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PJMcK

(21,998 posts)
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:06 AM Nov 2016

Here's an example of Donald Trump's election support

This New York Times article is about the support Mr. Trump received from voters in coal country:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/us/donald-trump-coal-country.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

It's really sad and dispiriting that these people can't see two glaringly obvious facts. First, the coal industry has changed tremendously and the jobs lost are never coming back. That industry is declining in the US and these people need help to move into new jobs and careers that reflect the modern economy. They will be disappointed when the Republicans don't help them. Certainly, their circumstances will not improve under the Republican-dominated government.

Second, the candidate that they helped elect has never assisted anyone in their situations. He has short-changed tremendous numbers of people and businesses and he has never supported the workers in his endeavors. Why would they think he'll care about their interests?

It would be instructive if the NYT would do a follow-up article in 18 months or two years from now. I'd be very interested to see what the people quoted in the article have to say at that future time.

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Here's an example of Donald Trump's election support (Original Post) PJMcK Nov 2016 OP
The North East is most impacted exboyfil Nov 2016 #1
Coal is not going to rebound. LonePirate Nov 2016 #2
Exactly PJMcK Nov 2016 #5
Keep in mind the source you linked PJMcK Nov 2016 #7
I was showing it as a mindset exboyfil Nov 2016 #8
he lied to every person who voted for him. spanone Nov 2016 #3
Fu*k he lied to all of us madokie Nov 2016 #4
Me, too (n/t) PJMcK Nov 2016 #6

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
1. The North East is most impacted
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:16 AM
Nov 2016

by acid rain (who voted against Trump). What happens if a Trump EPA removes the requirement on reducing emissions? Does that help the economics of coal?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/415196/how-clean-air-act-holds-back-american-economy-reihan-salam

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
2. Coal is not going to rebound.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:23 AM
Nov 2016

It is far cheaper to produce electricity from natural gas and renewable resources. Gutting every single coal regulation will have almost no impact on the number of coal jobs because coal will still not be a cost effective resource to use.

PJMcK

(21,998 posts)
5. Exactly
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:30 AM
Nov 2016

Coal is far too expensive and relatively inefficient for continued use in the United States. (China might be another matter but that's not the point here.)

Additionally, the coal reserves in the US have been significantly depleted over the years and new mines face tremendous hurdles.

PJMcK

(21,998 posts)
7. Keep in mind the source you linked
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:36 AM
Nov 2016

Although The National Review is the "intellectual" point of view for the right wing, it is severely tilted towards conservative thought and ideology. It was, after all, founded by the godfather of conservatives, William F. Buckley, Jr.

It would be wise to remember that when using them as a source.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
8. I was showing it as a mindset
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:41 AM
Nov 2016

I honestly don't know the economics of regulations, but I am damned sure that conservatives never want to price externalities into any regulations (or at least those five feet or more away from the proximate cause).

You can easily put the thumb on any scale. Is it enough to cause a resurgence of coal? I don't know. Is there shuttered capacity sitting on the edge for electricity production?

madokie

(51,076 posts)
4. Fu*k he lied to all of us
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:29 AM
Nov 2016

even those of us who wouldn't have voted for him if our lives depended on it

I could go into a real foul cussing outburst but I'll spare us that. Thats what tRump does to me

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