NYTimes: Donald Trumps Lies About the Popular Vote

[spanone]

One big fear in the weeks leading up to the presidential election was that Donald Trump would try to delegitimize the results by claiming rampant voter fraud — a bogus specter he had raised throughout the campaign, particularly as his polling numbers got worse.

In that scenario, of course, Mr. Trump was the loser. No one imagined he would say the election was rigged if he won. And yet here we are.

On Sunday, President-elect Trump unleashed a barrage of tweets complaining about calls for recounts or vote audits in several closely contested states, and culminating in this message: “In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.”

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This is a lie, part of Mr. Trump’s pattern, stretching back many years, of disregard for indisputable facts. There is no evidence of illegal voting on even a small scale anywhere in the country, let alone a systematic conspiracy involving “millions.” But this is the message that gets hammered relentlessly by right-wing propaganda sites like InfoWars, which is run by a conspiracy theorist who claims the Sandy Hook school massacre was a hoax — and whose absurdities Mr. Trump has often shouted through his megaphone, which will shortly bear the presidential seal. Mr. Trump added more fuel to the fire with the false claim of “serious voter fraud” in California, Virginia and New Hampshire — all states that went for Hillary Clinton.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/opinion/donald-trumps-lies-about-the-popular-vote.html

[malaise]

1. Now they're calling him on his lies

Last year this time would have been better

[still_one]

2. They started off this morning with the statement that "he was claiming it without proof". Now they

are offering the response in the form of an editorial opinion. That is all fine and good, but that he lied should be reported as news, not just as part of an editorial

[Little Star]

3. 1

[oldtime dfl_er]

5. ya beat me to it

I think we were typing at the same time

[still_one]

7. doesn't matter, it is important to point out the distinction. Thanks

[malaise]

9. 1,000

I can't take much more of this

[sheshe2]

10. I am with you, malaise.

[malaise]

11. This is madness

literally

[Hekate]

21. Mad King Donald, pacing in his golden tower. It helps me a bit to visualize it as a fairy tale.

A grim Grimm's tale, of course.

[malaise]

33. LOL

[still_one]

17. I agree malaise. Hang in there.

[anamandujano]

26. It's their game to exasperate and exhaust us. Hang tough.

[Oneironaut]

25. Too little too late. They kissed his arse for ratings.

[oldtime dfl_er]

4. While I'm glad the NY Times used the word "lie"

I'd like to know why this is on the OPINION page, and not the FRONT page??

[still_one]

6. exactly

[spanone]

12. the headline for the 'opinion piece' was on the front page, above the fold.

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[still_one]

18. That is true, and gives it more impact, but its still referred to as an

editorial

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. "Someone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

-Voltaire (?) The deplorables will believe whatever absurdities der Trumpenführer feeds them. Some of them would also commit atrocities without hesitation at his direction.

[Hekate]

23. Timely. Brrr.

[BigDemVoter]

24. Of that I have NO doubt, whatsoever.

They would commit anything in his name, and it is chilling.

[Solly Mack]

13. I'm glad this is keeping Trump up at night.

It makes me happy that it is eating him up inside knowing the majority of Americans don't want him as President.

It please me to no end to think of Trump feeling that crushing blow to his ego.

To know he lies in bed, eyes wide open, cursing everyone who didn't vote for him.

He won the highest office in the land but that isn't enough for him.

No, he needs to feel loved and losing the popular vote means (to him) that he isn't the best loved.

Psst..Donald...your daddy didn't love you best either.

[spanone]

14. i expect more tweets aimed at the new york times....expect they do too

[Solly Mack]

15. Definitely. His minders allow him to tweet and make youtube videos.

And they even let him pick cabinet members from the Bannon/Mercer pre-approved list.

I'm sure his minders are looking forward to his victory tour rallies so they can get about the business of dismantling government.

[spanone]

16. grrrr...

[Solly Mack]

19. Yeah. :(

It's a truly fucked up mess.

[oldtime dfl_er]

30. While he

sells tacky tchotchkes and cheap hats to fleece his devotees out of their last nickel.

[anamandujano]

28. All while Hillary is out hiking, recuperating after the nightmarishly exhausting campaign.

[Solly Mack]

29. and Trump is driving himself crazy.

[JI7]

34. i love it also . i was thinking it would be a good idea to come up with a name for him

where it refers to him getting far fewer votes.

protests with all the signs about how he lost the popular vote.

[colsohlibgal]

20. He Is A Pathological Liar

I'm shocked his pants haven't all caught fire.

Cue the Castaways.

[0rganism]

22. and once again, we see media falling into the "truth trap"

such commentary would have had some value had it been practiced widely 10 months ago.

we've gone well beyond that point now. we've reached a point where truth or falsehood is merely another editorialized attribute appended to any given statement, holding about as much weight as a review of punctuation or grammar. seriously, they might as well be criticizing his diction.

the important message here, one that Trump is conveying to his supporters quite eloquently, is that millions of people voted illegally for his "criminal" opponent, and even if they weren't illegal then they should be illegal going forward. his intent, clearly communicated, is to disenfranchise the Democratic voting base. that is the real story here, and none dare report it.

while the national media circle jerk themselves over their journalistic purity, Trump just went full Hitler and it's not getting covered.

[anamandujano]

27. Trump doesn't have an eloquent molecule in his body. His trolls repeat the same old lie even

though it's been debunked tirelessly.

[0rganism]

31. he's plenty eloquent, but he's speaking a different language

what you hear when he speaks is not what his target audience hears
you are not them
congratulations

the significance of what he's saying goes well beyond the words. he's constantly using dog whistles and codes that have volumes of meaning to his followers. if you listen to him like you'd listen to NPR, he sounds chunky and stupid and thoroughly repulsive. that's not what his followers are hearing.

[anamandujano]

32. What you're describing is not eloquent. You need a different word.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

35. I'm waiting for when he arrests a bunch of Democrats for plotting against him....

Or Bill Maher for this:

[Cha]

36. Best damn reason for a recount.. own it drumpfuck.

Thank you, spanone