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pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:52 PM Nov 2016

Why did Jill Stein wait till one day before the Monday deadline

to announce that she needed about 30,000 volunteers to sign and get notarized affidavits for the Pennsylvania recount?

So she only got about 100 precincts covered -- out of 9600.

That's the recount we're going to get in PA, folks. And she's just now mentioning it on her website -- that the recount in PA will be limited (though much more limited than she's openly admitting.)

The new language on her website today:

*We are supporting a voter-initiated recount in PA, in election districts where at least three voters in each precinct file affidavits with their County Board of Elections within the specified time frame.

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Why did Jill Stein wait till one day before the Monday deadline (Original Post) pnwmom Nov 2016 OP
did you see how Jill ran her campaign? JHan Nov 2016 #1
I think she sees this as a money-maker. She won't have big expenses pnwmom Nov 2016 #2
Mmm hmm. And yet, instead of walking away with 6.5M, she wired 3.5M to WI. Barack_America Nov 2016 #5
I'll take a nice 3M cut for a few days of signing papers and tweeting Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #14
Sadly, another 500K is due WI, and MI's about to speak for another 1M. Barack_America Nov 2016 #15
Why would raising money be important? She only spent 3.5 M for her entire campaign. brooklynite Nov 2016 #3
No one seems to know why she waited till the last minute to ask for pnwmom Nov 2016 #7
So, you are aware Stein has been granted a hearing on Monday for a statewide recount? Barack_America Nov 2016 #4
Being granted a hearing doesn't mean the judge will decide in her favor. pnwmom Nov 2016 #6
What do you care? She does or she doesn't. Meanwhile, she's spending people's money... Barack_America Nov 2016 #8
I fault her for leading people on to think that the whole state would be recounted, pnwmom Nov 2016 #11
Three notarized affidavits x 9000 precincts was not going to happen. Barack_America Nov 2016 #12
The Dems were far more organized than she appears to be. But they couldn't pnwmom Nov 2016 #13
Meanwhile, time's a-wastin'. Tick Tock...Tick Tock...Tick Tock... WillowTree Nov 2016 #9
Yeah, MI at least might as well already start counting. WI has. Barack_America Nov 2016 #10
WI starts counting on Thursday n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #16
Thank you for your positive comments flamingdem Nov 2016 #17
Harry Reid on the recounts, "Sure, why not?" Barack_America Nov 2016 #18
Clearly she never read the rules frazzled Nov 2016 #19

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
2. I think she sees this as a money-maker. She won't have big expenses
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:59 PM
Nov 2016

in PA with her "support" of the voter-initiated campaign, so she's hoping to end up with a big chunk of the funds raised for her "voter integrity" efforts -- which has always been part of the Green Party's work.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
5. Mmm hmm. And yet, instead of walking away with 6.5M, she wired 3.5M to WI.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:23 PM
Nov 2016

Pretty poor "money making" move, that.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
15. Sadly, another 500K is due WI, and MI's about to speak for another 1M.
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 12:03 AM
Nov 2016

Likely to be in the red if any PA recount takes hold.

Oddly enough, you all are missing the main benefit, access to 130,000 new small donors.

That's what Dems really should have prevented her getting.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
7. No one seems to know why she waited till the last minute to ask for
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:28 PM
Nov 2016

volunteers for the all important affidavits.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
4. So, you are aware Stein has been granted a hearing on Monday for a statewide recount?
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:21 PM
Nov 2016

And that she shelled out $3.5M to Wisconsin today?

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/elections/index.ssf/2016/11/6_things_to_know_about_pennsyl.html

Will you be disappointed when she files in MI tomorrow?

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
6. Being granted a hearing doesn't mean the judge will decide in her favor.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:27 PM
Nov 2016

From the article: "Under this provision, the petitioner must make legitimate claims of fraud or illegality that would definitely change the outcome, said Lawrence Tabas, the Republican Party's election law specialist."

How will Stein prove "legitimate claims of fraud or illegality" to the judge?

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
8. What do you care? She does or she doesn't. Meanwhile, she's spending people's money...
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:33 PM
Nov 2016

...on exactly what she said she would.

PA's system was designed to prevent a recount. I'm not going to fault Stein if their design works.

Yes, she doesn't have the resources or contacts to get 30,000 PA voters to send notarized affidavits in less than a week. Do you fault her for that, or do you fault the party who has those resources (and more) and yet said, "fuck it, we'll take a pass on election integrity"?

Or are you just angry that the Green Party has finally managed to be somewhat relevant? If so, I strongly argue that you have the Dems (once again) to blame for that. They left the door wide open, she just walked through.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
11. I fault her for leading people on to think that the whole state would be recounted,
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:52 PM
Nov 2016

and then limiting the number of precincts EVEN MORE by waiting till the last minute to ask for volunteers for the affidavits. She should have been collecting affidavits from the very beginning, at the same time as she was collecting money.

A lot of people gave money hoping that these recounts could flip the election. With the PA being so limited, this is even more unlikely to happen. It won't matter if WI and MI flip if PA doesn't.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
12. Three notarized affidavits x 9000 precincts was not going to happen.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:55 PM
Nov 2016

It was designed to be impossible.

Her backup, attainable strategy to file a lawsuit and target crucial precincts seems pretty strong to me.

Damn, were you this tough on the Dems's Election Day ground game?

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
13. The Dems were far more organized than she appears to be. But they couldn't
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:56 PM
Nov 2016

prepare for James Comey's two letter bombs launched into the final eleven days.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
10. Yeah, MI at least might as well already start counting. WI has.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:37 PM
Nov 2016

PA apparently, by law, has to give Trump a chance to protest the hearing before it can occur.

The law. What a PITA.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
18. Harry Reid on the recounts, "Sure, why not?"
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 12:15 AM
Nov 2016

My sentiments exactly. I don't see how one can feel otherwise and still claim to support little d democracy.

Though it's touching so many here are concerned whether others will get their money's worth.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
19. Clearly she never read the rules
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 12:27 AM
Nov 2016

For recounts in the various states for which she was soliciting recount money. It's called making it up as you go along.

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