton's 2+million more general vote count.

[bigtree]

12. Democrats were for public financing elections

...before Stein thought it was cool.

[Justice]

20. Same with Trump attacking Castro and then saying flag burners should lose US citizenship.

[oberliner]

21. Yes indeed

People hopefully are noticing what's happening. It's not like Trump is being secretive about what he is doing.